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PrintablePurpleKnight said: I don't mean to piss people off, but really, what is so special about them?
They've performed the same couple of songs ad nauseum for years and years, and they never even update their stage routine. It's always the same gimmick of that hands on the hips dance from Purple Rain, Morris looking at himself in a mirror held up by Jerome, etc. They had some great funk tracks in the 80's, but that's because they were written by a certain someone. I can understand that Jam & Lewis are great producers outside the band, but The Time never really became anything worth talking about. I love the two first Time albums and you are absolutely correct. I'm sure the guys are all cool cats and all, but fact is, they are basically vanity and Apollonia Prince did all work, plays nearly everything on the damn things, even sings some parts. let's not get all exited giving them too much credit guys, drink some coffee sober up. I'm sure Prince evens had to fight with some of these guys to even show up cause they were too coked up. lets get real. But i LOVE The TWO time records PRINCE made FOR THEM lol. [Edited 3/28/08 18:34pm] | |
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violetblues said: PurpleKnight said: I don't mean to piss people off, but really, what is so special about them?
They've performed the same couple of songs ad nauseum for years and years, and they never even update their stage routine. It's always the same gimmick of that hands on the hips dance from Purple Rain, Morris looking at himself in a mirror held up by Jerome, etc. They had some great funk tracks in the 80's, but that's because they were written by a certain someone. I can understand that Jam & Lewis are great producers outside the band, but The Time never really became anything worth talking about. I love the two first Time albums and you are absolutely correct. I'm sure the guys are all cool cats and all, but fact is, they are basically vanity and Apollonia Prince did all work, plays nearly everything on the damn things, even sings some parts. let's not get all exited giving them too much credit guys, drink some coffee sober up. I'm sure Prince evens had to fight with some of these guys to even show up cause they were too coked up. lets get real. But i LOVE The TWO time records PRINCE made FOR THEM lol. [Edited 3/28/08 18:34pm] So what facts are your drug use assertions based on? Particulary during the period stated. You could have made your point without the swipe. Regardless of what went on as far as the studio recordings these musicians were still the public face for the band. So what if Prince wrote the material? The bands rep wes based primarily on the live shows. And its fairly safe to say that Prince's level of control over the situation wasn't what the group wanted, but as the saying goes he was the boss. It was what it was. Why attempt to marginalize what they accomplished as a live band? [Edited 3/28/08 18:52pm] |
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kstrat said: violetblues said: I love the two first Time albums and you are absolutely correct. I'm sure the guys are all cool cats and all, but fact is, they are basically vanity and Apollonia Prince did all work, plays nearly everything on the damn things, even sings some parts. let's not get all exited giving them too much credit guys, drink some coffee sober up. I'm sure Prince evens had to fight with some of these guys to even show up cause they were too coked up. lets get real. But i LOVE The TWO time records PRINCE made FOR THEM lol. [Edited 3/28/08 18:34pm] So what facts are your drug use assertions based on? Particulary during the period stated. You could have made your point without the swipe. Regardless of what went on as far as the studio recordings these musicians were still the public face for the band. So what if Prince wrote the material? The bands rep wes based primarily on the live shows. And its fairly safe to say that Prince's level of control over the situation wasn't what the group wanted, but as the saying goes he was the boss. It was what it was. Why attempt to marginalize what they accomplished as a live band? [Edited 3/28/08 18:52pm] C'mon, PurpleKnight stated the obvious and some people go nuts here like someone told them there is no Santa Clause or tooth fairy or something. And yes they WERE a good live band. but lets not go overboard here. And not to marginalizes ANY associated artist here, but its been stated time and again about certain members in the prince camp and their drug problems.  [Edited 3/28/08 20:40pm] | |
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violetblues said: kstrat said: So what facts are your drug use assertions based on? Particulary during the period stated. You could have made your point without the swipe. Regardless of what went on as far as the studio recordings these musicians were still the public face for the band. So what if Prince wrote the material? The bands rep wes based primarily on the live shows. And its fairly safe to say that Prince's level of control over the situation wasn't what the group wanted, but as the saying goes he was the boss. It was what it was. Why attempt to marginalize what they accomplished as a live band? [Edited 3/28/08 18:52pm] C'mon, PurpleKnight stated the obvious and some people go nuts here like someone told them there is no Santa Clause or tooth fairy or something. And yes they WERE a good live band. but lets not go overboard here. And not to marginalizes ANY associated artist here, but its been stated time and again about certain members in the prince camp and their drug problems.
