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PrintableVINCENT said: EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said:[quoteMaybe the reason no one is mentioning it is because it's bullshit? Wendy has an amazing voice, if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing. What a waste of space you were at that concert.
pfff. If Wendy has a great voice then Bush is a pacificst. Wendy a great voice c'mon be objective just a minute.  Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people. | |
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EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said: EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said:[quoteMaybe the reason no one is mentioning it is because it's bullshit? Wendy has an amazing voice, if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing. What a waste of space you were at that concert.
pfff. If Wendy has a great voice then Bush is a pacificst. Wendy a great voice c'mon be objective just a minute. Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people.for real...sheeit, Wendy can SANG!  ***************************************************
Seems like the overly critical people are the sheep now days. It takes guts to admit that you like something. -Rdhull ...it ain't where ya from, it's where ya at... - Rakim | |
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wow...i think ladycabdriver just touched on something...i liked that post.
wendy and lisa's music and lyrics tends to be vague...even when they are addressing the painful death of Jonathan...there is still an emotional connection for the listener...Seal, Radiohead and Sade are other artist who come to mind...ambiguous (or esoteric) lyrics that allow for personal interpretation... I (imho) think Prince has gotten away from this type of songwriting..additionally gone are songs with narrative...Gone are the song's like Dorothy Parker, Rasberry Berett, Nikki or Sometimes It Snows... Now, thats not a bad thing per se...but for me, I cant really relate to what prince is singing about...Or I should for awhile there I couldnt..I almost felt alienated as a listener(from the Gold Album up to Rave...with a slight interlude during my drunken love of The Truth)... but, like ladycabdriver pointed out, The Rainbow Children is a nice return to form...I didnt buy into the album completly..I still feel his lyrics alienate me from appreciating it as a masterpiece...i really am excited about a new album from him...i just hope he wont make it a struggle to purchase..npgmc is a nightmare. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people.Wendy's voice was beautiful enough for Oscar Winning Director Barry Levinson to ask her to open his film, "The Toys"...So beautiful in fact, and so beautiful looking, that he asked her to appear in the opening sequence... | |
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SkletonKee said: EverlastingNow said: Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people.Wendy's voice was beautiful enough for Oscar Winning Director Barry Levinson to ask her to open his film, "The Toys"...So beautiful in fact, and so beautiful looking, that he asked her to appear in the opening sequence... yep; dressed as a cute xmas tree LOL. I'll never forget it. I was sitting in the theater with my friend, and as soon as her face came on the screen, I jumped up, dropping my popcorn: "THAT'S WENDY, THAT'S WENDY" I exclaimed. My friend was like "who the hell is Wendy"? LOL I looked at her like "if you dont know who SHE is u gotta problem" so I told her. She was like "ok well that's no reason to get excited" LOL ***************************************************
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EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said: EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said:[quoteMaybe the reason no one is mentioning it is because it's bullshit? Wendy has an amazing voice, if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing. What a waste of space you were at that concert.
pfff. If Wendy has a great voice then Bush is a pacificst. Wendy a great voice c'mon be objective just a minute. Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people.Like many others I know I think her voice is weak. Yes weak. You probably have no idea what a true great voice is but yes her voice is very average. Sorry I have just fucking 25 years of music behind me I'm not completely ignorant in terms of music. I meet everyday many girls who sing ten times better than her (with more depth, variety and emotions). In fact they are so good that her concerts are only full of Prince fans who secretly expect him to turn up on stage. I'm happy he moved on after 86. He had done everything he could do with the Revolution. It was time to create a masterpiece (sign) without them, to create a band better than the Revolution with Sheila E. Then he went through very bad years as an artist but after so many years at the top releasing an album every year and touring every year it had to be. It is just so trendy to say "Prince is not that good and even when he was good it wasn't really him." What I saw last week just proved me that this guy is a pure genius who as a musician ranks with the best black musicians of the last century. W&L are decent artists who just don't. | |
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VINCENT said: Like many others I know I think her voice is weak. Yes weak. You probably have no idea what a true great voice is but yes her voice is very average. Sorry I have just fucking 25 years of music behind me I'm not completely ignorant in terms of music. I meet everyday many girls who sing ten times better than her (with more depth, variety and emotions).
