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Reply #90 posted 03/14/09 1:09am

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Papaj said:

Check out Vibe's pages for a very insightful read!!!

http://www.vibe.com/news/...y_melvoin/

The Revolution duo on Prince's lost dream

When talking to keyboardist Lisa Coleman and guitarist Wendy Melvoin about their experiences working with mercurial funk-rock God Prince, the stories are seemingly endless. So much so, that we couldn’t fit the bulk of the duo’s interview into our 51 Best Albums That Never Were package, which highlighted Prince’s now mythical 1986 unreleased project Dream Factory (Paisley Park). These days Wendy and Lisa—the most celebrated members of the Purple One’s classic ‘80s backing band The Revolution—are still making uncompromising music with the release of the latest album White Flags of Winter Chimneys (wendyandlisa.com).

As for Prince, the 50-year-old music icon is as prolific as ever. The superstar is releasing a three-disc CD set, LOtUSFLOW3R, MPLSoUND and third album from protégé Bria Valente through an exclusive deal with retail chain Target on March 29. So what’s it like recording with a prodigious talent who can write a song as easy as “brushing his teeth” as Coleman muses? Read on.

VIBE.com: The Dream Factory album remains one of Prince's most coveted unreleased works. What do you recall about the start of the studio sessions?

Wendy: When we were working on it, it wasn’t called the Dream Factory. It wasn’t that record. The time between Parade and Prince’s Sign O’ The Times was an incredibly prolific time for me, Lisa and Prince together. There were so many songs that didn’t end up on any records that later ended up on Sign O’ The Times. At that time I remember Susannah, my sister, was doing a lot of vocals on that record.

Lisa: There also another record that people refer to called “Crystal Ball”. But I remember doing songs that were 15 minutes long and all these different sections.

Wendy: There was also “Roadhouse Garden “which was unreleased as part of that as well.

Lisa: We were traveling and working everyday.

Prince's songwriting prowess has now become legendary. What was it like to work when an artist who could write a song and record it in one day?

Lisa: Prince, he can write a song a day. I remember that whole time as being so creative. We were really exploring a lot of things. It was buying new gear.

Wendy: Lisa and I bought the Fairlight [sampling synthesizer] into the situation.

Lisa: The Fairlight was just inspiration for a writer like Prince – for all of us. There were flute sounds, wind sounds, voice samples, hand clap sounds. We would just build these songs around it.

"All My Dreams” is arguably the highlight of Dream Factory. You can hear influences from jazz to 1930's Hollywood musicals within the framework of that track. This was a pretty ambitious track.

Wendy: It reminded me of classic Kid Creole and The Coconuts. Prince had this cool sort of personality when he was singing it. One track he sang through a megaphone and the other track was a clean track and he mixed the two. And Lisa and I were doing these crazy background vocals.

Lisa: Prince would tell us when we would be doing background vocals, “Sing like you are Betty Davis.” If we weren’t in the studio we would watch old black and white films and that whole “Puttin’ On The Ritz” era.

It was during this time that the Revolution was on tour with Prince for the Hit & Run tour. How were you guys able to keep the frantic pace of touring and the marathon recording sessions Prince was known for?

Lisa: You know I got to say we were not doing drugs (laughs). If we had, it would have been bad.

Wendy: I save my wine consumption for now, as an older dame.

"Visions" seemed to be a huge curve pitch for Prince. How did he approach you (Lisa) about creating a short avant-garde jazz piano instrumental?

Lisa: Prince had being thinking of ideas of doing piano interludes on a record. He had just got a new grand piano in his house. His studio was downstairs in this basement. It was all improvisational. I played it once and that’s what that is. I haven’t played it since. We were just testing out the set up. Susan Rogers recorded it and miked the piano. He didn’t even have any inputs that day. We were just running a cable from upstairs (laughs). We were just testing out the gear. Prince wasn’t there. He just asked us to do some thing. He said, “Make them two and half minute pieces.” So I recorded a few and that’s what “Visions” is.

