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PrintableDesire2006 said: yet, how come when God created the first human couple, he created ADAM & EVE, not ADAM & STEVE????? If God had intended for gay relationships 2 populate the earth then he would have created 2 males or 2 females 2 start with, but he didnt, he created a MAN AND A WOMAN!!!!!
Also, in various other passages of the Bible there are quite extensive lists of certain types of people who will not b wanted in Gods new earthly Kingdom, which is soon 2 come, and homosexuals(whether male or female) are included with other such types as fornicators, idolators, thieves, rapists, murderers, drunkards, the list goes on!!!!! also people who don't obey their parents. So i guess we're all doomed, eh? One nice thing about JW, the "soon 2 come" part sounds soooo like Prince  | |
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laurarichardson said: meltedman said: I think what Mani is doing is great...Prince is a blatant homophobe who needs to be called out once and for all. You have Perez Hilton and now Ellen praising him...but do you think either one would be welcome at HIS dinner table? Not in a million years. Prince preaches to them how being gay is EVIL, that is why he reads the bible to them. I am happy Mani came out about this and is letting people know that he is an extremely flawed individual instead of him always looking golden in the public eye.
Manuela...Hats off to you my dear! It is about time somebody came forward! ----- You don’t know P from Adam and you can’t go by what you read in the media. I don’t know to many homophobes who employ gay people on a regular basis, and associate with them in social gatherings. In addition, he works in the music industry it would be impossible for him to work if he hated homosexuals. I think he may have been misquoted in the article because everybody has as an agenda now a days which much more important than being honest. You also have no idea what goes on a P’s bible study you can certainly dislike a person’s behavior without hating the person which is what any true Christian would be glad to tell you but like a lot of people you don’t focus on real ordinary Christian people just the extremist nut cakes you see on some television program. I also think you need to rethink your praise of Mani who ran around with a married man is happy to live off of his money. also- Prince ran around while married! oops- do we not mention that? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: kyla said: Doc Funkenberry Prince just taped with Tavis Smiley on way to Ellen. more on http://www.docfb.com spread the word47 minutes ago · Comment
· Manuela Testolini at 07:49 on 23 April i hope she asks him how he feels about gay marriage. something tells me he won't be as pointed as Miss California Manuela puts her 2c in on facebook as funny as that sounds...why does she even care? Prince left the garage and Eric parking there now. close the door already.  DAMN Desiree I have 2 borrow that line | |
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pennylover said: DesireeNevermind said: as funny as that sounds...why does she even care? Prince left the garage and Eric parking there now. close the door already. DAMN Desiree I have 2 borrow that line  | |
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Zannaloaf said: laurarichardson said: ----- You don’t know P from Adam and you can’t go by what you read in the media. I don’t know to many homophobes who employ gay people on a regular basis, and associate with them in social gatherings. In addition, he works in the music industry it would be impossible for him to work if he hated homosexuals. I think he may have been misquoted in the article because everybody has as an agenda now a days which much more important than being honest. You also have no idea what goes on a P’s bible study you can certainly dislike a person’s behavior without hating the person which is what any true Christian would be glad to tell you but like a lot of people you don’t focus on real ordinary Christian people just the extremist nut cakes you see on some television program. I also think you need to rethink your praise of Mani who ran around with a married man is happy to live off of his money. also- Prince ran around while married! oops- do we not mention that? ---- No oh smart one he was praising Mani I told him why he should not be singing her praises. Had he been praising Prince I would have mentioned that he was married. Anyone with a lick of sense knows P is a dog he tells you so in his own music. | |
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laurarichardson said: Zannaloaf said: also- Prince ran around while married! oops- do we not mention that? ---- No oh smart one he was praising Mani I told him why he should not be singing her praises. Had he been praising Prince I would have mentioned that he was married. Anyone with a lick of sense knows P is a dog he tells you so in his own music. I know artists whose music is not all about their own personal lives, so I never assume what is said in music is all biographic and true. I guess Mayte should have had him read lyrics than take vows so she could figure out what to do... | |
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Desire2006 said: But that was the old Law Covenant. But when Jesus came 2 Earth and offered up his life as a ransome sacrifice his death put an end 2 those dogmatic old Laws and rituals,and he gave us new "laws" to live by, such as Love for one another and even for your enemies and he told us that Love should cover all aspects of life and Jesus told us that our first love should b towards God and if we truly love God first and foremost in our lives, then we should know Him as a person and what he requires of us as human beings and we should know what God loves and hates and one of the things he hates is illicit sexual acts!!!!
