Rogue588 said:[quote]GaryMF said:[quote]
Yes, but they weren't the ones pimping their wares on a show hosted by someone whose lifestyle he condemned. As has been said, that's hypocritical.




Like when people spend a lot of time on a Prince site when they have nothing nice to say about him. Ellen seems to love him.
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funkteer said:[quote]Rogue588 said:[quote]

GaryMF said:

funkateer does the man condemn homosexuals for a fact? The meetings I have been to at Kingdom Hall say that God hates all kinda of fornication. That would include what Mani is most likely doing with Eric. If Oprah, Halle Berry and Penelope Cruz, all open about having lovers they are not married to, are welcomed at Prince's table then why shouldn't Ellen and Perez Hilton. The meeting I have been to at Kingdom Hall on fornication did not single out homosexuals from all other fornicators. They do not come across to me as hypocritical. I am not a Baptized Witness so I am not an expert by any means.

dollwoman said:[quote]funkteer said:[quote]

Rogue588 said:

Are you telling me he will be celibate forever unless he gets married again?

gypsyfire said:

I have no idea what he will choose to do. But if a Baptized member is an open fornicator they are disfellowshipped. Once disfellowshiped all other witnesses are not to mingle with that former member any longer. Like it would not be condoned for Larry Graham to hang out with Prince if Prince was disfellowshipped. I have no idea exactly what would be said by the elders of the congregation to Larry about this. Unless Mani divorced Prince because of adultory her divorcing him is grounds for disfellowship. Her sleeping with Eric is also grounds for disfellowship. She may have just chose to leave on her own. But, if he and Bria start shaking up and are open about it they will no longer be thought of as Witnesses in good standing. All fornication is thought to be condemned by God: there are no special circumstances given to horney middle aged men!

funkteer said:

If prince didn't treat his women like dirt she would have more respect for him.

dollwoman said:[quote]

gypsyfire said:

Unless that man is Prince and gives alot of money to the organization. Lets be real...the JWs, like many religious groups, don't always practice what they preach. that whole speil about disfellowed members not being able to hang out with other members still active is a bunch of bunk. I know folks who've been disfellowed and they still hang out members and nobody says squat.As a disfellowed member you are merely not welcome at the hall until you have repented or wuteva. Sometimes ur not even disfellowed but rather put on some type of weird ass probation. This is the problem i have with the JWs. Too much like the Catholics. All this do as i say not as i do bullshit and rules and rituals that are based on old testament hebrew practices rather than new testament Jesus beatitudes.

Prince cheated on Mani with Tamar and Mani is not a JW anymore and Eric sure the fuck aint a JW. She didn't get kicked out of the faith and neither did/has Prince. As for the bible and fornicating it seems this has more to do with lust and lasciviousness and less to do with two people who love each other having sex without being legally married. I would say a great deal of people on this planet came to be b/c somebody got to fornicating. Then what if you marry after the fornicating? I don't think God is judging folk that dang harshly cuz he did let ole Solomon marry all them different chicas who all had their own faiths. He also said be fruitful and multiply to a couple who were not formerly married or even formerly introduced to each other when u think about it. Ima just sayin'
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funkteer said:

I don't know, did those people put Prince on blast saying he's morally reprehensible and goes against all laws of God and man? Did those people demand he apologize for his lifestyle? If so, then, yeah...that's hypocritical.

Someone who doesn't agree with you or is a fan who's been displeased since tRC (or sooner) and engages in "constructive" criticism on a Prince site is not hypocritical - despite the enablers on this site's desire to label them as such.

DesireeNevermind said:[quote]

dollwoman said:

Gosh I have been a Prince fan/follower since 1979..I am really up to date; however, I have never heard a confirmation that Prince slept with Tamar.. (BTW, I am not a newbie, I stopped frequenting this site about 2 years ago (only a lurker) and forgot my username and passcode; so I had to create a new.. Had to tell before the blasts started...
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DesireeNevermind said:[quote]

dollwoman said:

I really really true love you.

salaciousV said:

where's that "blushing" emoticon.

