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Z Cult Question/ Grace or Tricky?

I just mainly ran this thread to try to add some life into this forum being that it is and has been kinda dead. What's your favorite b-side by The Time? Grace or Tricky? Both are cool but uh, I gotta go with Grace. Love it, love it, love it. Funny as hell. P takes a bite out of Funkadelic's "My Automobile" on Grace. Listen to the dialogue and the voices of the females on "My Automobile" and "Grace" and you'll hear what I'm talking about. Anyway, which one do ya'll favor?
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Reply #1 posted 05/09/08 4:37pm

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Oh and these two songs were one of the first things I asked Morris about.
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Reply #2 posted 05/09/08 4:39pm

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Oh and these two songs were one of the first things I asked Morris about.
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Reply #3 posted 05/09/08 11:13pm

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what did he say about them? Personally I like Tricky but I appreciate Grace because I like 777-9311.
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/08 1:13am

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Oh and these two songs were one of the first things I asked Morris about.

hmmm I remember Grace fondly because it was on the B side of 777-9311. cool
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Reply #5 posted 05/10/08 6:49am

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Grace, a perfect summarization of the Morris Day persona!

"Okay, Grace!"
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/08 10:08am

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Tricky
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/08 11:05am

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GoActive said:

Grace, a perfect summarization of the Morris Day persona!

"Okay, Grace!"

The cold part about it is that it's not Morris on Grace. P's imitating Morris's voice. Just like he is on "If A Girl Answers". Tricky, which is about George Clinton, is Morris (on drums) and Morris on vocals and P is laughing in the background.
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/08 11:09am

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what did he say about them? Personally I like Tricky but I appreciate Grace because I like 777-9311.

That P got the idea for Grace from the film "Sisters" with Margot Kidder. It was about two sisters. Anyway, if u have never seen the film, u should. You'll easily see where P got this from and why he's saying what he's saying in the song Grace.
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/08 1:37pm

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blackguitaristz said:

GoActive said:

Grace, a perfect summarization of the Morris Day persona!

"Okay, Grace!"

The cold part about it is that it's not Morris on Grace. P's imitating Morris's voice. Just like he is on "If A Girl Answers". Tricky, which is about George Clinton, is Morris (on drums) and Morris on vocals and P is laughing in the background.


wait u mean its not morris on tricky? i think u confused the titles
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Reply #10 posted 05/10/08 5:42pm

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Tricky is far superior because Morris killed that shit on drums. Grace is funny but its 777-9311 Pt. 2.
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/08 6:14pm

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TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

blackguitaristz said:


The cold part about it is that it's not Morris on Grace. P's imitating Morris's voice. Just like he is on "If A Girl Answers". Tricky, which is about George Clinton, is Morris (on drums) and Morris on vocals and P is laughing in the background.


wait u mean its not morris on tricky? i think u confused the titles
[Edited 5/10/08 13:41pm]

Nah player...read that post again. I said Morris is on Tricky, playing drums and on vocals. P is the one who's laughing in the background.
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Reply #12 posted 05/10/08 6:15pm

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SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

Tricky is far superior because Morris killed that shit on drums. Grace is funny but its 777-9311 Pt. 2.

yep... I STILL dig Grace better though for some reason.
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Reply #13 posted 05/10/08 6:17pm

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Little P history quiz: Who do ya'll think the female voice is on Grace?
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/08 7:01pm

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aight.. i heard u worked with morris day so your our number 1 source lol
but i could've sworn it was the opposite.. morris speaking on grace..and p imitating morris on tricky.. guess i was wrong
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Reply #15 posted 05/10/08 7:37pm

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just gave the songs another listen.. and im still convinced its the opposite..
u sure about that one playa?
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/08 7:55pm

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thats definitely morris speaking at the start of tricky and p laughing...
but i think its p singing the rest of the track.. u can also hear morris laughing @ 2:18 and 2:28

as for grace.. it really sounds like morris speaking.. unless p is a pro imitator
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Reply #17 posted 05/10/08 8:06pm

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blackguitaristz said:

SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

Tricky is far superior because Morris killed that shit on drums. Grace is funny but its 777-9311 Pt. 2.

yep... I STILL dig Grace better though for some reason.

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Reply #18 posted 05/10/08 8:08pm

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[Edited 5/10/08 20:08pm]
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Reply #19 posted 05/10/08 8:16pm

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Little P history quiz: Who do ya'll think the female voice is on Grace?



hmmmmm...Either Vanity or Susan hmmm


I'll go with Vanity

Because that's was the first person who came to mind when I first heard it.. biggrin
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Reply #20 posted 05/10/08 8:27pm

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TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

thats definitely morris speaking at the start of tricky and p laughing...
but i think its p singing the rest of the track.. u can also hear morris laughing @ 2:18 and 2:28

as for grace.. it really sounds like morris speaking.. unless p is a pro imitator
[Edited 5/10/08 20:09pm]