[Edited 3/28/08 20:40pm] Again,my point is that you can state whatever opinion you have without all the digs. Why adopt the negative tone? That's troll-ish! Why is it necessary to keep throwing the whole dope thing up in folks face. It's not like you're quoting 1st hand facts here. You're just repeating what you heard. There may have been some substance abuse, wtf does that have to do with the crux of the topic? It's a shame when you can't add to a conversation without dishing some sort of dirt. I digress... you are free to post as you like . I personally just don't get the point of approaching a conversation that way. Carry on..... |
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kstrat said: violetblues said: C'mon, PurpleKnight stated the obvious and some people go nuts here like someone told them there is no Santa Clause or tooth fairy or something. And yes they WERE a good live band. but lets not go overboard here. And not to marginalizes ANY associated artist here, but its been stated time and again about certain members in the prince camp and their drug problems.
[Edited 3/28/08 20:40pm] Again,my point is that you can state whatever opinion you have without all the digs. Why adopt the negative tone? That's troll-ish! Why is it necessary to keep throwing the whole dope thing up in folks face. It's not like you're quoting 1st hand facts here. You're just repeating what you heard. There may have been some substance abuse, wtf does that have to do with the crux of the topic? It's a shame when you can't add to a conversation without dishing some sort of dirt. I digress... you are free to post as you like . I personally just don't get the point of approaching a conversation that way. Carry on..... Jeez dude 
get real What i posted are pure plain facts, dude, point out something that isn't then talk. [Edited 3/29/08 7:12am] [Edited 3/29/08 7:19am] | |
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violetblues said: kstrat said: Again,my point is that you can state whatever opinion you have without all the digs. Why adopt the negative tone? That's troll-ish! Why is it necessary to keep throwing the whole dope thing up in folks face. It's not like you're quoting 1st hand facts here. You're just repeating what you heard. There may have been some substance abuse, wtf does that have to do with the crux of the topic? It's a shame when you can't add to a conversation without dishing some sort of dirt. I digress... you are free to post as you like . I personally just don't get the point of approaching a conversation that way. Carry on..... Jeez dude
get real What i posted are pure plain facts, dude, point out something that isn't then talk. [Edited 3/29/08 7:12am] [Edited 3/29/08 7:19am] First off it's one thing to chime in and agree with a posting. No harm in that. You became suspect when you chose to (Troll alert!). interject something negative into the mix that was not part of the original intent of the thread. The question was simple "What's so great about The Time?" Most folks here already know about Prince's level of involvement & most of the stories about what went on behind the scenes. That's almost a given. Tossing that stuff is tantamount to B.S. That bit of B.S. usually seeps in when the poster runs out of anything useful to add to the conversation. Most topics here are speculative in nature and of course debatable. Opinions are often passed off as facts and a lot of folks will repeat things they've read or heard about as if it were gospel. That's just the nature of a public message board. Unless you were there and have some sort concrete knowledge you'd be a damn fool to stand by a lot of what you read here as absolute facts. Is it likely that some of this stuff happened as reported? Probably. Could you swear to it as truth if you weren't there? Hell No! It's just an opinion based on the info you've gathered. Not a bad thing just a really weak branch to try and jump on. LOL! When I do respond to any post I'm just representing my own point of view I'm not here to knock or win over folks. The Org is just is a cool place to visit and engage in intelligent dialog. Maybe meet some really cool people along the way. Who has time for this kiddie nonsense? Pure Plain Facts. Sure. |
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kstrat said: violetblues said: Jeez dude
get real What i posted are pure plain facts, dude, point out something that isn't then talk. [Edited 3/29/08 7:12am] [Edited 3/29/08 7:19am] First off it's one thing to chime in and agree with a posting. No harm in that. You became suspect when you chose to (Troll alert!). interject something negative into the mix that was not part of the original intent of the thread. The question was simple "What's so great about The Time?" Most folks here already know about Prince's level of involvement & most of the stories about what went on behind the scenes. That's almost a given. Tossing that stuff is tantamount to B.S. That bit of B.S. usually seeps in when the poster runs out of anything useful to add to the conversation. Most topics here are speculative in nature and of course debatable. Opinions are often passed off as facts and a lot of folks will repeat things they've read or heard about as if it were gospel. That's just the nature of a public message board. Unless you were there and have some sort concrete knowledge you'd be a damn fool to stand by a lot of what you read here as absolute facts. Is it likely that some of this stuff happened as reported? Probably. Could you swear to it as truth if you weren't there? Hell No! It's just an opinion based on the info you've gathered. Not a bad thing just a really weak branch to try and jump on. LOL! When I do respond to any post I'm just representing my own point of view I'm not here to knock or win over folks. The Org is just is a cool place to visit and engage in intelligent dialog. Maybe meet some really cool people along the way. Who has time for this kiddie nonsense? Pure Plain Facts. Sure. Dude, something you don't want to hear is troll alert, lol tell me what's negative, stating the facts as they are known, or wallowing in some imaginary adolescent fantasy world,sometimes things are not bright and pretty as you like, does that mean we dont talk about them becasue you dont like the reality. lol I love The Time, i and a huge fan, ive seen them in concert countless times (at the local Indian Casinos (seriously!), they are a good band, I love them warts and all dude, dont be such a pussy. yea this is a cool place to visit and check out info on the music i like, but what exactly got your panties in a bunch anyway, get real dude butch up some too. [Edited 3/29/08 17:24pm] | |
