PleasurePrinciple said: keir482 said: Of all the women listed they or either biracial or really light skinned black women..oh well I guess he likes his women to look like him I guess we all have our preferences in dating, but I do think that Prince has an issue with racial identity. He cast a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain and we all know that both of his parent were black...I think its great to talk about other peoples ideas about race that is how changes come through discussion.
I agree,we all have our preference but I do think that Prince did struggle with some race issues in his past.But I do understand where he was coming from when he tried 2 appear bi-racial 2 his audience.A lot of white people would have not even been interested in him if they couldnt identify 2 his fake white side.Many people still believe that he is 1/2 Italian or atleast they choose 2believe it, and alot of the Black people who know that its untrue hate that...and also Robin Power explained in her thread that Prince had color issues.She said that if Prince saw 2 black women and the darker one was better looking he would still choose the lighter skinned women.Now,having a preference and that is a whole different kind of thing. oh,and 2 SCNDLS Very true PP. What's funny is how people still want to believe he is bi-racial, yet every picture of P with his family is full of black people. Not one picture has surfaced in 28 years of P with his supposed white family members. btw, I just want to thank you ladies for this very insightful and civil discussion about race and nationality. | |
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SCNDLS said: prodigalfan said: I just looked on the internet... her family comes from Venezuela. I don't know about you... but that is not the "traditional" or average African American.
Race and nationality are two VERY different things. [Edited 5/25/07 17:47pm] the term "african-american" is not an appropriate description of blacks living in america [Edited 5/26/07 14:15pm] | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: keir482 said: Of all the women listed they or either biracial or really light skinned black women..oh well I guess he likes his women to look like him I guess we all have our preferences in dating, but I do think that Prince has an issue with racial identity. He cast a white woman as his mother in Purple Rain and we all know that both of his parent were black...I think its great to talk about other peoples ideas about race that is how changes come through discussion.
I agree,we all have our preference but I do think that Prince did struggle with some race issues in his past.But I do understand where he was coming from when he tried 2 appear bi-racial 2 his audience.A lot of white people would have not even been interested in him if they couldnt identify 2 his fake white side.Many people still believe that he is 1/2 Italian or atleast they choose 2believe it, and alot of the Black people who know that its untrue hate that...and also Robin Power explained in her thread that Prince had color issues.She said that if Prince saw 2 black women and the darker one was better looking he would still choose the lighter skinned women.Now,having a preference and that is a whole different kind of thing. oh,and 2 SCNDLS It is sad to say, that this is not uncommon for some black men. The dude I dated in high school was JUST like that. I don't get it. Oh well I guess it is how your perception of beauty was formed. I mean look at Eddie Murphy.... I don't mean to offend anyone, but Eddie's ex-wife was NOT pretty; to me she had a man face; Scary Spice is much prettier but look the difference of how he treated those 2 knocked up girlfriends... one he married, the other he dissed. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: PleasurePrinciple said: I agree,we all have our preference but I do think that Prince did struggle with some race issues in his past.But I do understand where he was coming from when he tried 2 appear bi-racial 2 his audience.A lot of white people would have not even been interested in him if they couldnt identify 2 his fake white side.Many people still believe that he is 1/2 Italian or atleast they choose 2believe it, and alot of the Black people who know that its untrue hate that...and also Robin Power explained in her thread that Prince had color issues.She said that if Prince saw 2 black women and the darker one was better looking he would still choose the lighter skinned women.Now,having a preference and that is a whole different kind of thing. oh,and 2 SCNDLS It is sad to say, that this is not uncommon for some black men. The dude I dated in high school was JUST like that. I don't get it. Oh well I guess it is how your perception of beauty was formed. I mean look at Eddie Murphy.... I don't mean to offend anyone, but Eddie's ex-wife was NOT pretty; to me she had a man face; Scary Spice is much prettier but look the difference of how he treated those 2 knocked up girlfriends... one he married, the other he dissed. Well, its not fair to come to some conclusion about Eddie based what we see in the media. We really don't know what happen with him and Scary. Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....." But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. | |
