People always talk shit about Larry, but he's actually a pretty cool guy, I just don't understand. Someone please explain why people put Larry below others.

Ok, now that I got that out of the way, the reason why people have no love for LG is because he is a jehova witness who brought Prince into their fold . Many of us feel that his music has went downhill BIG TIME as a result of this. that is why we don't like him.

http://prince.org/msg/5/207552

http://prince.org/msg/5/304644

http://prince.org/msg/7/9172

http://prince.org/msg/5/47431?pr

you guys are annoying



be nice to the newbie

But Larry is an amazing preson and people don't realize that..

I'm sure he is.

Back in the days I had the plasure to interact with Mr. Graham for a few minutes, he's probably one of the nicest persons I ever met in my entire life.

Some people blame on Mr. Graham the whole JW conversion thing, maybe they think Prince is retarded and incapable to make his own decisions; they're reasoning like kids in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents...

Dewrede said:

I am being nice, I posted the links where she could read all about, didn't I?

NpgSoldier said:

Based on what happened, it appears that Prince IS retarded and incapable of making his own decisions Now he is brainwashed.

NpgSoldier said:

I agree..maybe Prince is just getting wiser and wants to make different choices for himself..
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probably cuz he's a wad, tool, leech, religion peddler, boring, and enabler.

Other than that he aiight.

DesireeNevermind said:

And you know this because you've gotten to know him? Or because you are assumptuous and judgemental?

kenlacam said:

Wait, and what REALLY happened?

I didn't realize Larry was hated here.
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fambam93 said:

why do you care? are you some personal friend, lover, mother, sister, brother, wifey, business partner or something?

Actually, if you want to blame someone for the JW stuff, go after Sinbad, he's the one who got Larry!

Larry is a VERY nice guy in person and you can't deny his talent. Prince is a big boy who can make his own decisions. Some of us don't like how this has affected his music, but I'd rather him be at peace with himself (well, as much as is possible with him anyway...) than being whatever we want him to be.

The only lyrical change that I can't just think "oh, whatever..." to, is The Cross. Prince needs his ass checked on that one!

fambam93 said:

so why don't you do this:

Instead of posting a thread on why does everybody hate LG, why don't you start a thread of all his endearing qualities that you are personally familiar with. Start a Larry Graham appreciation thread. When you put LG and hate in the same sentence you are bound to get some or commentary or some random diss comment like mine. you're just setting it up to not go very well or last very long.

What I hate is that he ever connected up with P and NOT for P's sakes. But for his own sake. MANY people who ONLY know him from P have no idea who Larry was BEFORE Prince. But by P fans. he's been made out to be an escape goat in the highest order. Larry has never made or forced P do anything that P didn't want to do. Larry never held a gun up to P's skull. P was a grown man when he first got with Larry. P doesn't do anything that he truly does not want to do. Many people can meet others who are into certain things but that doesn't mean that you have to jump on board with it. If I met a musical hero of mine and he was into a certain religion and I had no interest in it, I wouldn't join. Just because fans don't like the direction P went in, at least give P the respect that he deserves being a grown ass man and that he made his OWN decisions. That's why I hate Larry even connected up with P in the first place. Now as for Larry, he's one of the important bassists to ever play funk and laid the groundwork for a certain style of playing bass. And his solo work with Graham Central Station is hella note worthy. Let alone his contribution when he was with Sly. All of THESE things should be what's known of Larry and what's given credit to him. Larry is not some wizard who hypnotized poor lil' Prince who has no mind of his own.
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DesireeNevermind said:

Des, she's a young girl who's done some bible study with Larry and has met Prince, she posted a thread about it earlier.

I cautioned her on revealing too much about this friendship here, the org isn't exactly Prince's favorite website! It might also make them wonder what her motives really are, why the need for attention, etc..

I understand it's exciting for someone her age and she wants to spread the word about them being nice, normal people. But, fambam93, some things are meant to be kept private, as hard as it might be to keep that way!

blackguitaristz said:

That's a great posts BGZ but i think there's an argument for whether P was especially vulnerable when LG started preaching to him. I mean the cats been through a lot and you could maybe argue that LG took advantage of that. I mean what are the main ways any of us are introduced to religion (any faith)? We are either born into it, marry into it, or we have some dark moments/occurrences in our lives in which we need soul searching and answers. I don't think anybody discounts LG's musical talent but his connection with P is overshadowed by the whole JW thing. Folk not knowing who he was before he hooked up with P is just as much his fault as Prince's. It seems that Sly got a bit of a rebirth when he hooked up with Jesse but I didn't see that happening with the P and LG connection.

Serena said:

OIC. well, good thing for her to have met Prince and Larry.

blackguitaristz said:

So many people though don't know anything about LG being an icon for his GCS days or his bass talent and influence on other artists. I know if I mention him, people either say he's "that dude that got P to join a cult" or "that dude that sang 1 in a million". Quite sad acutally.
I mean I'm sure he tried to revive his name a lil bit with the '03 Greatest Hits release but the JW thing sure does overshadow his relationship with P and his career IMO- he's just another bandmate so to speak. Maybe that's what happens to you when you work with P.
As for him not being a wizard who hypnotized Princey...well....he's not harry potter but he might have been a bit of an undercover sith lord.

DesireeNevermind said:

friend

fambam93 said:

I heard. That's nice. Tread softly around these parts young padawan.

blackguitaristz said:

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I saw your post over in the "Prince: Music and More" section. You are very lucky to have met, not one, but two stars such as Prince and Larry Graham. As for Larry Graham, I absolutely love his music as a solo artist and as part of Graham Central Station and have many of his records. And from what I've seen of his television appearances and interviews, he does seem to be a very nice guy.

I saw in the other thread that you have been going to church with both Prince and Larry. That's all fine and good too because it's good to be exposed to different religions and different types of people. I don't know if you are a Jehovah's Witness already, but if you aren't, I do suggest that you be careful and not let anyone, including Larry or Prince, convince you into converting to that religion if you don't agree with particular parts of it or even question different parts of it. Definately explore other religions before you make your mind up. I know you're only 15 and people your age are very impressionable. But even as a 15 year old, you are still entitled to your own beliefs and no one should try to pressure you into another religion if you don't feel like it's for you. Who knows, maybe it is for you, but if it's not, don't be afraid to tell them it's not and if they are really you're true friend, they will understand and not even try to question your answer or debate it. If they are your true friend, they will also continue to come around you even if you don't convert. I'm only saying this because, out of all religions, Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door which I see as totally disrespectful to people who aren't of their religion because if they wanted to be a Jehovah's Witness, they would seek them out. All I'm saying is be careful and maybe even test their friendship to see if they are really your friend or simply someone trying to convert you.

Anyway, I saw you are a sax player. Keep that up and good luck with it. And as for you meeting both Prince and Larry Graham, I'm jealous.

vainandy said:

I'm just a straight up Christian, I've been to many different churches. I believe in everything that they talk about there...and they only go door to door because they believe that there will be an "everlasting now" once everybody knows of God and has the choice to believe in God..they want to inform, not convert..just a heads up

Timmy84 said:

He was pretty hated here in the early part of this decade. One of our regulars from those days had even an avatar that portrayed Larry Graham as Osama Bin Laden.

novabrkr said:

What?! Damn...