In fact they are so good that her concerts are only full of Prince fans who secretly expect him to turn up on stage. W&L are decent artists who just don't. okay...i know a couple more people who are better qualified then you at answering the wendy voice issue...lets see: bbking kdlang pearl jam meshell ndegleochello bonnie raitt lucinda williams seal aimee mann christopher penn neil finn sheryl crowe prince los lobos producer david kelly (ally mcbeal, the practice) Joel Schumacker Ben Affleck Matt Damon Sandra Bernhardt (in attendance at one of w&l last shows..does she count as a prince fan waiting to see prince???..she brought along with her Darlene from the Rosanne show...) Shiela E Kat Dyson (I ran into her at the last W&L show..does she count as one of those prince fans who are waiting for prince to come on stage?) all of these people have gone on record in praising wendy and lisa...soo, what you dont get..many others do. to each his own..  | |
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eroica29 said: Wendy & Lisa worked very hard on the material that finally ended up on Sign O the times, but they were credited for none of it!
This is a lie. | |
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VINCENT said: EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said: EverlastingNow said: VINCENT said:[quoteMaybe the reason no one is mentioning it is because it's bullshit? Wendy has an amazing voice, if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing. What a waste of space you were at that concert.
pfff. If Wendy has a great voice then Bush is a pacificst. Wendy a great voice c'mon be objective just a minute. Why in the HELL would I be objective when such a ignorant comment was made? Not even for a minute would I think that Wendy's voice was anything less than beautiful, which it is to me and to many other people.Like many others I know I think her voice is weak. Yes weak. You probably have no idea what a true great voice is but yes her voice is very average. Sorry I have just fucking 25 years of music behind me I'm not completely ignorant in terms of music. I meet everyday many girls who sing ten times better than her (with more depth, variety and emotions). In fact they are so good that her concerts are only full of Prince fans who secretly expect him to turn up on stage. I'm happy he moved on after 86. He had done everything he could do with the Revolution. It was time to create a masterpiece (sign) without them, to create a band better than the Revolution with Sheila E. Then he went through very bad years as an artist but after so many years at the top releasing an album every year and touring every year it had to be. It is just so trendy to say "Prince is not that good and even when he was good it wasn't really him." What I saw last week just proved me that this guy is a pure genius who as a musician ranks with the best black musicians of the last century. W&L are decent artists who just don't. No idea what a great voice is?? Who the fuck are you now Quincy Jones? You don't know a damn thing about me or what I listen to, and big deal you've got 25 of music behind you what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING. You're talking here like I don't Prince and what's happened in his career, I've been there since 1979 and have seen him go thru ALL of his bands and phases. So, please don't think you're going to school me in the subject of Prince, cause if that's what time it is, sit down son and you WILL be schooled.  | |
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more people who praise wendy and lisa:
tchad blake scritti pollitti verucca salt roy orbison dionne farris bobby z doyle bramhall ii wait (is it kat dawson or kat dyson?? the x-npg chick?hmmm) joni mitchell the list goes on and on and on and on... | |
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AaronForever said:[quote]Didn't I spank you hard enough on the lawsuit thread? Do I really need to do it again? Is that what you want? Because you are so wrong about so many things. I hope you aren't a parent. The poor child would grow up so fucking ignorant.
I glad you felt good about something you imagined. I don't really recognize the people who post because my life's not here...neither is my body. I don't even know what your're talking about... And my children wouldn't be crying because "Dad" lived his Life on a computer. Did you tell your kids ...(if in fact some sad imbecile actually produced a kid with you without claiming "accident") Again.Do you tell your kids, "Go away...Daddy/Mommy's kicking someone's a$$ on the 'net?!!" Pay attention to what's important.. Before your kids shoot somebody... | |
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After reading Ice9's original post I realized...
