rdhull said:

I've actually never heard anything like that about Wendy. I know people who met her during the Parade era and they always said the same thing, she treated everyone like they were her closest friend. I know for a fact that none of the Revolution were too excited about Prince adding "Pips" to the Revolution. I know when I seen the Parade tour I was wishing they'd get out of Brownmark's way.

Wendy & Lisa worked very hard on the material that finally ended up on Sign O the times, but they were credited for none of it!

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Their influence on his music is obvious, as well as the void in his music after they left.

Prince always seems to write songs that sound like a Prince song. His work has become painfully complacent and self referential in recent years. He's simply going through the motions.

Wendy & Lisa have maintined a great deal of integrity in their work because they write songs that reflect themselves at that moment, not "Wendy & Lisa". They're not worried about building upon their persona, they just write whatever touches them.

eroica29 said:

Prince erased their input..and SOTT is still regarded as his best.

Basically because alot of the Prince PT Lover-Haters and Jealous Obsessives, who have certain traits in common with Wendy & Lisa, want them to be...

These are same folks who are waiting for ONA Live Tracks, but say Bruce Springsteen is better live...

It's only Bitterness ...

Prince was a "Ghost Writer" on most of their earlier work and I hear his influence. I also am not such an "Irrational Hater" of Wendy & Lisa to realize that Lisa has influenced Prince's piano playing and classical music interests.

Now with that being said, most "W & L are better than Prince" Folks usually are these people:

a) Spoiled Caucasian fans who are bitter at P for his new stance on race (what really has changed?), Religion, and Politics.

b) Spoiled Caucasian fans who actually like the inclusion of a more white/pop/rock influence in P's sound
(which is reasonable).

c) Spoiled Caucasian and other fans who want Prince to shut-up because he is an artist of African American Heritage suing over the boots they want to make money from. He really doesn't care about the Unreleased and Pre-95(WB) stuff anymore, but no...These leeches want to suck-off of his own Live Release (that most asked for).. These people have the audacity to claim that Prince is Spoiled when they just aren't selling to a few of their fellow fams. They are making an entire industry off of boots of the same current releases of Prince that they abhore(hate).. Boot Wendy and Lisa! Some true honesty could be golden.

What did your parents tell you? An African American cannot dismiss two artists who want to leave his group? To allow these artists to take his influence on them and capitalize off of Craze that was The "Minneapolis Sound"? He did them a favor(at the time). He was "The Boss!" Can he be "The Boss?" Uh..No..The Boss is Bruce Springsteen. Oh, Bruce dropped The E Street Band for nearly 17 years!

Hipocrites...Some things will never change..

Where were you when Wendy & Lisa actually had a "real" record deal?

You let their CDs go "Double Lead" while Prince was still scoring Platinum?!!


d) Spoiled Idiots of any Ethnicity who are living their Sexual Lives vicariously through Prince...They really don't love "His Artistic Quality". These people seem really superficial and self-centered.

e) Spoiled Dolts of any Race who want to re-invent Purple Rain..over...and... over... They want to believe that Puppet Scene in Purple Rain between Wendy & Lisa...


While attending High School, a Caucasian student told me that, "Prince wasn't doing anything worthwhile after W&L left". She forgot to mention Dr.Fink, (Morris Day, Prince's Father, Eric Leeds, Brownmark, Andre Cymone, Dez, who I felt as a much of a hand in Prince's development...)

Then I asked her "How many of Wendy & Lisa CD's do you own?"

You don't need to guess her answer ...

You might not like what I have to say, but it's more truthful than your false declarations of love for "Wendy & Lisa". Please don't use them (and their time with Prince) to serve your wicket hipocritial opinions of Prince's music.

You don't love Wendy & Lisa. You love jealousy, and hate.
They were a "great cog" in The Machine that was Prince and The Revolution (Get over it). If they did'nt enjoy their time with Prince, they should have left earlier (No Grammies, exposure, or movie). Gayle Chapman did.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 10 10:44:49 PDT 2002 by NGSPW7200]

Prince was a "Ghost Writer" on most of their earlier work and I hear his influence.

well he took there vocals off, that was all.