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violetblues said: kstrat said: First off it's one thing to chime in and agree with a posting. No harm in that. You became suspect when you chose to (Troll alert!). interject something negative into the mix that was not part of the original intent of the thread. The question was simple "What's so great about The Time?" Most folks here already know about Prince's level of involvement & most of the stories about what went on behind the scenes. That's almost a given. Tossing that stuff is tantamount to B.S. That bit of B.S. usually seeps in when the poster runs out of anything useful to add to the conversation. Most topics here are speculative in nature and of course debatable. Opinions are often passed off as facts and a lot of folks will repeat things they've read or heard about as if it were gospel. That's just the nature of a public message board. Unless you were there and have some sort concrete knowledge you'd be a damn fool to stand by a lot of what you read here as absolute facts. Is it likely that some of this stuff happened as reported? Probably. Could you swear to it as truth if you weren't there? Hell No! It's just an opinion based on the info you've gathered. Not a bad thing just a really weak branch to try and jump on. LOL! When I do respond to any post I'm just representing my own point of view I'm not here to knock or win over folks. The Org is just is a cool place to visit and engage in intelligent dialog. Maybe meet some really cool people along the way. Who has time for this kiddie nonsense? Pure Plain Facts. Sure. Dude, something you don't want to hear is troll alert, lol tell me what's negative, stating the facts as they are known, or wallowing in some imaginary adolescent fantasy world,sometimes things are not bright and pretty as you like, does that mean we dont talk about them becasue you dont like the reality. lol I love The Time, i and a huge fan, ive seen them in concert countless times (at the local Indian Casinos (seriously!), they are a good band, I love them warts and all dude, dont be such a pussy. yea this is a cool place to visit and check out info on the music i like, but what exactly got your panties in a bunch anyway, get real dude butch up some too. [Edited 3/29/08 17:24pm] Wow...You're really stepping the line now. Feel free to toss off as many lame combacks as you like. Don't get indignant because you were called on what was in my opinion a B.S. post. I'm not going to stoop down to your level. (Eh..and what's up with the pseudo-macho posturing?) Simply put, that dreck you bought into the thread was not needed. It wasn't the least bit relevant to the topic of what made the band great. You can justfy your comments anyway you like. Thats your perogative. Your attempt to flex your "keyboard Muscles" is what I find so humorous. You don't know me so chill with personal insults. It's a clear sign of your lack of maturity & a sure fire way to get booted off the board. Is civility a term that doesn't register with you? You want to sling more of that hash you're sprouting? Just start up your own thread! Have a Coke & a smile & keep your show movin'. I'm done. Enjoy your evening. |
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kstrat said: violetblues said: Dude, something you don't want to hear is troll alert, lol tell me what's negative, stating the facts as they are known, or wallowing in some imaginary adolescent fantasy world,sometimes things are not bright and pretty as you like, does that mean we dont talk about them becasue you dont like the reality. lol I love The Time, i and a huge fan, ive seen them in concert countless times (at the local Indian Casinos (seriously!), they are a good band, I love them warts and all dude, dont be such a pussy. yea this is a cool place to visit and check out info on the music i like, but what exactly got your panties in a bunch anyway, get real dude butch up some too. [Edited 3/29/08 17:24pm] Wow...You're really stepping the line now. Feel free to toss off as many lame combacks as you like. Don't get indignant because you were called on what was in my opinion a B.S. post. I'm not going to stoop down to your level. (Eh..and what's up with the pseudo-macho posturing?) Simply put, that dreck you bought into the thread was not needed. It wasn't the least bit relevant to the topic of what made the band great. You can justfy your comments anyway you like. Thats your perogative. Your attempt to flex your "keyboard Muscles" is what I find so humorous. You don't know me so chill with personal insults. It's a clear sign of your lack of maturity & a sure fire way to get booted off the board. Is civility a term that doesn't register with you? You want to sling more of that hash you're sprouting? Just start up your own thread! Have a Coke & a smile & keep your show movin'. I'm done. Enjoy your evening.
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There always seems to be a consistent effort to belittle the MLPS musicians that aren't Prince on Prince.org. Its as if some people believe that by detracting from other members of the camp, that somehow gives Prince more credit and thereby makes him greater in their eyes. Maybe that IS the case for some.