O.K. DesireeNevermind you made some scarey points that I didn't want to hear. I was raised a Catholic in the state of Massachusetts. I am well aware that the Kennedy Family could all but piss on the alter and would still be in good standing. As I said I am not Baptized a J.W. but I like the free bible study since after 12 years of Catholic School still could not have told you what book came after Genesis. I wondered what happened with Mani the big fan. I know that Prince gave her a little dig in"Future Baby Mama" when he said "cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door"! But I am very curious why she left him. Elixer also kind of was a red flag also. She's a J.W. and she's in a backless, short dress and sings a song that in my opinion is just as much about masturbation as Darling Nikki; The only thing is she doesn't sing the word masturbate. But what else could it be about? Is it about her admirable feminine hygiene habits? Am I suppose to believe that she fell to her knees because she failed to use a bath mat? Is she calling out here I come to the taxi driver waiting out front so he won't drive away? As Cindy Lauper said "Money Changes Everything".

DesireeNevermind said:[quote]

dollwoman said:

"As for the bible and fornicating it seems this has more to do with lust and lasciviousness and less to do with two people who love each other having sex without being legally married. I would say a great deal of people on this planet came to be b/c somebody got to fornicating. Then what if you marry after the fornicating? I don't think God is judging folk that dang harshly cuz he did let ole Solomon marry all them different chicas who all had their own faiths. He also said be fruitful and multiply to a couple who were not formerly married or even formerly introduced to each other when u think about it. Ima just sayin' "

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The views on religion on this board are twisted as hell? People should not run around at all when they are not married but all men have sinned and all sin is equal. Man is not suppose to judge another mans actions as God does the judging when you meet your maker. In addition, all who have sinned can repent at anytime. We all fall but we can all get back up.

JW and Catholics are not religions they are denominations and they have made up their own rules which you really don’t have to follow if you are a Christian. Repent in your heart for your behavior and that is enough.

As far a P running around with Tamar how the hell do you know that. What a statement to make.

GaryMF said:

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Gee another day with another orger who is arrogant enough to think that because he has the free time to read the Bible in the original language he is smarter than all of the theologians who have written about these topics many times.

When I talk about spilling the seeds, I am aware that the story came from Genesis and I do not interpret it to be only about masturbation. I am not Catholic so I do not care one bit about what they think. I and many others interpret it to mean no masturbation, no sex without procreation being the purpose, and no sex with same sex or animals.
Spilling the seeds means your wasting the life force god gave you. You are not using it to procreatate or enjoy with your spouse which should be of the opposite sex.

This was made plain to me growing up and going to bible study. I have not been to bible study in over 20 years but I certainly remember this discussion Now you can interpret it any why you want to and you can read both versions of the Ten Commandments all day but it will not change the views of most Christians about the most basic creed in the bible concerning sex outside of marriage and same sex, sex with animals or wasting your wad.

I only mentioned the seafood part because if you are not Jewish not eating seafood does not pertain to you as a Christian so why would a Christian follow that law.

Try spending less time chopping people down.

laurarichardson said:

I wouldn't have said P cheated with Tam if he didn't. How I know is not anybody's buisness really and I aint the only who knows either. I call JW and Catholics religions because as you just stated "they have made up their own rules" which pretty much sounds like a religion to me especially since I don't recall Jesus telling anybody to set up churches in his honor or name and have graven images of him at any altars (Catholics not JW's do this to my knowledge).

The views on religion on this board are twisted as hell? Are you making a statement or asking a question? i dont think anybody, in this thread anyway, has said anything twisted. Most just have differing opinions regarding faith and whatever practices go with it. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

With that said, I disagree with your assertion that sex outside of marriage is sinful or wrong in God's eyes and that it should only be done in procreation. I think there were other circumstances at play that don't necessarily apply across the board. Sex doesn't yield an offspring every single time. If ur having sex and no pregnancy results were you doing it in vain and therefore sinning? What if you are elderly? Do you stop having sex just cuz you can no longer procreate or said procreating would yield offspring with birth defects like we find in older men and women? What if a woman is pregnant but unmarried? Should she not continue to have sex with her baby's father? Is her baby a sin even though she had sex with the intent of procreating as God wishes (your argument).