Then there's “Witness 4 The Prosecution." There's a very hard rocking vibe to that track, but Prince being Prince also decided to add a gospel feel to it.

Lisa: That was good stuff. That was a moment when we were all in a room and Prince pressed play and just said, “Do you like it?” [laughs] I do remember being in the room singing those background vocals and getting up really high, trying to work that vibrato. [laughs]

Can you shed light into the track “Strange Relationship," a song Prince had recorded and given to you to finish?

Wendy: We got a master tape that had Prince’s vocals, piano and drums. He said, “Take it and finish it.” So Lisa and I went back to Los Angeles and created the other parts to it. The sitar sound came from a sample from the Fairlight.

How did you feel when you heard "Strange Relationship" on Prince's landmark '87 work Sign O’ The Times, stripped of you and Lisa's contributions?

Wendy: Jealous that our name was not on it and that he took us off.

Your relationship with Prince seemed to be the closest out of anyone from '84 to '86. What do you feel was Prince's motive for letting you and Lisa go and disbanding the Revolution?

Wendy: That was the relationship he, me, and Lisa had. It became this triumvirate, a three-headed monster. And that was the main reason why he let us go. He wanted to express himself completely. We were doing so much work. That’s the way I rationalize it now. Prince may have other reasons why he let us go. He’s never really talked about that. But we were led to believe that he needed to get back his mojo.

Lisa: That was hard. After getting fired I remember two things: The morning I was blow-drying my hair thinking, “Did we just get fired?” [laughs] And then when Sign O’ The Times came out. We listened to it like, “Oh wow...we are gone.” It was like a breakup and seeing your boyfriend with another girl.

Looking back, what comes to mind thinking about your time with Prince during one of his most productive periods?

Wendy: That was a creative time for Lisa and I as well. We wanted to show Prince things he had never heard before. And we are very proud of that.

Your current album White Flags of Winter Chimneys features some of the same left field, quirky, experimental hallmarks that can be found on the Dream Factory. Are we going to see a Wendy & Lisa tour anytime soon?

Lisa: We are looking into that now. Even back when we had a big record deal it was like, “We don’t have enough money to put you in a room.” We might be in New York in the summertime so we might set up a residency.

Wendy: What would ultimately be cool because we work with so many great musicians, we have this band called Edith Funker with Questlove, Erykah badu, Doyal Bram Hall, James Poyser and Jazzy Jeff. We cut songs and we are trying to finish a record. Quest has been out on the road for about a year now and Erykah has been out for a year, but what could be great is if we could all go out as this revue. That’s my goal.


Great read, thanx for posting, interesting what they say about "all my dreams", only song i felt more for was "old friends 4 sale" off the charade album. I cant think of any other song that is anything like "all my dreams" from Prince, back in the days, only his experimental b-sides used ever get close to this. I even remeber some 20 yrs ago, my 70 yr old neighbour hearing the strains of this song from my bedroom and asking me what i was listening to, she really liked it...

Now i will listen to THAT "strange relationship" wink
If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.

"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014
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Reply #91 posted 03/14/09 6:47am

Zannaloaf

so let me get this straight....Wendy and Lisa had something to do with Princes sound during that era???!! ...say it isn't so!!
Sorry - could not resist.
Yeah- it's great to read some reality about that time period from people who lived it and have the ability to cut through the BS and give a nice interview.
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Reply #92 posted 03/14/09 9:44am

Bfunkthe1

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Zannaloaf said:

so let me get this straight....Wendy and Lisa had something to do with Princes sound during that era???!! ...say it isn't so!!
Sorry - could not resist.
Yeah- it's great to read some reality about that time period from people who lived it and have the ability to cut through the BS and give a nice interview.