You just contradicted yourself! Either you reject the "old laws and rituals" or you don't. If you do, then your 2nd bold statement is now void because calling homosexuals "illicit" comes from what you just rejected (i.e. what you call "The Old Covenant"). You can't have it both ways. I don't want to stray this off topic, but let me say, as a gay born-again Christian, that I do read the Bible literally. HOWEVER, I also understand the origin of words, and I study that. I know that "abomination" and "unnatural" were NOT used in the sense in which the right wing church (a type of church I grew up in, mind you) uses to instill fear and guilt and shame.
PREACH IT!  It's a shame most right-wing fanatics don't bother to learn the Bible in its original languages (i.e. Hebrew and Greek). Maybe they'd learn the word "abomination" or in this case the original hebrew word which gets translated as "abomination" is believed by Biblical scholars to mean "Not part of our ritual" or "not fitting with ritual".
That is why things that seem pretty random to us in modern day (e.g. not eating certain foods like pork, not wearing linen and wool, etc.) all get called "abomination" or rather the Hebrew word. They are things which are not fitting with the ancient Israelites' rituals (and possibly/probably fitting with the other tribes' in the region rituals from which the Israelites wanted to specifically differ from). That is why Right wingers can never answer why eating lobster or wearing a linen/wool sportjacket is an "abomination" like being gay becauue they don't even understand what they are quoting.  |
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does this mean i don't have to follow the 10 commandments anymore, specifically the one about stealing? i got a yearning for some bootlegs. | |
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StephaniePlum said: freakyfeet said: Again - people posting "friends" PERSONAL messages from Facebook.
They kindly added you as a friend - why are you then making their comments available to the general public ? That's pretty sad. People shouldn't post anything on these social networking sites that they wouldn't want widely spread and/or known. And that especially goes for those people who will add almost anybody who requests as a "friend", and grow their list of friends into the multiple hundreds; you don't know who you can really trust and who you can't. Very true ...I think people request certain people to be nosy.Next there will be a thread saying Mani and Mayte are friends on FB etc. [Edited 4/24/09 19:47pm] | |
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DesireeNevermind said: does this mean i don't have to follow the 10 commandments anymore, specifically the one about stealing? i got a yearning for some bootlegs.
Hey .... you're the one who's said "reject the old rituals". So either you do or you don't. And re: the Ten Commandments. So you're saying you reject the Old Covenant but still want to keep the 10 Commandments such as "Thou Shalt Not Steal"? Well then, you better keep the Sabbath in the literal sense too (part of the 10 Commandments)and not light fires etc, chop wood, etc on Saturday. I"m going to assume that is not the case. So what is it? Or do you reject only some of hte 10 Commandments but keep others? Look, of course people can make decisions for themselves about how they personally want to observe, that's a personal choice. But you were using Scripture to justify things and then contradicting the same verses you just quoted! You can't have it both ways. [Edited 4/24/09 20:05pm] [Edited 4/24/09 20:06pm] |
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I think Manuela is someone who would tell the Truth about LIFE! I don't think she is one to FRONT when she's not Happy . I think she's very UPFRONT which is a good thing. Someday,maybe Confidentially she will tell us the Truth about her Relationship with PRINCE. But,he being a GEMINI is NOT About To TOTALLY EXPOSED. | |
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Desire2006 said: yet, how come when God created the first human couple, he created ADAM & EVE, not ADAM & STEVE????? If God had intended for gay relationships 2 populate the earth then he would have created 2 males or 2 females 2 start with, but he didnt, he created a MAN AND A WOMAN!!!!!
Also, in various other passages of the Bible there are quite extensive lists of certain types of people who will not b wanted in Gods new earthly Kingdom, which is soon 2 come, and homosexuals(whether male or female) are included with other such types as fornicators, idolators, thieves, rapists, murderers, drunkards, the list goes on!!!!! there is no god. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Desire2006 said: yet, how come when God created the first human couple, he created ADAM & EVE, not ADAM & STEVE????? If God had intended for gay relationships 2 populate the earth then he would have created 2 males or 2 females 2 start with, but he didnt, he created a MAN AND A WOMAN!!!!!
Also, in various other passages of the Bible there are quite extensive lists of certain types of people who will not b wanted in Gods new earthly Kingdom, which is soon 2 come, and homosexuals(whether male or female) are included with other such types as fornicators, idolators, thieves, rapists, murderers, drunkards, the list goes on!!!!! If you have nothing useful to add to this thread, please do not post. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ernestsewell said: If that is Manuela, good for her. She ain't keepin' quiet. Prince ain't all elephants and flowers like he wanted folks to believe. I have no doubt he's homophobic, which as a gay guy, sort of bothers me. His JW soapbox doesn't help matters. That "I study the bible with gay friends" stance is bologna to me too. He's probably brow beating them into heterohood.