I'm not taking anything back or apologizing!! [Heh-heh] Again: Where were you when Wendy & Lisa actually had a "real" record deal? You let their CDs go "Double Lead" while Prince was still scoring Platinum?!! Why are you not crying for them to tour the US with or without Neil Finn? I respect Ice9's opinion...I feel that most of the people who believes in "Wendy & Lisa > Prince" so often "flame" Prince here for several reasons that have nothing to do with Wendy & Lisa's music. Notice: I did not attack W & L personally...Go back and read.. I just cut through the crap of the "Wendy and Lisa's Better" declarations. Why? Because I've read them before and often these views are not based on their musical merit. Ice9 left a gap (without details etc.) in his agruement. His posting of this thread seemed similar to these "Irrational, Obsessive, Ranters" here..Too many "empty declarations" to rage Prince fams. Most of these people reside "Glass Cages" with their "opinions". Why are Wendy and Lisa better? I've seen threads like this too often. Why? Because you didn't receive your "ONA-Live Today"? Why are the basis for their arguements based on how: a) Prince treated them b) Prince treated W & L c) Prince yanking your friend's site? Ice9 has his opinions, but I had say what I've seen.. "People who hate Prince and won't leave Prince.org" If Ice9 feels that W & L are better, I have no choice but to live with it.. I stated my reasons for most of the people who post threads like this here... (I gave them what they wanted) ....to Associated Artist... If the thread was originated in Associated Artist, I would've been less passionate.. I rarely fly-off like without some reasoning... Even my intenions were not to start a racial fire here, I had to state why people post things like Ice9 did... They like Prince, but they want to paint their picture based on their "disgust" of his current ways. I don't agree with everything he does. These people want to compare Prince with W&L without: song comparisons, lyrics, chart listing? WTH? Who's this site dedicated to anyway? I don't hate W&L. I loved Wendy's guitar on Sheryl Crows's " My Favorite Mistake".. I stayed up to watch Sheryl perform with her on The Tonight Show (and I do not watch Leno regularly) Like these detractors assume faults about Prince, I do them. I say they don't like that he questioned the racial equality of the WB and recording industry. I say they don't like that he's shutting down the website of booters who often happen to be white guys..(They didn't slam Lars from Metallica for his views..Or the guy who produced the Grammy's for his speech this year) Do I need to provide evidence that some posters say "Prince can't say this because he's African American"? Maybe so, but we'll be waiting forever because no one's going to tell you that they have racist, selfish, psychologically-tainted motivations while posting "opinions" like this. I made an assumption (1 out of 4 or 5) in my original response in the thread that I hope is wrong... I'm not the only one who makes assumptons here.. If you fall into the catagories I mentioned, then you must be heated.. Why? Your cover is blown. Wah....Wah.....Wah... [This message was edited Fri Oct 11 18:37:55 PDT 2002 by NGSPW7200] | |
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Finally...
I'll admit 1 mistake for you... "b) Spoiled Caucasian fans who actually like the inclusion of a more white/pop/rock influence in P's sound (which is reasonable). was meant to be... b) Caucasian fans who actually like the inclusion of a more white/pop/rock influence in P's sound (which is reasonable). Of course "Spoiled Caucasians" wouldn't be a reasonable group... [Good ol' copy and paste...heh-heh] and The reason for the insertion of "Caucasian" is because I felt that the term "White" is more racially offensive sometimes..(Excluding Irish, Scottish, Italian, etc.. "Whites" have ethnic heritages as well..) | |
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Well,will Prince ever work with them again? What about the Roadhouse Blues album? Also, is there a Question over money that is the problem? Did he ever try to get them back? Does he want to and are they asking for too much money? What is the real reason or is it that they are mad at him over the break-up or the break-up with Susannah? What is the Real Story behind everything??? | |
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NGSPW7200 said: After reading Ice9's original post I realized...