EverlastingNow said:

Well asccording to certain published books the way it went down was one night her and Lisa broke it down to Prince that they didnt like the direction the band etc was going..ice his friends. Now she may have had a point but this was Princes thing...dont get made a star and then trip on somoene elses thing. Yeah yeah yeah, they helped create his thing.

All I know is that Prince created the masterpieces Dirty Mind, Controversy, and 1999 without Wendy or Lisa's input. So to say that Prince is nothing without their influence is ignorant shit. And that's not to mention the great things that Prince alone brought to our ears after they left, like the Black Album, symbol, Gold Experience, The Truth, and Rainbow Children...

All of these albums I personally find infinitely more enjoyable than any of Wendy and Lisa's albums. Sorry, just don't dig their stuff...

You don't have to say it to imply it. And I wasn't calling out anybody in particular- except for maybe people who think any of Wendy and Lisa's albums are superior to anything Prince has done since '88. But it's all opinions anyway.

Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.

Tom said:

Void? What void? Th e D&P void..the Gold void? The Lovesexy void? The SOTT void? Huh? There may be a void for bandwagoners who came to love PR the album and movie and thats all they were concerned about...you mean that void?




Come on--W&L dont sound like W&L?



They have that luxury not to be knee deep in the biz...and when Prince does create what he feels in "his moment" people complain. Stop this.

Basically because alot of the Prince PT Lover-Haters and Jealous Obsessives, who have certain traits in common with Wendy & Lisa, want them to be...

These are same folks who are waiting for ONA Live Tracks, but say Bruce Springsteen is better live...

It's only Bitterness ...

Prince was a "Ghost Writer" on most of their earlier work and I hear his influence. I also am not such an "Irrational Hater" of Wendy & Lisa to realize that Lisa has influenced Prince's piano playing and classical music interests.

Now with that being said, most "W & L are better than Prince" Folks usually are these people:

a) Spoiled Caucasian fans who are bitter at P for his new stance on race (what really has changed?), Religion, and Politics.

b) Spoiled Caucasian fans who actually like the inclusion of a more white/pop/rock influence in P's sound
(which is reasonable).

c) Spoiled Caucasian and other fans who want Prince to shut-up because he is an artist of African American Heritage suing over the boots they want to make money from. He really doesn't care about the Unreleased and Pre-95(WB) stuff anymore, but no...These leeches want to suck-off of his own Live Release (that most asked for).. These people have the audacity to claim that Prince is Spoiled when they just aren't selling to a few of their fellow fams. They are making an entire industry off of boots of the same current releases of Prince that they abhore(hate).. Boot Wendy and Lisa! Some true honesty could be golden.

What did your parents tell you? An African American cannot dismiss two artists who want to leave his group? To allow these artists to take his influence on them and capitalize off of Craze that was The "Minneapolis Sound"? He did them a favor(at the time). He was "The Boss!" Can he be "The Boss?" Uh..No..The Boss is Bruce Springsteen. Oh, Bruce dropped The E Street Band for nearly 17 years!

Hipocrites...Some things will never change..

Where were you when Wendy & Lisa actually had a "real" record deal?

You let their CDs go "Double Lead" while Prince was still scoring Platinum?!!


d) Spoiled Idiots of any Ethnicity who are living their Sexual Lives vicariously through Prince...They really don't love "His Artistic Quality". These people seem really superficial and self-centered.

e) Spoiled Dolts of any Race who want to re-invent Purple Rain..over...and... over... They want to believe that Puppet Scene in Purple Rain between Wendy & Lisa...


While attending High School, a Caucasian student told me that, "Prince wasn't doing anything worthwhile after W&L left". She forgot to mention Dr.Fink, (Morris Day, Prince's Father, Eric Leeds, Brownmark, Andre Cymone, Dez, who I felt as a much of a hand in Prince's development...)