There are a few things that I know to be true and trust more than any member on this board: 1. The Time was FULL of talent. Jessee, Jellybean, Jimmy & Terry,and Monte are ALL talented musicians and producers in their own right and have proven so on various occasions throughout their careers. Don't think so? Check the side projects they've done. Some people would be surprised at who they've worked with and what they've done. There's no getting around that - they have proven themselves to be much more than just "Prince automaton" like the picture some of the orgers here try to paint because it fits into their "Purple Rain" vision of how Prince's world worked. That was a facade created to be an illusion for people to fall for and it worked all too well. 2. Prince wasn't the only player on the Time's first two records. I don't care what any book says, any testimonial in print from anyone who has signed a gag form under Prince's employ or any of that other sh*t. I had a very relaible source tell me "what time it is" long before the internet and Prince.org was around. There are some things the Prince community just won't believe because it would wreck the dream. I'm not gonna reveal or debate anything on here, I'm just speaking from my own point of references. Everything you hear ain't everything you hear. That's all I'm saying. 3. Again, people like the Time because they are fun to see. For some of us, its part nostalgia, for some its just all about seeing a fun band. They could do their shows in their sleep and we all know it but we go to see them because they were FUN. That's "what so great" about them. They entertain their audience. | |
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"Get it up, get it up
I'll fuck you all nite! Get it up, get it up I'll fuck you all nite!" That's what makes them so great!  [Edited 3/30/08 13:47pm] 
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Alasseon said: woogiebear said: ummm.....let's see: 1)an AMAZING band-they used to mop the stage up with prince!!!!! 2)most have had amazing careers outside of the band a)jam & lewis b)jesse johnson c)morris day d)jellybean johnson e)monte moir 3)at this present time STILL a kickass band!!!! now ask yourself.....what's so great about your stupid ass question???? NOTHING!!!!!  I've got nothing but love for the Time, but outside of Prince World, the only members of the Time who did anything musically after Purple Rain were the guys who left the band. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. The average person barely knows that Prince did an album or two after Purple Rain. You think they will remember the Time? Morris Day is a talented comic actor. Not much of a singer. Never publicly played drums as far as the general public can see. Jesse Johnson, a great guitar player, best known for...the color pink, and a duet with Sly Stone. The Time, as a band, *does* play the same 1980's era hits. When was the last time you heard them on the radio? So, the original poster had a point. To the folks who don't know, who are the Time? [Edited 3/19/08 13:39pm] [Edited 3/19/08 13:42pm] Jesse was also known for his sensational debut solo album which at the time was the biggest selling album for a debut solo artist in 1985. As far as your dig at the time, what the hell are they supposed to play new kids on the block era 90's song? The time had 3 classic albums during the 80's and the fact that they were six song albums at the time is amazing. People respect the time because they were and are great live. When was the last time you heard hall & oates on the radio? That doesn't make them any less classic because they haven't been on the radio. Artists out today that you hear on the radio like donnell jones and raheem devaughn make decent studio albums but i've witnessed them performing without a live band and they sound like shit singing to studio tracks. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: Alasseon said: I've got nothing but love for the Time, but outside of Prince World, the only members of the Time who did anything musically after Purple Rain were the guys who left the band. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. The average person barely knows that Prince did an album or two after Purple Rain. You think they will remember the Time? Morris Day is a talented comic actor. Not much of a singer. Never publicly played drums as far as the general public can see. Jesse Johnson, a great guitar player, best known for...the color pink, and a duet with Sly Stone. The Time, as a band, *does* play the same 1980's era hits. When was the last time you heard them on the radio? So, the original poster had a point. To the folks who don't know, who are the Time? [Edited 3/19/08 13:39pm] [Edited 3/19/08 13:42pm] Jesse was also known for his sensational debut solo album which at the time was the biggest selling album for a debut solo artist in 1985. As far as your dig at the time, what the hell are they supposed to play new kids on the block era 90's song? The time had 3 classic albums during the 80's and the fact that they were six song albums at the time is amazing. People respect the time because they were and are great live. When was the last time you heard hall & oates on the radio? That doesn't make them any less classic because they haven't been on the radio. Artists out today that you hear on the radio like donnell jones and raheem devaughn make decent studio albums but i've witnessed them performing without a live band and they sound like shit singing to studio tracks. You're right about that. Now, where can a band go when they no longer fit the demographic of popular radio? Prince is barely remembered by the under 25 set, the Time are non-existent. The only way the Stones are remembered are through Scorsese documentaries. Bruce Springsteen can't get heard. Hall and Oates have all the chops they had before and more. What does an artist do when no one is buying records anymore? Some news outlet said the Number One artist last year was Soulja Boy. What kind of music scene IS this?  
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Heiress said: Fishnet's always been one of my favorites.
I would also add OAK TREE into that group. That is on top of so many great songs that The Time blew out of the water when they performed them live! The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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