Alright alright, I just wanted to see who was going to come up on it. It's Morris on Grace! The first part of Tricky is Morris and then they do swittch it up. U can tell by the way the laughing changes as well. Now that's P on If A Girl Answers. When P imitates Morris, his voice is rougher. It's not nearly as smooth as Morris's voice. Very good TFS2. I knew somebody was going to come with it. Like I stated in the thread, it's been dead up in here so I just wanted to try and lighten things up.
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
nammie "What BGZ says I believe. I have the biggest crush on him."
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Reply #21 posted 05/10/08 8:29pm

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blackguitaristz said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

thats definitely morris speaking at the start of tricky and p laughing...
but i think its p singing the rest of the track.. u can also hear morris laughing @ 2:18 and 2:28

as for grace.. it really sounds like morris speaking.. unless p is a pro imitator
[Edited 5/10/08 20:09pm]

Alright alright, I just wanted to see who was going to come up on it. It's Morris on Grace! The first part of Tricky is Morris and then they do swittch it up. U can tell by the way the laughing changes as well. Now that's P on If A Girl Answers. When P imitates Morris, his voice is rougher. It's not nearly as smooth as Morris's voice. Very good TFS2. I knew somebody was going to come with it. Like I stated in the thread, it's been dead up in here so I just wanted to try and lighten things up.

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funkpill said:

blackguitaristz said:

Little P history quiz: Who do ya'll think the female voice is on Grace?



hmmmmm...Either Vanity or Susan hmmm


I'll go with Vanity

Because that's was the first person who came to mind when I first heard it.. biggrin

It does sound like Vanity....Kinda sounds like Susan in spots too....How about J.J.?
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Reply #23 posted 05/10/08 8:36pm

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funkpill said:




hmmmmm...Either Vanity or Susan hmmm


I'll go with Vanity

Because that's was the first person who came to mind when I first heard it.. biggrin

It does sound like Vanity....Kinda sounds like Susan in spots too....How about J.J.?

I know when I first heard it I thought it was Susan or Vanity.
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Reply #24 posted 05/10/08 8:48pm

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funkpill said:




hmmmmm...Either Vanity or Susan hmmm


I'll go with Vanity

Because that's was the first person who came to mind when I first heard it.. biggrin

It does sound like Vanity....Kinda sounds like Susan in spots too....How about J.J.?



eek wow

She does a good Vanity imitation biggrin
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funkpill said:

blackguitaristz said:


It does sound like Vanity....Kinda sounds like Susan in spots too....How about J.J.?



eek wow

She does a good Vanity imitation biggrin

Not saying it's J.J....just throwing that out there.
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Reply #26 posted 05/10/08 10:06pm

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lol u a bad man blackguitarist.. nicely done! u almost got me fooled there..
thats probly why the song is called tricky right?

why the hell did p diss george clinton on the song?
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Reply #27 posted 05/11/08 12:17am

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blackguitaristz said:

GoActive said:

Grace, a perfect summarization of the Morris Day persona!

"Okay, Grace!"

The cold part about it is that it's not Morris on Grace. P's imitating Morris's voice. Just like he is on "If A Girl Answers". Tricky, which is about George Clinton, is Morris (on drums) and Morris on vocals and P is laughing in the background.

Really? On tracks such as If A Girl Answers and Vibrator, you can distinctly hear Prince doing his best Morris impression. It sounds so fine tuned on Grace though. hmmm Edit: Just read the above posts, I knew that couldn't possibly being Morris sounding that rough! lol

In regards to the female in question, most trivia sites list it as being Vanity, though it sounds nothing like her.
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TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

lol u a bad man blackguitarist.. nicely done! u almost got me fooled there..
thats probly why the song is called tricky right?

why the hell did p diss george clinton on the song?

Now that, I don't know.
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Reply #29 posted 05/11/08 7:54am

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blackguitaristz said:

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

lol u a bad man blackguitarist.. nicely done! u almost got me fooled there..
thats probly why the song is called tricky right?

why the hell did p diss george clinton on the song?

Now that, I don't know.


I seem to remember that they had just seen Clinton perform a few nights earlier. I have posted the following before, but this might help with some questions about this session:
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From my notes, the song was recorded at Sunset Sound on Wednesday February 1, 1984 (drifting into the morning of Feb. 2), during a rare break from working on the Apollonia 6 album. The rumor was that they were returning from a George Clinton concert, but the session started at 7 PM, so that is doubtful. For 6 hours, Prince, Morris (I think you can also hear Jerome) and a few others goofed off in the studio. Prince was playing the bass (supposedly while wearing gloves) and keyboards, while Morris played the drums. They were supposedly singing about George Clinton, but since both of them respected his music, I don’t know why, other than they were still young and cocky. It is obvious that Prince and Morris were having fun, so some of the tension they had during the recording of ICE CREAM CASTLE was behind them. That album was finished (having been mixed on Jan. 18/19th).

The funny thing is they were using studio 2, so they had to take a microphone down thru the main recording area, down the hall to the bathroom where the toilet flush had to be cued for the end of the song.

A side note about this session: this was the last “new” recording of “The Time” for years. Technically, there was additional work done on the album in early May (a few tracks were edited down), but for the most part, it would be Morris’ last time recording with Prince until they got together for the unreleased Time album “Corporate World”.

This is from a very early draft of Prince: The Studio Sessions. I've left of a lot of details and have streamlined the story for this post.
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