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prodigalfan said: PleasurePrinciple said: I agree,we all have our preference but I do think that Prince did struggle with some race issues in his past.But I do understand where he was coming from when he tried 2 appear bi-racial 2 his audience.A lot of white people would have not even been interested in him if they couldnt identify 2 his fake white side.Many people still believe that he is 1/2 Italian or atleast they choose 2believe it, and alot of the Black people who know that its untrue hate that...and also Robin Power explained in her thread that Prince had color issues.She said that if Prince saw 2 black women and the darker one was better looking he would still choose the lighter skinned women.Now,having a preference and that is a whole different kind of thing. oh,and 2 SCNDLS It is sad to say, that this is not uncommon for some black men. The dude I dated in high school was JUST like that. I don't get it. Oh well I guess it is how your perception of beauty was formed. I mean look at Eddie Murphy.... I don't mean to offend anyone, but Eddie's ex-wife was NOT pretty; to me she had a man face; Scary Spice is much prettier but look the difference of how he treated those 2 knocked up girlfriends... one he married, the other he dissed. Or on the flip side, get a backward ass compliment like, "You sure are pretty. . . for a dark skinned girl." Now THAT shit burns me up every time and makes me wanna kick some ass And every chocolate sista I know has heard this shit. [Edited 5/26/07 14:45pm] | |
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Rhondab said: prodigalfan said: It is sad to say, that this is not uncommon for some black men. The dude I dated in high school was JUST like that. I don't get it. Oh well I guess it is how your perception of beauty was formed. I mean look at Eddie Murphy.... I don't mean to offend anyone, but Eddie's ex-wife was NOT pretty; to me she had a man face; Scary Spice is much prettier but look the difference of how he treated those 2 knocked up girlfriends... one he married, the other he dissed. Well, its not fair to come to some conclusion about Eddie based what we see in the media. We really don't know what happen with him and Scary. Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....." But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. This is sooooo SCARY as we posted the exact same thought at the same damn time. Oooooohhhhh, scary, but you know what they say about great minds. LOL! [Edited 5/26/07 14:33pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: prodigalfan said: It is sad to say, that this is not uncommon for some black men. The dude I dated in high school was JUST like that. I don't get it. Oh well I guess it is how your perception of beauty was formed. I mean look at Eddie Murphy.... I don't mean to offend anyone, but Eddie's ex-wife was NOT pretty; to me she had a man face; Scary Spice is much prettier but look the difference of how he treated those 2 knocked up girlfriends... one he married, the other he dissed. Or on the flip side, get a backward ass compliment like, "You sure a pretty. . . for a dark skinned girl." Now THAT shit burns me up every time and makes me wanna kick some ass And every chocolate sista I know has heard this shit. stop typin' the same stuff SCNDLS | |
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OMGOSH...stop it scndls... | |
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Rhondab said: SCNDLS said: Race and nationality are two VERY different things. [Edited 5/25/07 17:47pm] the term "african-american" is not an appropriate description of blacks living in america [Edited 5/26/07 14:15pm] Personally I don't call myself AA. I still refer to myself as a Black woman. I use the AA term for others out of respect for their preference. Since I know I am black (can tell looking in the mirror :lol) but don't KNOW what part of Africa I descended from..... don't know ANYTHING about Africa, I just feel it is disingenuous to spout off about African cultures and give my children African sounding names when I don't take the time to research my family roots to find out where in Africa I come from. Like I said... Africa is a HUGE continent. maybe my part of Africa is Muslim and are fishermen, not the stereotypical farming village, or hunting tribe. I really don't know. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Rhondab said: Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....."