Look I make no bones about it. My fave stuff is this era where W&L heavily influenced P's sound but adding SOTT,BA,Lovesexy.
Has he released great stuff before and after said period yes of course blah blah blah.
My personal preference is P's musical mix during this period of: jazz,rock,rnb,gospel,psychedelia,prog,funk,classical,new wave and whatever else. And not committing fully to any of the styles in a given song. More or less. There are execptions of course.
Dream Factory and Parade are my fave P albums. Period.
Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way.
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Reply #93 posted 03/14/09 6:13pm

Jeffiner

Giovanni777 said:

love2thenines2003 said:



For me Gio this is PURE BULXXXXX !!

cool


Well I'm sure it is fake, but with Prince U just never know.

This person, if fake, knows how 2 imitate well... Prince would have TOTALLY said "the correct spelling of junior's name is..."

Tough 2 tell. There was someone on the org a while ago, sending pretend-Prince messages, via OrgNotes, and they had Prince's method of communication down perfectly. Maybe they finally got some help... or maybe that's the same person.
[Edited 3/13/09 7:43am]


hmmm

Interesting interview, thanks!
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Reply #94 posted 03/14/09 7:34pm

brooklyn

It seems as if Prince has been putting out sub par music whilst his former band mates and collaborators are putting out really good shit! heck out Edith Funker...just sounds damn good. http://www.myspace.com/edithfunker
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Reply #95 posted 03/14/09 8:04pm

violetblues

brooklyn said:

It seems as if Prince has been putting out sub par music whilst his former band mates and collaborators are putting out really good shit! heck out Edith Funker...just sounds damn good. http://www.myspace.com/edithfunker


Man, thats good!

"so funky you can smell it!"


For the most part there was a massive brain-drain from the Prince camp in 87 when some good folks started leaving.

...and the music got progressively dumber, maybe flat-out-stupid.
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Reply #96 posted 03/15/09 4:15am

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Ok, here's a funny thought:

All My Dreams could easily have been on PE (which I don't particularly like) or TRC (which I do). I wonder how it would have been received on either of those?

My guess:

On PE, I would have seen it as a stand-out but wouldn't go back to the album specially to hear it and it would only slightly improve my over-all impression of the album (although if the complete vers. was on there it would add a little to the low funk ratio and that's a major bonus).

On TRC, I think it would fit perfectly and even raise a great albuima notch, altho the chorus has a bit of a wedding feast feel ( boxed )
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #97 posted 03/15/09 4:28am

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violetblues said:

brooklyn said:

It seems as if Prince has been putting out sub par music whilst his former band mates and collaborators are putting out really good shit! heck out Edith Funker...just sounds damn good. http://www.myspace.com/edithfunker


Man, thats good!

"so funky you can smell it!"


For the most part there was a massive brain-drain from the Prince camp in 87 when some good folks started leaving.

...and the music got progressively dumber, maybe flat-out-stupid.


Oh yeah, that's wild! The article said that it's the Living Color rhythm section, but it's ?uestlove on drums. Anyone explain?
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #98 posted 03/15/09 8:01pm

andrewm7

Anxiety said:

sbacon1999 said:

If you've never heard "In All My Dreams", head over to the Vibe.com page - they're frickin' streaming it! eek

http://www.vibe.com/news/...re_part_4/


wait, i'm going senile and i'm too lazy to google...is "all my dreams" on crystal ball? cuz if not...VIBE's got stones! lol

stones indeed, I wonder how long before the purple paddy wagon and the web sheriff come knockin at their crib
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Reply #99 posted 03/15/09 8:30pm

squirrelgrease

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andrewm7 said:

Anxiety said:



wait, i'm going senile and i'm too lazy to google...is "all my dreams" on crystal ball? cuz if not...VIBE's got stones! lol

stones indeed, I wonder how long before the purple paddy wagon and the web sheriff come knockin at their crib


I'm surprised that it's still there. I'm just glad that other folks get a chance to hear this piece of gold.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #100 posted 03/16/09 1:44am

jstar69

squirrelgrease said:

andrewm7 said:


stones indeed, I wonder how long before the purple paddy wagon and the web sheriff come knockin at their crib


I'm surprised that it's still there. I'm just glad that other folks get a chance to hear this piece of gold.