I'm not taking anything back or apologizing!! [Heh-heh] Again: Where were you when Wendy & Lisa actually had a "real" record deal? You let their CDs go "Double Lead" while Prince was still scoring Platinum?!! Why are you not crying for them to tour the US with or without Neil Finn? I respect Ice9's opinion...I feel that most of the people who believes in "Wendy & Lisa > Prince" so often "flame" Prince here for several reasons that have nothing to do with Wendy & Lisa's music. Notice: I did not attack W & L personally...Go back and read.. I just cut through the crap of the "Wendy and Lisa's Better" declarations. Why? Because I've read them before and often these views are not based on their musical merit. Ice9 left a gap (without details etc.) in his agruement. His posting of this thread seemed similar to these "Irrational, Obsessive, Ranters" here..Too many "empty declarations" to rage Prince fams. Most of these people reside "Glass Cages" with their "opinions". Why are Wendy and Lisa better? I've seen threads like this too often. while i commend you for your honesty..i must clarify something...this has been the *only* thread *ever* created like this...there is very little discussion about wendy and lisa beyond an occasional reference within other threads...wendy and lisa online fans rarely *ever* visit this site...ive tried over and over to get them to post here...but, sadly this thread is evident of the harsh criticism they are treated with... you ask where were wendy and lisa fans when they actually had a contract? you might not know this but, they did have huge following outside of the United States. They appeared on Top of The Charts in the UK twice...they did two world tours and are still popular in Japan (hence a special edition of Girlbros being released there)...The reason why they changed from Columbia Records to Virgin had to do with suit changes...They were embraced and supported by Virgin afterwards and there was no disappointment in record sales by the label..the albums success overseas warranted an additional world tour..(I will concede that the american public has shown very lil interested in Wendy and Lisa...despite a top 40 hit in waterfalls and a top 100 entry for Closing Of The Year)...Virgin is the label that *paid* for the special collector's edition of Eroica..You don't do something like that for a "going nowhere" act...Unfortunately management changed after Eroica and the new suits had difficulty with finding a sellable nitch for the girls..rather then conforming their sounds, Wendy and Lisa & Virgin decided to severe their relationship... No fighting...No getting the fans involved..just an amicable business agreement... After that...wendy and lisa signed with Trevor Horns record label..It was Trevor that refused to release any work..It took them SEVEN years w/ Trevor before Wendy and Lisa had had enough and they were able to get out of their contract with Trevor...SEVEN YEARS!!! After that, Wendy and Lisa were scheduled to produce Dionna Farris' new release when suddenly Jonathan died...The pain was too much for them and they stopped making music... It wasn't until they started dealing with that pain that they felt compelled to create the beautiful work that is now on Girlbros (with a couple carry overs from their work with Trevor)... Don't think for a second that Wendy and Lisa were'nt persude by labels..but for them, it was too awkward to use a record studio to sell something soo personal...so they decided to go it on their own... of note: Wendy and Lisa have been courted by Universal Records *AND* Dreamworks...but the girls want to stay true to their art...so they have rejected all offers...Now, im not saying all this to make the girls look like indie heroes...Other artist have done the same before and after, A Defranco, Aimme Mann... but to say that the girls albums flopped or that they suck because they cant find a label just isn't true...If that were the case, why is it that all of their albums are being or have been re-issued? and why is it a new compilation pops up every couple years? somebody is buying these albums... wendy and lisa just aren't interested in being rock stars anymore..they make their music, for the people who want to hear it...they don't blame the record industry..they don't blame anybody...they just go on making music and living their lives... turn the edit inside out!!! [This message was edited Fri Oct 11 18:47:01 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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Here's another assumption for you..
Some of thses folks hate Prince for something they know nothing about: his relationship with Sussanah, Wendy, and Lisa... Yeah, I read the interview... Many people have problems mixing "business with pleasure" and "love with work". At least the man had the integrity to admit them and ask for their forgiveness, publically.. He tried to piece it together, but they're still frowning.. According to Neil Finn (Crowded House), W & L stated that they left a possible reunion rehearsal (with everyone else in The Revolution there) because Prince's representative (he did attend rehearsal) mentioned that he wanted a Prayer and Bible Study Session before they play.. I will say this: Prince should'nt expect The Revolution to reunite under the same religion after so long apart.. He should not have called for one at all if he felt that they should be on the "same page" spritually and morally. He knew they were Lesbians beforehand. I'm speaking of a thread here that mentioned that he "expected" W&L to renounced their homosexuality before a reunion could proceed. Here's what I assume about W & L: They are being as cryptic and unreal as Mr. Nelson. I don't believe that, "Prince hasn't contacted us" stuff after someone mentioned (on the Org) a report that Wendy visited Paisley in 1999. I don't believe that it's a coincidence that they fly to Australia every June. I don't think that they will ever appear to perform at Paisley. I don't believe that they want to be known as being "on his side" regarding the Fight with The WB. I feel that both sides want a total commitment to the others plan. It's a "Tug O' War" that lasted too long to save the save The Revolution. [This message was edited Fri Oct 11 19:01:35 PDT 2002 by NGSPW7200] [This message was edited Thu Nov 28 11:16:29 PST 2002 by NGSPW7200] | |
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a couple more comments...