Then I asked her "How many of Wendy & Lisa CD's do you own?"

You don't need to guess her answer ...

You might not like what I have to say, but it's more truthful than your false declarations of love for "Wendy & Lisa". Please don't use them (and their time with Prince) to serve your wicket hipocritial opinions of Prince's music.

You don't love Wendy & Lisa. You love jealousy, and hate.
They were a "great cog" in The Machine that was Prince and The Revolution (Get over it). If they did'nt enjoy their time with Prince, they should have left earlier (No Grammies, exposure, or movie). Gayle Chapman did.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 10 10:44:49 PDT 2002 by NGSPW7200]

I have just been listening to Wendy and Lisa's great albums "Eroica" and "Girl Bros" and was struck by how much better they are than Prince's recent output.

Wendy and Lisa really seem to have been responsible for a great deal of the cool little touches in Prince's music when they were in the band. He was not the same after they left... it is not that he started to suck when they left, but there were a lot of melodic ideas and things that changed. I believe that they wrote or contributed a TON of things that were never credited to them.

Wendy and Lisa can't seem to get a break and don't sell many records, but their music is very heartfelt, creative and interesting.

Damn it... where are you SkeletonKee??? I need some backup on this one.

BTW: Skeleton Key is the funkiest song on "Eroica" in my opinion.

. Songs like Mountains, Sometimes it Snows in April and Power Fantastic where they actually wrote the music, you can hear that "sound" of theirs.

Eroica is better than any Prince album since 1988.

All I know is that Prince created the masterpieces Dirty Mind, Controversy, and 1999 without Wendy or Lisa's input. So to say that Prince is nothing without their influence is ignorant shit. And that's not to mention the great things that Prince alone brought to our ears after they left, like the Black Album, symbol, Gold Experience, The Truth, and Rainbow Children...

All of these albums I personally find infinitely more enjoyable than any of Wendy and Lisa's albums. Sorry, just don't dig their stuff...

Iceman, I dig ya, but Wendy and Lisa are glorified studio musicians that don't have the vision to sustain a recording career of any sort of longevity.

IceNine said:

I think their material is very very...FLAT. They are totally overrated. Wendy's voice is weak. They are good musicians but could never come up with stuff like Sign O the Times or Rainbow Children that Prince produced, composed and arranged himself. People like you like to exagerate their influence on Prince's music and that's kinda annoying.

Now I'm a bit bored with I'm a bit the debate "Prince is crap + Wendy & Lisa were the talents behind Prince". Apparently you have never seen them on stage too...zzzZZZ

I'm just back from one of the Prince shows in the UK and quite frankly when I see what Prince does on stage right now I think your comments are fucking stupid.

When Prince wrote Mountains and sometimes it snows in April he hadn't seen the Revolution for 6 months. They were a few thousand miles away from him He was in Nice on the french riviera and gave the Revolution the songs he had written just before getting in the studio (he had recorded most of the album himself already).

Now again having seen the shows in London. Take Maceo Parker, Renato, John Blacwell they have a much BETTER influence on Prince's music than Wendy & Lisa ever did. Simply the band he has right now is the best he ever had. Moreover Prince is a much more accomplished musician nowadays than Wendy & Lisa. If you want to hear a HUGE influence in Prince's music listen to the Rainbow Children and listen to John Blackwell. The guy changed Prince's approach to music completely. And that's a quite amazing influence.

WildheartXXX said:

bhahahahahahah bhahahahahaha Eroica is a very average album. Again webdy's voice is weak. She is a poor singer. Their compositions are ok. That's it OK no more nor less.

Eroica compared to Rainbow Children is a tiny tiny tiny album.

I never knew watered down jazz/elevator music with JW influences was considered cutting edge these days.[This message was edited Fri Oct 11 2:49:17 PDT 2002 by Tom]