I agree - how the hell is it still there? unless W&L either had some artistic right/claim to the track, or P agreed for them to use it
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Reply #101 posted 03/16/09 9:04am

applekisses

Wow - excellent article! Thanks for posting.
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Reply #102 posted 03/16/09 11:24am

FrankieDJ

No way is that Prince. He is totally against the record company double disc bonus cuts jack move! None of his original masters will get touched, either u got 'em or u don't. And Doyle plays 4 Eric Clapton and Roger Waters, he's not on Prince's album, what's that about?

Giovanni777 said:

Ummmmm... Has anyone noticed the comments following the interview???

Someone is pretending 2 be Prince... or is.



lotusflow3r says:

The correct spelling of junior's last name is Doyle Bramhall.

Eye am sorry that they were not credited properly on Sign O' The Times. Eye will request that Warner address this in time for the June re-release.

Many of the trax mentioned in the above article will b released in June by Warner when my long overdue remastered Warner catalog is made available. Each of the discs will include a 2nd disc of previously unreleased trax.

A European tour will follow where only previously unreleased trax will b played.


http://www.vibe.com/news/...y_melvoin/
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Reply #103 posted 03/17/09 8:53am

murph

violetblues said:

brooklyn said:

It seems as if Prince has been putting out sub par music whilst his former band mates and collaborators are putting out really good shit! heck out Edith Funker...just sounds damn good. http://www.myspace.com/edithfunker


Man, thats good!

"so funky you can smell it!"


For the most part there was a massive brain-drain from the Prince camp in 87 when some good folks started leaving.

...and the music got progressively dumber, maybe flat-out-stupid.



Right...cuz Wendy & Lisa were Prince's brain, ya know?...lol


WTF...

Lunacy aside, the interview was still an insightful read...
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Reply #104 posted 03/19/09 9:11am

violetblues

murph said:

violetblues said:



Man, thats good!

"so funky you can smell it!"


For the most part there was a massive brain-drain from the Prince camp in 87 when some good folks started leaving.

...and the music got progressively dumber, maybe flat-out-stupid.



Right...cuz Wendy & Lisa were Prince's brain, ya know?...lol


WTF...

Lunacy aside, the interview was still an insightful read...


lol,
yeah lunacy to think his music got brain dead.

Ok
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Reply #105 posted 03/20/09 8:23pm

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

I think it was the extacy trip that fried his brain, not the leaving of W&L
tho'they both happened round the same time.


sad never been the same again
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Reply #106 posted 03/20/09 9:50pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

Power Fantastic is also a Dream Factory outtake

that is a very powerful song, a nice background story on that one too

Power Fantastic
Teacher Teacher
Crystal Ball (2 versions) I prefer the one with the more Paradish sound
Visions (lisa's piano solo)
Dream Factory
Last Heart
Data Bank

Was Crucial a part of this project?


When I listen 2 Prince post 80's music and wonder what is lacking in the sound (not all songs just most) then I listen to music by W&L and even Dr Fink, then I understand

He had the perfect team: band & engineer
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Reply #107 posted 03/20/09 10:08pm

stanleylieber

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OldFriends4Sale said:


Was Crucial a part of this project?


i think "crucial" was supposed to be for "the dawn."
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #108 posted 03/27/09 12:01pm

SomewhereHereO
nEarth

LondonStyle said:

man 2009 is gonna be a mad year for music...

Prince New CD - check
MJ in Concert - check
W&L - co-lab - check...

u said it... biggrin
Love God. Love Music. Love Life.
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Reply #109 posted 04/01/09 5:04pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

here is the photo where the magazine image came from

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Reply #110 posted 04/04/09 9:32am

ladygirl99

I hope Wendy and Lisa able to tour but the problem is that they need the funds to do it. Currently I heard they are trying to get like Erykah Badu and Questlove involved and possibly Q-tip.

It is April now and i hope they figureout something soon as summer approaching real quick.
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Reply #111 posted 04/08/09 11:56am

SomewhereHereO
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OldFriends4Sale said:

here is the photo where the magazine image came from


Thanks for the pic!!
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