But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. Me and my homegirl, another chocolate hottie, were talking about this JUST last night. I actually had a guy ask me to dance, and while we were dancing he said, "I really don't talk to dark girls but when I saw you I had to make an exception. . . " WTF????? I'm like, "Nucca, don't do me no DAMN favors, keep it movin' to tha left, to tha left!!!" And the killing part is that it's our own brothas making these insensitive, ignant ass remarks when they should know better. [Edited 5/26/07 14:43pm] | |
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prodigalfan said: Rhondab said: the term "african-american" is not an appropriate description of blacks living in america [Edited 5/26/07 14:15pm] Personally I don't call myself AA. I still refer to myself as a Black woman. I use the AA term for others out of respect for their preference. Since I know I am black (can tell looking in the mirror :lol) but don't KNOW what part of Africa I descended from..... Me too cuz I'm Black and proud and I'm not technically American so Black feels more natural to me. Imagine how confusing it is for biracial, multiracial people who don't have a clear cut racial identity unless they "choose" one. | |
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Rhondab said:[quote] prodigalfan said: Well, its not fair to come to some conclusion about Eddie based what we see in the media. We really don't know what happen with him and Scary. Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....." But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. and some of them are not "brothas". I have noticed more men not black who are dating sistas and the sisters will definitely have the color of a brownie. It kills me when brothas will have some to say to that woman about trying something new. I had to check a brotha once... my friend was dating a nice white guy and she got some flack from a old high school buddy and I had to tell him, stop fronting... you know you and your dayum friends never even considered talking to my friend back in the day becuase she was "too dark and had short hair". so don't start talking smack about "our women" because you never wanted to claim her as "your woman" until someone else showed interested. Even my high school boyfriend told me I was "almost too dark" for him. I was like N%%$*)) please! you and I are the exact same shade... hell he borrowed my foundation makeup (back in his trying to be like Prince phase ) If he can wear my pancake makeup you KNOW he and I were the same shade and he said some shyte like that!!! "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: Rhondab said: Well, its not fair to come to some conclusion about Eddie based what we see in the media. We really don't know what happen with him and Scary. Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....." But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. and some of them are not "brothas". I have noticed more men not black who are dating sistas and the sisters will definitely have the color of a brownie. Exactly, which is why I'm planning to go to London for a week in September, see Prince, and stage a one woman, Chocolate Invasion. Cuz I KNOW my husband is in the South of France or Italy waiting for me and since he's a Prince fan he'll be in London for the shows. LOL!!! I'm trying to be like Tina Turner. Okaaaaayyyyy???? [Edited 5/26/07 15:14pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: prodigalfan said: Personally I don't call myself AA. I still refer to myself as a Black woman. I use the AA term for others out of respect for their preference. Since I know I am black (can tell looking in the mirror :lol) but don't KNOW what part of Africa I descended from..... Me too cuz I'm Black and proud and I'm not technically American so Black feels more natural to me. Imagine how confusing it is for biracial, multiracial people who don't have a clear cut racial identity unless they "choose" one. yep, yep to both of ya'll Black and proud I try not to diss my brothas who are caught up. Its something taught and reinforced over and over. I think certain areas are worse than others. I know that I've only dated one man from Indy and he doesn't even live here anymore. Most men that find me attractive generally arent from here. I actually get move love from white men. You just have to be cool in your own skin and keep it moving. My daughter, who is light skinned, sits on the other side of the fence. She said she has to check the ones that always reference to her "light skinness". Its funny because as a child, she used to long for darker skin because of me and my mom being darker but I taught her that she's beautiful with her yella ass. | |
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Rhondab said: SCNDLS said: Me too cuz I'm Black and proud and I'm not technically American so Black feels more natural to me. Imagine how confusing it is for biracial, multiracial people who don't have a clear cut racial identity unless they "choose" one. yep, yep to both of ya'll Black and proud I try not to diss my brothas who are caught up. Its something taught and reinforced over and over. I think certain areas are worse than others. I know that I've only dated one man from Indy and he doesn't even live here anymore. Most men that find me attractive generally arent from here. I actually get move love from white men. You just have to be cool in your own skin and keep it moving. My daughter, who is light skinned, sits on the other side of the fence. She said she has to check the ones that always reference to her "light skinness". Its funny because as a child, she used to long for darker skin because of me and my mom being darker but I taught her that she's beautiful with her yella ass. and it's "light skindedness" LOL! | |
