laurarichardson said:

I'm sayin'!

catpark said:

Ooooh LAWD , this thread!

Copycat said:

Actually YHWH the creator doesn't support these either...lolol. There is no way to "finesse" that...

Linn4days said:

So YHWH is against interracial marriage?!?

You do know this is a Prince site, right?

I believe both his marriages have been interracial.
He's also divorced twice.

Oh, and he sings songs about licking women ('Elixer') he isn't married to, who are also of another race.

Does YHWH know you're here?

Linn4days said:

there is no god. there is no way to finesse that either, but people are still put to death every day as a result of disagreements about what "god" wants us to do with our lives.

i attended an outdoor prince concert in 1997. at one point during the show, the moon came up behind the audience. prince directed our attention at the moon and said, "if you can't make something like that, then you must obey" or something along those lines.

uh huh.

most depressing thread ever.

Some of y'all are scary.

i can't believe in 2009 people still believe in a ridiculous fictional god.

i bet I could write a book right now about how awesome me and my friends are, and in 2000 years people would worship me as a god. i mean, dude who invented scientology did it less than 50 years ago and he's already got a bunch of crazy fools believing his shtick and giving his organisation their money.

not intending to dis religious folk here, but the "NEWSFLASH: GOD SAYS YOU'RE WRONG" argument doesn't work for me because i don't believe in god. on the other hand, it seems like there is quite a gap between the lifestyle advocated by jesus in the bible and what one can usually observe about the kind of person who comes up and preaches to you. of course no one is perfect, and people who "witness" frequently really don't like to hear about their own faults, but, if the bra fits...

just because god commands you to do something doesn't mean it's not bigotry.
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I am really clueless, but will someone please take the time to fill me in. hasn't Mani remained mute about their relationship up until now? I have been very curious why she left him when she was the one to seek him out in the first place. Did she ever hint at why she left him? I guess she is not a J.W. anymore.

Militant said:

i can't believe in 2009 that you generalize everyone who believes in a God and expect everyone to perceive the world the way you do. I believe in God but I do not believe in religion and I don't like when people use religion to be negative towards another. i don't discriminate against those who apart of a religion only those to use it to hurt others. I DO know people who belong to a church and are the coolest people around.

wonder505 said:

i agree. even though it seems that someone who pays credence to the bible would agree with what it says and try to live their lives accordingly, if you've been alive for ten minutes you'll realize that this is not often the case. a person's private beliefs only become my business when they are brought up in conversation.

at the same time, when a person's beliefs are well known, and those beliefs obviously seem to be informing their behavior, i think it's fair game to mention it.

wonder505 said:

i'm not generalizing, i'm calling it how I see it.

there is no god. it's nothing more than an excuse for as-yet unsolved mysteries of science, and with each day of new scientific discoveries the entire concept of it becomes more and more redundant. basically, by believing in a god, you are discounting the theory of evolution and claiming to be more intelligent than people that were smarter than most of the people on this board combined.

living your life in any way shape or form by a ridiculous FICTIONAL book that even if it had credence, would still not have any relevance to modern society is completely moronic.
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Militant said:

i lot of things are moronic, but we live in civilization. no doubt we all indulge in a lot of ignorant behavior in our lives. i know ignorant thoughts persist in my own head.

you can swing your arm all you want so long as it doesn't connect with my nose.

Militant said:

So basically you believe in the God of Science whether proven or unproven? I mean come on...you can't have it both ways - either you believe there is a purpose behind existence or there isn't. Why hide behind theories then ridicule people who believe in a theory different from yours? You mention as yet unsolved mysteries, wouldn't God fit into that category? No disrespect but i have yet to meet an athiest who can come up with an explanation of how and why this wonderous universe and all within it and possibley beyond it came to be. That whole something from nothing theory don't hold a drop of water. HOw does believing in God result in one claiming to be more intelligent than people that were smarter than org members? What does that even mean?

