OldFriends4Sale said:

OMG…………… OMG….


I never knew ANY of that as big a fan of all of them as I am..


I Heard about Prince’s bio and that it will make you loose a little respect for him):”

Prince bullying The Time was awful how could he do such a thing?

It’s sad cause some or well almost ALL of Prince’s protégées are known simply for a few song’s or known simply as a Prince band


Sheena Easton had a good album! I love it and a few hit song’s but she and Vanity are rembered more as Prince girls then there own identity


Sheila E Who I’m a big fan of love her work to death!

Some people just few her as a ‘’Prince Girl’’ To even though she worked with Ring Star and a bunch of others and I find that’s unfair to her as she is an amazing musician on her own!

But…. Now that The Time is making a new album maybe it will be AMAZING since there doing it all on there own I can’t wait for it:D


And Prince! i love you alot man But shame on U

As controlling as Prince was/is...all them owe him a lot. They might not have gone anywhere without his help and influence. I think he had a vision and that vision kept changing which is why there was instability and manipulation. His insecurity not only affected the careers of other but his own as well. They have all reached their peak...including my baby daddy prince.

errant said:

yeah- but most people have no idea about Prince doing all that. It is absolutely true that Prince hamstrung them from bigger success.

Also Prince may be more "known" than Jam and Lewis but don't bet on the money or hits part. You make a crap load of money being producer and writer for number one acts..

I agree he essentially put it all together, but the thread is why they weren't a bigger act...and the answer is Prince would not let them be bigger. Plain and simple.

PRINCE could have had a dynasty.
Himself
Andre (left)
Time (broke up)
Jam and Lewis could have been under Prince which would have brought over Cherrelle, Janet, ect.
Jesse bring over the Krash

Zannaloaf said:

or maybe they were just too corny for anyone to take them seriously. as i said, with Morris & Jerome's personalities overshadowing everything, they were a borderline novelty act.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I agree. He could have been the biggest artist and producer out there. He could have been a Clive Davis or Berry Gordy but nah...he let pride get in the way of good business.

DesireeNevermind said:

I agree, and I strongly believe that those 1980 protege believed in the vision Prince had, I don't think anyone of them disagrees which is why when Sheila E had the Family just about every one of them showed up, which is why the Family's new work shows respect to what Prince created and they were in talks with Prince about doing a song or 2 with them. I think it's why Jellybean is pissed at Prince for still being so controlling.

Sheila E was put on the outs when she disagreed with the direction of her 4th album. That's a little 2 far.

It was Prince control as well as his horrible management that caused those bands not to flourish. And they all would have.

The Family, maybe St Paul was to hasty in leaving, but the Family with that high quality of work should have been performing in Minneapolis & Paris back then.

Zannaloaf said:

True,

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis were big with Janet Jackson (when Janet:Control & Rhythm Nation dropped she was HUGE) whatever Janet touch went to the top... plus she was a Jackson

Control Rhythm Nation Janet & Velvet Rope were huge hits
plus they produced other acts as well, and they are respect and highly known in the music world/industry.

Your ending hit it on the head.
Most people didn't know the background to what was 'behind the music' and the Time was connected to Prince, but they were already standout as a band

Vanity 6 Nasty boy was very high on the RnB charts and with the right push and quality added they could have been much bigger. Sheila E was huge in the 80's too, her album got a lot of air play and every drummer I know studied her album

So they had what it took to go higher and they still could have been in the Prince camp, too me it's that whole vision that made it so interesting to begin with

Because they were an rnb band and labelled as such.

errant said:

Not at all, beside the music it was Jerome & Morris characters that helped make Purple Rain (which is why Prince tried to imitate it in Parade)

You must not be too familiar with the Time during their 'Time'
When you say corny what do you mean? Most people are familiar with the Time by the music, and in the music the PR characters don't show, there is a little play, but Jerome isn't a feature on the albums.

DesireeNevermind said:

Your right, he had the perfect team, Purple Dream Team: from his band, to the protege bands, Jill Jones, engineers Susan Rogers & David Z, the Italio trio team:R C & F He can complain after the fact but no one was blocking him as much as he was.

After Purple Rain Prince could have had a bigger world musically with him and the bands. Because these people really did believe in him and their place there.

As far I'm concerned, all the corny novelty acts are out there on the radio today...


THE TIME are the real deal - with or without PRINCE.


Altho', I have to admit, Morris & "The Touring Band" version of THE TIME are doing the rounds crankin' out the same 4 albums worth of material, but you gotta pay the bills, right?

THE "ORIGINAL" TIME will probably/possibly release their new album 2010, and sure, it won't sell truckloads like BEYONCE or RIHANNA, but it'll be in a differnet category all by it self.