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SCNDLS said: Rhondab said: yep, yep to both of ya'll Black and proud I try not to diss my brothas who are caught up. Its something taught and reinforced over and over. I think certain areas are worse than others. I know that I've only dated one man from Indy and he doesn't even live here anymore. Most men that find me attractive generally arent from here. I actually get move love from white men. You just have to be cool in your own skin and keep it moving. My daughter, who is light skinned, sits on the other side of the fence. She said she has to check the ones that always reference to her "light skinness". Its funny because as a child, she used to long for darker skin because of me and my mom being darker but I taught her that she's beautiful with her yella ass. and it's "light skindedness" LOL! girl, I knew that didn't look right...some more "ededdded"s were needed...by bad | |
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yea,an old boyfriend told me Id be way prettier if I were lighter
Then I had a guy tell me he liked me b/c I was darkskinned Then I had a white person tell me my skin was perfect b/c I wasnt 2 dark or 2 light... x1000 | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: yea,an old boyfriend told me Id be way prettier if I were lighter
Then I had a guy tell me he liked me b/c I was darkskinned Then I had a white person tell me my skin was perfect b/c I wasnt 2 dark or 2 light... x1000 Well, NOW I'm telling you that you are the PERFECT shade, color, hue, or whatever for YOU! | |
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Rhondab said: SCNDLS said: and it's "light skindedness" LOL! girl, I knew that didn't look right...some more "ededdded"s were needed...by bad Now that I think about it, maybe it's skinnededness. . . Oh, shoot! I'll have to consult my English to Ebonics dictionary and get back to you on that. LOL! | |
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SCNDLS said: Rhondab said: girl, I knew that didn't look right...some more "ededdded"s were needed...by bad Now that I think about it, maybe it's skinnededness. . . Oh, shoot! I'll have to consult my English to Ebonics dictionary and get back to you on that. LOL! Its so hard trying to be "bilingual" | |
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Rhondab said: SCNDLS said: Now that I think about it, maybe it's skinnededness. . . Oh, shoot! I'll have to consult my English to Ebonics dictionary and get back to you on that. LOL! Its so hard trying to be "bilingual" I KNOW riiiight??? And in my case, tri-lingual. | |
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SCNDLS said: PleasurePrinciple said: yea,an old boyfriend told me Id be way prettier if I were lighter
Then I had a guy tell me he liked me b/c I was darkskinned Then I had a white person tell me my skin was perfect b/c I wasnt 2 dark or 2 light... x1000 Well, NOW I'm telling you that you are the PERFECT shade, color, hue, or whatever for YOU! awww thank you | |
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CalhounSq said: worst thread ever
I agree: Mani with Eric, Prince with Halle.....how weird would that be. I wish people would just stop worrying about his personal life. Seriously, how would you like it if every single thing you did was under a magnifying glass. | |
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Rhondab said: SCNDLS said: Now that I think about it, maybe it's skinnededness. . . Oh, shoot! I'll have to consult my English to Ebonics dictionary and get back to you on that. LOL! Its so hard trying to be "bilingual" Wow! I never realized I was bilingual. I can see it now... go to interview... "what languages do you speak?, "I speak English and Ebonics".. Huh?, excuse me? EVonics??? No, EBonics." "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: Rhondab said: Its so hard trying to be "bilingual" Wow! I never realized I was bilingual. I can see it now... go to interview... "what languages do you speak?, "I speak English and Ebonics".. Huh?, excuse me? EVonics??? No, EBonics." yeah but its really something that can't be taught but there are days when knowing a little ebonics comes in handy especially in those hoodish situations. | |
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carlluv said: Then how do we explain Nona Gaye
Yeah but didn't he just drop her ass on the moon. Noone heard about her with Prince again, and the Mayte came along. [Heffa ] surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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illimack said: datdude said: i know i probably missed this somewhere in previous posts, but can we even substantiate that he dated Robin Power. with that body, i'm not in the least bit surprised, but just never heard that. same for Cat, i hope we're not assuming just because she was his dancer he dated her. he probably DID her, but there's a difference.