i have attended one wendy and lisa show..it was at the Roxy in LA (96??)...there was a rainbow colored crowd...im black, and im not looking for a more "pop" inspired prince...i enjoyed TRC...but I think Prince can do much better... Prince doesnt sell like Prince anymore...I think Prince, wendy and lisa could care less about record sells, *now*. Back in the day, im sure Wendy and Lisa wanted to be big...just like Prince was chasing the latest trends to stay on top... Wendy and Lisa lacked success in the United States because their music doesn't fit a genre...This was the concerns from the *new suits* who took over Columbia and Virgin..It *never* had to do with artistic creed...All of Wendy and Lisa's albums have been universally heralded by critics and musicians...read the above lists that I have mentioned...those people have sought the talent of the girls...so to call them session musicians is just a tad undervaluing their gifts... others who have praised the girls: lenny kravitz cindy lauper william orbit guru nelle hoooper eric clapton in a recent online interview, Aimee Mann was asked what she thought about wendy and lisa..she replied something like "they are awesome musicians..I've always appreciated them.." when then asked if she had or would ever work with them, she said: "you know...i would seriously love to...I think that would be wonderful"... these are the types of discussions that Wendy and Lisa fans share...a fond respect...a fond love for great music...that type of discussion or mutual appreciation is lacking on prince.org. this place is extremely bitter...and that bitterness has been created by prince himself..the way he treats his fans...the way he interacts with his fans... when I met wendy and lisa in Catalina they were two normal people...we held an awesome short conversation but never did i feel like they were unapproachable...their management would notify their online community of any updates..even when prince fans emailed questions, they would respond to them...its that accessibility that has made being a wendy and lisa fan enjoyable...and conversely, why soo many of their fans refuse to hang out in this place... while prince preaches "all negativity bows"...its in complete contrast to the culture that permeates here... sorry to say it, but its true... | |
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NGSPW7200 said: According to Neil Finn (Crowded House), W & L stated that they left a possible reunion rehearsal (with everyone else in The Revolution there) because Prince's representative (he did attend rehearsal) mentioned that he wanted a Prayer and Bible Study Session before they play..
I'm speaking of a thread here that mentioned that he "expected" W&L to renounced their homosexuality before a reunion could proceed. please dont take rumors that are posted here as facts..you completly are misquoting what Neil Finn said...And just because someone created a thread, it doesnt make it a fact... Wendy and Lisa NEVER were part of a reunion rehearsal.. | |
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Didn't I say supposedly?