1981 and 1982 - THE 'REAL' TIME

1984 - THE 'PART' TIME

1990 - THE 'REAL' TIME

2010 - THE 'REAL' TIME - fingers crossed.
[Edited 9/25/09 18:31pm]

I work in the music business and know how tough it is. Sellling half a million to a million albums is a big acheivement. Anything above that is a extraordinary, especially for a group that isn't a pure pop act with a plethora of radio singles.

nusouldownunder said:

I Have friend's thata lso work in music business not like on big labels or anything but yes going GOLD is a huge step, Going Platnum is when people's life's change usually...


Besides the Backstreet Boys & Nsync who i think we're just a huge pop Phenomena at the time and that's why the sold alot but....


Albums thats sell over 10 Million idc if people say you ''Sold Out'' or what you ahve to be a damn good artist to sell that much Thriller & Led Zeppelin IV Have both sold over twenty Million cause they are damn good artist's and people still sing the song's on the albums today and there still on many stations.




Sadly some band’s eat crap cause they sell a lot and they supposedly ‘’Sell Out’’ Metallica’s Black Album is a BIG one that comes to mind….


And I know some people say that Ice Cream Castles was a sell out album for The Time and although I think it’s a good album with a funny little skit with ‘’Chili Sauce’’

I Think What Time Is It? Was much better, The band had so much filler on ‘’Castles’’ That it drives me nuts sometimes ‘’What Time’’ has only six songs but there all full formation song’s while only half on Castles are….

Well they broke up after Purple Rain, the peak of their popularity. If they would have toured after that movie and put out another album they would have been huge. The same thing happened after Pandemonium. Jerk out was their biggest hit, Chocolate didn't do very good on the charts and they split up again.

All the members had success on their own, but as far as the actual bands success being greater, they just had bad timing

errant said:

many people would not agree with you at all. When they came out the R&B community was all over them. SO I think YOU might think they are corny, but not mainstream R&B folks circa 1980s

Huggiebear said:

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That is only part of it. I really think being primarily an RnB these guys were going to be limited in their appeal. Very few all male RnB bands crossed over to lastly success from the 80's and now you have no RnB band with major recording contracts.

Sadly in the end they were better off breaking up and working on separate majors.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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By corny he means entertaining because god knows bands are not suppose to be entertaining. They should all stand on the stage slump over their instruments not communicate with audience and stalk off.

At least that is what you see with a lot of Rock Acts.
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laurarichardson said:

lol I know

the performances in the 80's were top notch, to see Patti LaBelle or Madonna rolling on the floor at an award show, to see the 'famous' people in the audience cheering standing up and getting into the performances...

The Time was live

DesireeNevermind said:

YEAH THAT GOOD FOR JANET!

I wanted to add that they lost some credibility when word began to get out that Prince played all the instruments on the albums. There were a number of bands that had come out before The Time, that hadn't played the material on their albums and showed up live stinking the place up. In R&B people were getting sick of that (intro Run-DMC and the keeping it real, no stage outfits B-boy era). The odd thing is The Time were the reverse of the stereotype and were better live than the records. Not only did they have the ability to write and play on the records, they probably could have delivered a stronger finished product than what Prince delivered. But once the word got out, fairly or not the label stuck and they had a bit of a Milli Vinilli type image by the late 80's. Jimmy, Terry and Jesse all re-established themselves and no one doubted their ability as musicians. But Morris's image to this day has never recovered from that.

funksterr said:

um- in what world? No one I know EVER thought that was an issue. And I knew a WHOLE lotta people who love The Time. As a matter of fact most never believed that anyway. Even tho it was true. I think they had the ball rolling and Prince essentially took the ball and went home. Hard to recover an upward trend.

Is Prince the reason why the PR version of Jungle Love wasn't a single or on Ice Cream Castles? It is better than the album version, at least I think so.

Zannaloaf said:

It was an issue and still is for some out there. I'm not talking the little kids who were introduced to the band with 'Purple Rain', I'm talking the young adults who were the bands base before 'The Bird". That's why 'Corporate World' didn't come out. The band didn't want to look 'fake' anymore. But if you look at things, even now, they are still under the purple thumb, with nearly nothing of note released as The Time, without Prince being all over it.

funksterr said:

I was college age when they dropped C-O-O-L. So I'm no teen at PR. I think you must have friends who are WAY into stuff like this than most people are. Most people couldn't tell you who wrote the hits of their favorite band. I KNEW it was Prince penning most of the material, I could hear him singing all over it from record one. But that really didn't make me like the band any less. Nor any of my friends I schooled on the subject.
[Edited 10/7/09 15:12pm]

Zannaloaf said:

I didn't mean the PR kids comment at you directly. As far as The Time goes, they had their own following independent of Prince. You as a Prince fan first, could spot him on their records, but generally before Purple Rain, people did not. It was funny because people would tell me they did not like Prince, but then I'd find out they were deep into The Time. It's the way it was. Later once it came out that Prince was the band, they lost respect with their base.