Robin herself stated on this site that she dated Prince for 2years and I remeber and interview with Sheila E where she was asked if she dated Prince and she stated "No, he likes Cat." Why is it always questioned when Prince dates black women??? And as far as Susan Moonsie being from Trinidad or wherever.....I remember having this same conversation with a Mexican friend about whether or not Sammy Sosa was black. She was adamant that he was not black, but Latino. I told her that Sosa is a black man with a Spanish accent, like I'm a black woman with an American accent. Our ancestors got scooped up from the same place, they just ended up on different boats. There were actually more Africans taken to Brazil than to north America, however many choose not to identify themselves as black, whereas in north America, most folks that have any amount of African blood will identify themselves as black. I don't care what part of Latin America Susan Moonsie is from, she is still black and always looked like a "traditional african-american" to me....whatever that means. [Edited 5/24/07 8:02am] Thank you at least somebody knows this! I couldn't have said it better if you have black skin, light skin your black whether your from this place or that place it doesn't matter. [Edited 5/28/07 23:23pm] surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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girl66 said: CalhounSq said: worst thread ever
I agree: Mani with Eric, Prince with Halle.....how weird would that be. I wish people would just stop worrying about his personal life. Seriously, how would you like it if every single thing you did was under a magnifying glass. Honestly, I wouldn't like it one bit. But for over $300+ million I would seriously be happy to learn how to deal with the discomfort. | |
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SCNDLS said: Rhondab said: Western standard of beauty says that the lighter you are, the more attractive you are. Its so unfortunate and sad. I've had black men say stuff like, "You're pretty to be so dark". or "I never really talk to darker skinned women but....."
But there are some men that do like us chocolaty sistas Beauty is Beauty, dark, light or whatever. We need to start celebrating all forms of it. Me and my homegirl, another chocolate hottie, were talking about this JUST last night. I actually had a guy ask me to dance, and while we were dancing he said, "I really don't talk to dark girls but when I saw you I had to make an exception. . . " WTF????? I'm like, "Nucca, don't do me no DAMN favors, keep it movin' to tha left, to tha left!!!" And the killing part is that it's our own brothas making these insensitive, ignant ass remarks when they should know better. [Edited 5/26/07 14:43pm] Thank You! surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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Rhondab & SCNDLS, you all need to change locations or something. Where the hell are y'all meeting these trifling ass kneegroes? West coast? Seriously though, I know these brothas exist. I've heard them before and it was a surprise to me. On the flipside, in the 21st century, lighter to caramel-skinned brothas get VERY LITTLE love from sistas. That tired ass line of "light-skinned brothas iz out-of-style" has rang out resoundingly through the black community. How the hell can your skin tone be in vogue? The majority of black images on t.v. these days are light-skinned/mixed sistas and dark-skinned brothas. Its like the mainstream media wants the high yella chicks to represent sistas and they need an "unquestionable" black male image to rep the brothas. I remember back in the purple & black board days of the org I got blasted many times for calling Prince colorstruck. He is. I think its just his vanity. He wants to see something of himself in the females he messes with. Well, that plus the era he grew up in. Back then, lighter meant better in the black community. I could care less but it is an observation. Brothas that can't appreciate the beauty of all spectrums are missing out. As for Halle, I wouldn't wish that crazy heiffer on ANY man. [Edited 5/29/07 14:38pm] | |
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