Anytime there is a thread about THE TIME, someone will refer to a problem between Prince and THE TIME, such as Prince is jealous of Jesse's guitar playing.

I am wondering how many of you might believe that Prince is afraid of his protege artists being more successful. Do any of you believe that Prince may have inhibited the success of the TIME or any other protege project?
I mean, he is highly resposible for their music.

I personally could definately see Prince having a hand in the lack of mainstream success by THE TIME. It would have been highly embarassing for his ego for THE TIME to surpass him.

UH.....HELL YES!!!!!

a) THE TIME

b) THE FAMILY

c) MAZARATI

d) JILL JONES

Slightly off point, but just since you mention Jill Jones - yeah she had a powerful and distinctive voice, but you have to wonder: If she was all that, why didn't she make it on her own?

It's like Frank Zappa - amazing musicians in all of his bands, but very few of them have gone on to have sucessful careers of their own. Sometimes people need a guiding hand, or a single person to centre their talents.

I'm tired and gibbering.

woogiebear said:

Hell he's still inhibiting the Time's success to a smaller degree(which is PART of the reason they haven't put out a new album)

Same with the Family back in the day, he lost interest. It will be interesting to see what they will do now

Don't know about the other two though

Of course he did. How many people who worked under Prince are taken seriously on their own? Sadly, because he occasionally chose those around him for image as opposed to talent (Vanity, Apollonia, etc.), those with great talent (Jill Jones, Brenda Bennett, Sheila E., etc.) are often, and wrongly, added to that catagory.

I think that Bonnie Raitt was very smart to get out of the Prince camp before he stamped her image with his own.

Think about it. The Time is the band that Prince would have if he did Funk/rock. Mavis Staples album was Prince if he was going to do a R&B soul/gospel sounding project. Madhouse was how Prince would sound if he did jazz instrumentals. Ingrid Chavez was how Prince would sound if he did New Age music. Prince can't help peeing on all of his performers, and many people don't want to pay attention to the puppet after the ventriloquist has left the stage.

Personally, I think he should have allowed bands like The Time and The Family do their own thing. Add some of his own treatment to it, but imagine how large the section in the CD store would be if The Time could do their own thing? Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis heading it up with Jesse actually cutting his own guitar licks? Prince could drop by and share a little love and the result could be amazing.

I love a lot of his side projects, but I love them because they are associated with Prince. It's funny because the projects that he has had the least amount of control over (The 3 o'clock, etc.) I have no interest in... but I am a fan of Prince and want to hear it all.

madhouseman said:

I agree, Prince could have started his own little Motown, it he gave his artist freedom. He could have let the Time do their own thing, Jam and Lewis could be producing their own artist, all under a Prince label (Alex O'Neal, Cherrelle). The could have all branched of and do their own things, while still being under Prince.

vanity2 said:

The thing that inhibited The Time's success was not only Jimmy, Terry, and Monte leaving, but Morris' drug use, and a not-so-great third album.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I totally agree with this! Paisley Park Records could have been another Motown,if Prince had stepped back and given more freedom to other people.For example,he should have offered Jam and Lewis a production deal.They could have been the in-house producers for the label.Andre Cymone could have been offered a production deal as well.These are remarkably talented people who could write and produce songs without Prince's help.Listening to some of the albums that were released on Paisley Park,it's clear that many of these releases could have used better production.Prince was spreading himself too thin...trying to do movies,tours,and produce all these people.

PRINCE WILL 4EVER INHIBIT THE TIME'S SUCCESS UNTIL THE "MAGNIFICENT SEVEN" DO IT "ONE MO' TIME"!!!!!

MORRIS DAY
JIMMY JAM
TERRY LEWIS
JESSE JOHNSON
JELLYBEAN JOHNSON
MONTE MOIR
JEROME BENTON

.....AND THAT'S WHAT TIME IT IS!!!!!

I would have to say yes he did inhibit their success-they're a great group and probably would have been more successful if they were not in Prince's shadow.

woogiebear said:

actually just release the stuff they already did together(No Jesse unfortunatily, but everybody else including prince)

Rhastus said:

Why not Jesse?

I really wish we could just get one more TIME album with everybody. They could totally produce a nice record with a nice tour easily today. Or they could even open for Prince's upcoming tour.

Monte Moir gives some insight here.... http://www.glamslam.org/i...topic=7163

Bonnie Rait?
Was she in the Prince camp?
I really don't remember hearing anything about that?

The past is the past: it's what's getting done TODAY that matters.

Tora, for those of us who are not a member of that community, can you cut and paste what monte said?

LollyPopLife said:

I remember reading about this in Rolling Stone in the late-eighties. Raitt was signed to Warner Bros. at the time and they wanted to kick her over to Paisley Park to collaborate on an album with Prince and David Z., but like the Tamar project it never saw the light of day for some reason.

Rhastus said:

Prince? Is that you?

[YouTube Prince-related video snipped. You should know the rules by now, there's no excuse - BananaCologne]

vanity2 said:

Hell there was only ONE Time record with everybody. I would love to see Jesse with these guys more than anybody, but to the best of my knowledge, nothing has been recorded, on the other hand, there is material that everybody else has worked on and is locked up because of a war of Egos

LittleBLUECorvette said:

isnt it ironic that the thing he denied his own artists, he went on and on about during the 90's cuz he wasnt getting it