I'm with you and meltedman. I'm glad she called his ass out, no matter the medium. I cannot get over how some  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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kyla said: Doc Funkenberry Prince just taped with Tavis Smiley on way to Ellen. more on http://www.docfb.com spread the word47 minutes ago · Comment
· Manuela Testolini at 07:49 i hope she asks him how he feels about gay marriage. something tells me he won't be as pointed as Miss California Manuela puts her 2c in on facebook [Edited 4/23/09 17:41pm] Well, all Jehovah's Witnesses feel like that about gay marriage. It is part of their doctrine based on their interpretation of the Bible. As Mani was baptised once, she too, must have accepted it or pretended to? Granted, she could have struggled with the issue. Mani is quite correct in what she has written in terms of Jehovah's Witness belief. However, this is not Prince specific. | |
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ernestsewell said: Desire2006 said: yet, how come when God created the first human couple, he created ADAM & EVE, not ADAM & STEVE
:: snipped for the people :: You're not really using "Adam and Steve" are you? LOL That's SO 1984. Betcha got "When Doves Cry" on repeat too. It also says if a child misbehaves that you should stone him, and that you should not eat pork. And that a woman on her period is unclean for 7 days and should stay away from every one. You can't cherry pick what you like and prune away what you don't. First off he is right and he is not cherry picking. You just don't like the response he gave which is right. | |
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meow85 said: ernestsewell said: If that is Manuela, good for her. She ain't keepin' quiet. Prince ain't all elephants and flowers like he wanted folks to believe. I have no doubt he's homophobic, which as a gay guy, sort of bothers me. His JW soapbox doesn't help matters. That "I study the bible with gay friends" stance is bologna to me too. He's probably brow beating them into heterohood.
I'm with you and meltedman. I'm glad she called his ass out, no matter the medium. I cannot get over how some its not that we support his words, some of us are just not falling into this opportunistic trap set by mani to slam prince and put her on a pedastle. we could talk about prince's standpoint on the matter, but i got some questions for her too you know [Edited 4/25/09 6:36am] | |
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wonder505 said: meow85 said: I'm with you and meltedman. I'm glad she called his ass out, no matter the medium. I cannot get over how some its not that we support his words, some of us are just not falling into this opportunistic trap set by mani to slam prince and put her on a pedastle. we could talk about prince's standpoint on the matter, but i got some questions for her too you know
[Edited 4/25/09 6:36am] Exactly, I don't see anyone making excuses for him, when we don't really know how he stands on that issue. The comments are more geared toward everyone's curiosity as to what her intentions, if any, were or are for posting a comment like that out of the blue, where she had to know someone would take it and run with it, even if she does have the right to post whatever she wants. At the same time though, others have the right to question it. I mean it was posted on a public forum and you know how that goes. [Edited 4/25/09 8:02am] | |
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Well too bad for Mani, Prince didn't speak on Ellen.
Opportunity missed.  | |
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utopia7 said: Very true ...I think people request certain people to be nosy. Next there will be a thread saying Mani and Mayte are friends on FB etc.
[Edited 4/24/09 19:47pm] People definitely do that. I've even had it happen to me, which is why I don't just add any random person who requests to friend me. You have to be careful. at Mani and Mayte on FB. That would be weird if they ever did form a friendship, although stranger things have happened! I guess they'd have a lot to talk about though... | |
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Well, this thread sure took a step back in evolution. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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2elijah said: wonder505 said: its not that we support his words, some of us are just not falling into this opportunistic trap set by mani to slam prince and put her on a pedastle. we could talk about prince's standpoint on the matter, but i got some questions for her too you know
[Edited 4/25/09 6:36am] Exactly, I don't see anyone making excuses for him, when we don't really know how he stands on that issue. The comments are more geared toward everyone's curiosity as to what her intentions, if any, were or are for posting a comment like that out of the blue, where she had to know someone would take it and run with it, even if she does have the right to post whatever she wants. At the same time though, others have the right to question it. I mean it was posted on a public forum and you know how that goes.