What marriage you talking about? There are two kinds...those recognized by religious institutions and those recognized by the State? Whose marriage law holds more weight? God's or Man's? What about polygamy? Polygamy is okay but two people who love each other and have sex without saying "i do" is not okay? And hell no I don't believe that all sin is equal and there are plenty of religious leaders who dont believe that either. You can't tell me that all sin is equal and therefore you would impose the same punishment on someone who murdered versus someone who fell out of love with their spouse and had an affair! Now that's twisted.

No damage tho. Org thoughts aren't about to change the world

DesireeNevermind said:

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“I wouldn't have said P cheated with Tam if he didn't. How I know is not anybody's buisness really and I aint the only who knows either. I call JW and Catholics religions because as you just stated "they have made up their own rules" which pretty much sounds like a religion to me especially since I don't recall Jesus telling anybody to set up churches in his honor or name and have graven images of him at any altars (Catholics not JW's do this to my knowledge). “

Okay you know but I think you know that you have no why of proving it so why say it.
JW and Catholics are denominations not religions and the disciplines of Jesus were told to go out a spread Christianity thru the fellowship of church. Unfortunately, to get people from other religions to take a remote interest in Christianity many rituals and beliefs were added as the disciples of Christ converted people across the world.
So all the graven images and rituals of the Catholic church really come from other pagan religions.



“The views on religion on this board are twisted as hell? Are you making a statement or asking a question? i dont think anybody, in this thread anyway, has said anything twisted. Most just have differing opinions regarding faith and whatever practices go with it. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. “


It is a statement because I honestly, don’t know where people are getting some of this stuff.


“With that said, I disagree with your assertion that sex outside of marriage is sinful or wrong in God's eyes and that it should only be done in procreation. I think there were other circumstances at play that don't necessarily apply across the board. Sex doesn't yield an offspring every single time. If ur having sex and no pregnancy results were you doing it in vain and therefore sinning? What if you are elderly? Do you stop having sex just cuz you can no longer procreate or said procreating would yield offspring with birth defects like we find in older men and women? What if a woman is pregnant but unmarried? Should she not continue to have sex with her baby's father? Is her baby a sin even though she had sex with the intent of procreating as God wishes (your argument).

What marriage you talking about? There are two kinds...those recognized by religious institutions and those recognized by the State? Whose marriage law holds more weight? God's or Man's? What about polygamy? Polygamy is okay but two people who love each other and have sex without saying "i do" is not okay? And hell no I don't believe that all sin is equal and there are plenty of religious leaders who dont believe that either. You can't tell me that all sin is equal and therefore you would impose the same punishment on someone who murdered versus someone who fell out of love with their spouse and had an affair! Now that's twisted. “


We have to agree to disagree because all Christian denomination believe you should not have sex outside of marriage. If you can no longer procreate you can still have sex just with your spouse and not anyone else. “Is her baby a sin even though she had sex with the intent of procreating as God wishes (your argument). “

She was not married so she should not have had sex in the first place. It is not my argument this is Christianity. I did not make this up and neither did anyone else walking around today. No marriage no sex this is why I said that the ideas about Christianity on this board are way out of sync with the actual tenets of Christianity.

Do I think it is possible for people to live this way yes. Is it hard of course but you have to respect people’s freedom to worship and live as they choose

Laura:

I cant'prove the stars shine 24/7 but I can say it can't I? Why not say that Prince was an adulterer when he was. Other people have said it before me so the door was opened and I stepped in. Kinda like this whole thread.

Jesus did not say go spread Chrisitianity...he said spread the word of God. Jesus was a Jew and those who believe he is son of God are referred to as Christians. Now he did say he would build his Church In the book of Mathew so i will meet you half way on this. Although I would hardly call all Christians members of the same church as that church would be pretty fucked up to include child molesting priests (the Catholic scandal), drug addicted pastors ( Haggart) and reverends who endorse a so called holy war (Hagee). Most Christian religions preach a lot of things but don't always live up to them. there is such a thing as leading by example that many people overlook when it suits them.


Yeah its hard to live by certain rules which is why we should always question them to begin with. If it was a rule to jump in front of a speeding train in the name of the Lord would you do it? Or would you question where that rule came from and why it exist? Is it an order from the Lord or some priest/reverend/Iman's misinterpretation of a bible verse? just using as an example, im not saying the bible preaches jumping in front of speeding trains.