If I didn't, I meant to... I guess you're the Mad one? eh? Did you attack the person who posted it? Uh... Anyway, If its a rumor, I'm glad... That just goes to show you...You can't believe everything negative posted about Prince here anyway... This evidence supports my previous postings, but you know this already.. Isn't this why you are angry with me? Prove to me that this is not so. If it is not, shrug it-off! I'm gone from this thread... If any of these hipocritical "Net-Rambos" want to follow my posts another week, then they can do so. | |
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VINCENT said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Tom said: You and the 4 other remaining NPGMC members next year can share that opinion. "She Wants A Place In Heaven", "In All My Dreams" and other gems he recorded are leagues above stink bombs like TRC, Rave, and other worthless albums hes released lately. Ha! These are the two songs that opened my eyes to the fact that not all of the songs in the vault need to be released. And that W&L's input into some of Prince's music sucked rocks. . [This message was edited Fri Oct 11 5:06:03 PDT 2002 by Ifsixwuz9] Absolutely...but you see for many ex prince fans you play the worst song ever and you just mention it's from 195-86 and their immediate reaction is "waoow wonderful...masterpiece" and so on. Place in Heaver and Girls of my dreams are perfect examples of two very average songs totally overrated by fans. 'Worst Song Ever', does the conversation stop the moment you throw down your almighty opinion? 'I Think Your Comments Are Fucking Stupid', how considerate. Prince doesnt seem like such a fuckhead when you compare him to some of his neurotic listeners. | |
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SkletonKee,
Babyface and his wife,Tracy Edmonds, hired Wendy & Lisa to create the score for their Production Company's Movies, "Soul Food" and "Hav Plenty". Strings and all... They have some great collaborations with Me'Shell (of course) They have a life outside of the Prince circle that so many "Prince vs. Wendy, Lisa, and Sussanah" folks fail to recognize, or mention. Because they are so focused on their time with Prince, they only hope that the lies of him ripping them off and mistreating them are true. They don't know as much about W & L as they claim.. (just enough to fit into their anti-Prince rants) This message is my last post here. | |
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NGSPW7200 said: SkletonKee,
Babyface and his wife,Tracy Edmonds, hired Wendy & Lisa to create the score for their Production Company's Movies, "Soul Food" and "Hav Plenty". Strings and all... They have some great collaborations with Me'Shell (of course) They have a life outside of the Prince circle that so many "Prince vs. Wendy, Lisa, and Sussanah" folks fail to recognize, or mention. Because they are so focused on their time with Prince, they only hope that the lies of him ripping them off and mistreating them are true. They don't know as much about W & L as they claim.. (just enough to fit into their anti-Prince rants) This message is my last post here. well, thanks for reminding me about their score contributions...but, for me, thats a sore subject..while i have heard and loved all of their scores, i think they have painted themselves into a rut..most of the films are genre films that are god aweful...juwanna mann? 
it would benefit them to stick with Ben and Matt...or work the indie crowd...i know its a source of income for them but i hope they really do start to consider the quality of the film when taking on projects... | |
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I seriously gotta tell ya fans you gotta realize something all the Musicians that have played with Prince were and are Great,because Prince only plays with the Best. Why Wendy and Lisa aren't bigger than they are who knows,but Prince will always change directions and sound and why ? Because he wants New Ideas,New Sounds,New Directions. He could have kept the Revolution who were wonderful or even the Sign O The Times or NPG bands. Everybody was and is Great. I would never say this person is better and so and so. Prince just wanted Difference. Don't you think that's Cool? I sure Do! Of course I wanna see him act some of the same old ways cause he was so Wild and all. But He'll always be Gorgeous,Fine,Talented and Hot. And even if he Never ,Ever does the same thing again or acts Wild I for one will always respect his Choices. Just that maybe I can't 100% be on that wavelength cause I'm not him. We are Ourselves and he can try to change us into more Religious people like Christ and all,but really there are some people that don't believe. Jewish fans don't believe in Christ and what about Buddists and you just have so many different Ethnic groups,Spiritual groups and Sexuality. People are not gonna change and Homosexuals are not gonna become Straight and I would never condemn a Person for Sexual Orientation. All fans are Wonderful ! As long as they are into Prince and his Music they are Cool. Prince is Cool and he does Not Discriminate. | |
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gooeythehamster said: Supernova said: Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.
:O Prince IS? Think again. Prince IS what? Visionary and able to sustain a career going on a quarter of a century, and continue to get even his most agitated, disgruntled fans to shell out $100+ to see him live? By golly, yes. Sorry you missed it. I think quite well, thanks. 
IfSixWuz9 said: Supernova said: Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.
  Saved me from having to go on a rant. I respect Wendy & Lisa as studio musicians, because I respect musicians in general. But studio musicians are a different animals than self-contained recording artists. The skills involved usually aren't the same. I don't think this case is different in that respect, and their career reflects that.
EverlastingNow said: And John Blackwell didn't do anything for Prince's sound that Michael B. didn't do 12 years ago. Michael was the one who brought that big juicy drum sound to Prince's music, and I feel he was a much better drummer than Blackwell. Take away the stick twirling and he's got nothing on Bland.