[Edited 4/25/09 8:02am] I see all kinds of fans making excuses for it. What Prince said, at best, was murky and that that publicly-made comment even hinted at negativity toward the issue should mean people take him to task for it. I am certainly the last person to put Mani on a pedestal. Truth be told, I think she's as crazy as her ex-husband. But Mani-bashing, like on this thread, is stupid. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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wonder505 said: meow85 said: I'm with you and meltedman. I'm glad she called his ass out, no matter the medium. I cannot get over how some its not that we support his words, some of us are just not falling into this opportunistic trap set by mani to slam prince and put her on a pedastle. we could talk about prince's standpoint on the matter, but i got some questions for her too you know
[Edited 4/25/09 6:36am] What's opportunistic about it? Facebook is a public medium, and people have a right to say whatever they want whenever they want about whoever they want on it. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: 2elijah said: Exactly, I don't see anyone making excuses for him, when we don't really know how he stands on that issue. The comments are more geared toward everyone's curiosity as to what her intentions, if any, were or are for posting a comment like that out of the blue, where she had to know someone would take it and run with it, even if she does have the right to post whatever she wants. At the same time though, others have the right to question it. I mean it was posted on a public forum and you know how that goes.
[Edited 4/25/09 8:02am] I see all kinds of fans making excuses for it. What Prince said, at best, was murky and that that publicly-made comment even hinted at negativity toward the issue should mean people take him to task for it. I am certainly the last person to put Mani on a pedestal. Truth be told, I think she's as crazy as her ex-husband. But Mani-bashing, like on this thread, is stupid. Well, with that being said, it's a public forum and people quite frankly are going to give their opinion on it anyway, even if you, I or anyone else thinks what they have to say about it is stupid. That's the internet for ya! | |
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If it really was her, she certainly didn't seem to have a problem with his views when she married him.
She's sort of 'just as bad' for quietly going along for the years they were married. So it seems his views are more important now that she's pissed at him. | |
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meow85 said: wonder505 said: its not that we support his words, some of us are just not falling into this opportunistic trap set by mani to slam prince and put her on a pedastle. we could talk about prince's standpoint on the matter, but i got some questions for her too you know
[Edited 4/25/09 6:36am] What's opportunistic about it? Facebook is a public medium, and people have a right to say whatever they want whenever they want about whoever they want on it. Where did I say she has no right? Can you copy and paste where I said that? She posted in a public medium that she quite sure knew would generate a reaction, and in my opinion, the reaction would be to slam Prince and make her look like the good one in support of gay marraige. and from what i see, mission accomplished on you, but not me. before i jump on the bandwagon and bash Prince in response to her statement, she's got some clarification to do in addition to Prince. [Edited 4/25/09 14:52pm] | |
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wonder505 said: meow85 said: What's opportunistic about it? Facebook is a public medium, and people have a right to say whatever they want whenever they want about whoever they want on it. Where did I say she has no right? Can you copy and paste where I said that? She posted in a public medium that she quite sure knew would generate a reaction, and in my opinion, the reaction would be to slam Prince and make her look like the good one in support of gay marraige. and from what i see, mission accomplished on you, but not me. before i jump on the bandwagon and bash Prince in response to her statement, she's got some clarification to do in addition to Prince. [Edited 4/25/09 14:52pm] And His Highness has sure as hell got some clarification to do regarding his comment. I'm not siding with Mani -I felt this way before her comment.(if it was indeed her) I just don't see what's so evil and opportunistic about her saying something on Facebook. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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2elijah said: meow85 said: I see all kinds of fans making excuses for it. What Prince said, at best, was murky and that that publicly-made comment even hinted at negativity toward the issue should mean people take him to task for it. I am certainly the last person to put Mani on a pedestal. Truth be told, I think she's as crazy as her ex-husband. But Mani-bashing, like on this thread, is stupid. Well, with that being said, it's a public forum and people quite frankly are going to give their opinion on it anyway, even if you, I or anyone else thinks what they have to say about it is stupid. That's the internet for ya! Indeed it is. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: wonder505 said: Where did I say she has no right? Can you copy and paste where I said that? She posted in a public medium that she quite sure knew would generate a reaction, and in my opinion, the reaction would be to slam Prince and make her look like the good one in support of gay marraige. and from what i see, mission accomplished on you, but not me. before i jump on the bandwagon and bash Prince in response to her statement, she's got some clarification to do in addition to Prince. [Edited 4/25/09 14:52pm] And His Highness has sure as hell got some clarification to do regarding his comment. I'm not siding with Mani -I felt this way before her comment.(if it was indeed her) I just don't see what's so evil and opportunistic about her saying something on Facebook. that's find. we'll just have to disagree. | |
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perhaps Prince should have been asked about his views on gold digging opportunist fans who sleep with married men,convince them to marry again, clear up in divorce court then spew their bitterness forth on public forums on the net.....
2 sides to every story. [Edited 4/25/09 16:07pm] | |
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