I think one can believe in God and Evolution (which IS a theory btw). Plus there are plenty of scientist who believe in God or some higher power and plenty people who believe that God or some higher power/advanced entity is the ultimate scientist. Look at all these people who believe in extraterestrials? The concept of God could fit into that category also. I think ur too caught up in biblical rituals to fully appreciate the concept of God/a higher creative being. You also have to consider that the bible you may be aware of today has not always been in that form, i.e. gospels removed, language changed etc. I just wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

There are billions of people on this planet and for thousands upon thousands of years many if not most of them have believed in a God or Gods and have expressed that belief in a multitude of ways and often those ways overlap which lends one to believe in a once global culture - hinted to in the bible. I wouldn't dare discount them as they are the reason we as a human race are still here. If people didn't believe in a higher power, purpose, and meaning to existence and a creative force behind that existence then our species would have never made it past the first breeding. And there's another thing, both athiest and believers in creationism think there was a first female and a first male. Both also believe that sea life and dinsour life came before mankind. Me thinks these belief systems are two sides of the same coin. and a buck fiddy!

DesireeNevermind said:

your argument is philosophically suspect but good on you for standing up for what you believe in.

remember this started because of a person upthread preaching fire and brimstone. religion was brought to the table so religion was discussed.

GaryMF said:

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No, you are not taking the legal aspect of gay marriage into account at all.
In addtion,I am not agaisnt it but I realize that people have a right to their opinions which are based on the laws of this nation.

stanleylieber said:

well i don't think its our place to preach fire and brimstone beyond our realm of existence as man can only speak to the laws he creates not any laws that make exist on a supernatural level.

And btw philosophy is a general understanding of many basic beliefs and concepts, with that said...anyone's philosophy is neither suspect nor trustworthy.

DesireeNevermind said:

what i meant was that if you presented your argument to a jesuit they would rip it to shreds.

and they're on your side.
[Edited 4/27/09 13:12pm]

stanleylieber said:

OIC. Well I don't know. All priests are not the same. Some are open to discussions and some are not, much like athiests. IMHO, both sides should consider or rather realize that its all part of one grand puzzle. none of us have the absolute pieces/answers and therefore we should have some measure of respect and understanding on both sides whether we agree in the long run or not. I will now proceed to kicking Mani's ass for being a LOL

laurarichardson said:

yes... i am totally taking the legal aspect into account.

The bottom line is, laws forbidding either interracial or gay marriage or both discriminatory. BY DEFINITION, they give rights to one group (white heteros) but not others.

And yes, of course people are entitled to their opinions. It doesn't mean these opinions are not discriminatory, prejudiced, or bigoted. Case in point, people are still entitled to an opinion that all Black people are stupid, or that Asians should be put in interment camps, whatever. These opinions are still bigoted and prejudiced.

Linn4days said:

Who the **** do you think you are to speak for a deity/God???? Especially one you claim to believe in???

There are many people who believe in this same deity/God and would not agree with your statement.

sorry Y'all but this is thread needs a laugh!!!

but: sean penn -> prince

stanleylieber said:

militant said:

Four simple little words that invalidate all the subsequent, deluded religious nonsense that pollutes human thought.
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Dsoul said:

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How arrogant can you be to think that your opinion invalidates millions of other people's belief.

GaryMF said:

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He is not speaking a deity. Some of you biblical scholars might not know this but if you read the bible many times men are admonished for spilling the seeds.
The bible speaks of sexual relations for procreation purposes. If you not suppose to even have sex unless your married or spill the seeds why on god's green earth would any one think that homosexuality would be okay.

If your not a Christian then I would not worry about but it, don't keep screaming that nothing in the bible disapproves of homosexuality.
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laurarichardson said:

Billions actually. Would sure save a lot of time wasted on baseless ramblings, theres only 24 hours in a day.

laurarichardson said:

that's sort of the definition of the abrahamic religions though. part of the reason the hebrews and later the christian cults were so unpopular with their contemporaries is that they tried to proscribe acknowledging the other so-called gods. "there is only one god," etc. pretty arrogant, right.

laurarichardson said:

There's a LOT of people on here like that. Right?

Anyways...how 'bout that Manuela?