I wouldn't get so caught up in todays altered Bible as its missing quite a few Gospels and what remains can be subject to interpretation. for instance, where in the bible does it say that sex before marriage is a sin? Pay attention here, I said sex before marriage. Sex outside of marriage has been interpreted as adultery and therefore sinful but nowhere that I can think of does the bible condemn two people having sex before they get married which is what I was alluding to earlier and which a lot of people do.

As for the spilling of the seed. What about men and wet dreams? They can't control that so how is it a sin?

dollwoman said:[quote]O.K. DesireeNevermind you made some scarey points that I didn't want to hear. I was raised a Catholic in the state of Massachusetts. I am well aware that the Kennedy Family could all but piss on the alter and would still be in good standing. As I said I am not Baptized a J.W. but I like the free bible study since after 12 years of Catholic School still could not have told you what book came after Genesis. I wondered what happened with Mani the big fan. I know that Prince gave her a little dig in"Future Baby Mama" when he said "cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door"! But I am very curious why she left him. Elixer also kind of was a red flag also. She's a J.W. and she's in a backless, short dress and sings a song that in my opinion is just as much about masturbation as Darling Nikki; The only thing is she doesn't sing the word masturbate. But what else could it be about? Is it about her admirable feminine hygiene habits? Am I suppose to believe that she fell to her knees because she failed to use a bath mat? Is she calling out here I come to the taxi driver waiting out front so he won't drive away? As Cindy Lauper said "Money Changes Everything".[/quote]


Ok that was too funny.

I don't wanna scare anybody but Mani allegedly makes this comment about Prince and we're all talking about it then it turns into a discussion on religion and where Princey fits in regarding the dos and don'ts. Mani would have never had IMO if Prince wasn't stirring up controversy by claiming to be celebate, allegedly addressing homosexuality and cleaning up his lyrics while writing suggestive lyrics for his fem proteges.

dollwoman said:[quote]funkteer said:[quote]

Rogue588 said:

I quoted Rogue. I do not believe for a minute that Prince hates homosexuals.

laurarichardson said:

here's your fortune framed in GOLD

funkteer said:

Hate's a strong word. Nowhere in my post did I say that Prince hates homosexuals.

Rogue588 said:

You said he condemns them. Pardon me.

Funny how this thread weaves, twists and turns....

Interesting that after I put in my $.02...she deleted her post.

stanleylieber said:

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wonder505 said:

Good 1! It does seem sort "holier than thou" of Mani to talk about hypocrisy when she set her sights on a very married man.

Nobody is perfect... When you live in glass house...

laurarichardson said:

Talk about ARROGANCE!!!! Just becuase YOU and your fellow bible students interperted it that way 20 years.... you assume "MOST CHRISTIANS" agree with you. WOW! Talk about narrow minded!!!



Again, the seafood thing has to do with the fact that someone else, not you, was quoting Leviticas as the basis for saying being gay is wrong. My point was that person i picking and choosing verses from Levitius to defend their beliefs.

He shouldn't have to go through the rest of his life without enjoying the pleasures of being with a woman,unless he's going to lock himself up in a cave in Antarctica (I think I spelled that wrong) somewhere
He keeps surrounding himself with these women,and can't do anything with them.

Sex is good for your health.

DesireeNevermind said:[quote]

dollwoman said:

I guess I get scared when I think that I could be possibley joining a religion as hypocritical as the one I was brought up in. Strangely enough one of the things that first attracted me to Prince was his mental tug of war between sex and God. I thought it was funny that someone sang about f@#king the taste out of your mouth one moment and then sang the praises of God a few lines later. Prince has always wanted to eat his women and have his God too. I guess the tug of war still continues. The woman that I study the Bible with came to my house today. I actually said something about it to her. I said that I was a bit concerned that the rules were different for him. Anyway I still am not believing he is a big homophobe. Homophobes are people that don't believe that gays should have any of the rights the rest of us do. Like they should not be allowed to work around children and that it should be O.K. to deny them housing. Homophobes smile when they hear about a gay person being beaten up for being gay. Prince may be a hypocrit sometimes ( and so am I for that matter - hindsight is 20/20) but I refuse to believe he is a homophobe.

DesireeNevermind said:

all your posts