That's quite silly and over the top. Even for a Prince fan. EverlastingNow said: Wendy has an amazing voice,
if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing.
John Blackwell is a great drummer, just because you don't like his drumming doesn't mean he's not a great drummer. VINCENT said: It is just so trendy to say "Prince is not that good and even when he was good it wasn't really him." What I saw last week just proved me that this guy is a pure genius who as a musician ranks with the best black musicians of the last century.
I'd say ranks with the best musicians of the last century. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: gooeythehamster said: Supernova said: Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.
:O Prince IS? Think again. Prince IS what? Visionary and able to sustain a career going on a quarter of a century, and continue to get even his most agitated, disgruntled fans to shell out $100+ to see him live? By golly, yes. Sorry you missed it. I think quite well, thanks.
IfSixWuz9 said: Supernova said: Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.
Saved me from having to go on a rant. I respect Wendy & Lisa as studio musicians, because I respect musicians in general. But studio musicians are a different animals than self-contained recording artists. The skills involved usually aren't the same. I don't think this case is different in that respect, and their career reflects that.
EverlastingNow said: And John Blackwell didn't do anything for Prince's sound that Michael B. didn't do 12 years ago. Michael was the one who brought that big juicy drum sound to Prince's music, and I feel he was a much better drummer than Blackwell. Take away the stick twirling and he's got nothing on Bland.
That's quite silly and over the top. Even for a Prince fan. Nothing silly or over the top about it actually, and I totally stick with my point of Bland being just as good of drummer as Blackwell. Even for a Prince fan? Kinda weak, don't you think? 
EverlastingNow said: Wendy has an amazing voice,
if you just don't like it, that don't MEAN she can't sing.
John Blackwell is a great drummer, just because you don't like his drumming doesn't mean he's not a great drummer. Again, I didn't say I didn't like his drumming, as a drummer I think he's great. But is he doing something so different than Bland did? Not really. VINCENT said: It is just so trendy to say "Prince is not that good and even when he was good it wasn't really him." What I saw last week just proved me that this guy is a pure genius who as a musician ranks with the best black musicians of the last century.
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Supernova said: I respect Wendy & Lisa as studio musicians, because I respect musicians in general. But studio musicians are a different animals than self-contained recording artists. The skills involved usually aren't the same. I don't think this case is different in that respect, and their career reflects that.
are you basing this statement simply on record sales? and record sales in america? if so..read my last couple of posts please.. and when did record sales have anything to do with being an artist? im not calling this out on you because Im not sure you have used this as a defense but...You can't call Prince's record sales as irrelavent and then say its the reason wendy and lisa arent self-contained artist...expecially when they have released 5 albums (plus one unreleased *and* another one on the way)... | |
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EverlastingNow said: And John Blackwell didn't do anything for Prince's sound that Michael B. didn't do 12 years ago. Michael was the one who brought that big juicy drum sound to Prince's music, and I feel he was a much better drummer than Blackwell. Take away the stick twirling and he's got nothing on Bland.
I said: That's quite silly and over the top. Even for a Prince fan.
EverlastingNow said: Nothing silly or over the top about it actually, and I totally stick with my point of Bland being just as good of drummer as Blackwell. Even for a Prince fan? Kinda weak, don't you think?
1. It is quite silly to try and minimize Blackwell's drumming because of something flashy he added to his arsenal. It's the equivalent of saying take away Hendrix's playing with his teeth and he has nothing on Clapton. 2. Nothing weaker than that. EverlastingNow said:[quote] Supernova said: Wendy has an amazing voice,
Ooohh. Touchy about this subject, I see. Sad to see you're taking it so personally. EverlastingNow said: Again, I didn't say I didn't like his drumming, as a drummer I think he's great. But is he doing something so different than Bland did? Not really.
Yes, but if you can't hear or understand that then I don't think I can help you out. Suffice it to say: Vincent is right about Blackwell's influence on his music. SkletonKee said: are you basing this statement simply on record sales?
When have I EVER said anything about record sales concerning Wendy & Lisa??? Jeeezzz.This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said:
I respect Wendy & Lisa as studio musicians, because I respect musicians in general. But studio musicians are a different animals than self-contained recording artists. The skills involved usually aren't the same. I don't think this case is different in that respect, and their career reflects that. and When have I EVER said anything about record sales concerning Wendy & Lisa??? Jeeezzz. and i was only asking for clarification on what that post meant...so please respond sans the "jeezz" and the attitude emoticans...im not being a nep2unes ass about my inquiry...just trying to gain a better understanding of of what your thinking...mmm-kkay?  | |
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(just a lil repost with an update..since some of you all seem to think that record contracts are the key to being an artist.. )
you ask where were wendy and lisa fans when they actually had a contract? you might not know this but, they did have huge following outside of the United States. They appeared on Top of The Charts in the UK twice...they did two world tours and are still popular in Japan (hence a special edition of Girlbros being released there)...The reason why they changed from Columbia Records to Virgin had to do with suit changes...They were embraced and supported by Virgin afterwards and there was no disappointment in record sales by the label..the albums success overseas warranted an additional world tour..(I will concede that the american public has shown very lil interested in Wendy and Lisa...despite a top 40 hit in waterfalls and a top 100 entry for Closing Of The Year)...Virgin is the label that *paid* for the special collector's edition of Eroica..You don't do something like that for a "going nowhere" act...Unfortunately management changed after Eroica and the new suits had difficulty with finding a sellable nitch for the girls..rather then conforming their sounds, Wendy and Lisa & Virgin decided to severe their relationship... No fighting...No getting the fans involved..just an amicable business agreement... After that...wendy and lisa signed with Trevor Horns record label..It was Trevor that refused to release any work..It took them SEVEN years w/ Trevor before Wendy and Lisa had had enough and they were able to get out of their contract with Trevor...SEVEN YEARS!!! After that, Wendy and Lisa were scheduled to produce Dionna Farris' new release when suddenly Jonathan died...The pain was too much for them and they stopped making music... It wasn't until they started dealing with that pain that they felt compelled to create the beautiful work that is now on Girlbros (with a couple carry overs from their work with Trevor)... Don't think for a second that Wendy and Lisa were'nt persude by labels..but for them, it was too awkward to use a record studio to sell something soo personal...so they decided to go it on their own... of note: Wendy and Lisa have been courted by Universal Records *AND* Dreamworks...but the girls want to stay true to their art...so they have rejected all offers...Now, im not saying all this to make the girls look like indie heroes...Other artist have done the same before and after, A Defranco, Aimme Mann... but to say that the girls albums flopped or that they suck because they cant find a label just isn't true...If that were the case, why is it that all of their albums are being or have been re-issued? and why is it a new compilation pops up every couple years? somebody is buying these albums... wendy and lisa just aren't interested in being rock stars anymore..they make their music, for the people who want to hear it...they don't blame the record industry..they don't blame anybody...they just go on making music and living their lives... and lucky for me, they are planning on releasing a new album...cant wait to hear it!!! there ahead is edit lake..... [This message was edited Sun Oct 13 12:39:32 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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SkletonKee said: you ask where were wendy and lisa fans when they actually had a contract? you might not know this but, they did have huge following outside of the United States. They appeared on Top of The Charts in the UK twice...they did two world tours and are still popular in Japan (hence a special edition of Girlbros being released there)...The reason why they changed from Columbia Records to Virgin had to do with suit changes...They were embraced and supported by Virgin afterwards and there was no disappointment in record sales by the label..the albums success overseas warranted an additional world tour..(I will concede that the american public has shown very lil interested in Wendy and Lisa...despite a top 40 hit in waterfalls and a top 100 entry for Closing Of The Year)...Virgin is the label that *paid* for the special collector's edition of Eroica..You don't do something like that for a "going nowhere" act...Unfortunately management changed after Eroica and the new suits had difficulty with finding a sellable nitch for the girls..rather then conforming their sounds, Wendy and Lisa & Virgin decided to severe their relationship...
Don't forget "Are U my baby", wasn't that a huge R&b hit? [This message was edited Sat Oct 12 16:46:38 PDT 2002 by LadyCabDriver] ***************************************************
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