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Janfriend said:[quote] Ottensen said: I over indulge from time to time, and feel nary a need to rationalize anything to anybody. The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit: today at a thrift store, tomorrow at Alberta Ferretti. Makes no difference to me. And as for Prince's instruments, he doesn't have to name them, any working musician can recognize the make and model of what he uses not unlike professionals, or even enthusiasts who can spot out the make and model year of a rare and incredibly expensive watch, automobile, wine, ect. Trust me, his stuff ain't cheap. And besides, the idea that he should not name instruments for the reason stated is sort of silly. Real working musicians who actually do that job as a career use the instruments that they do because they work for their body type (ie how parts of the intrument affect dexteriy size & weight of instrument and how that affects playing, etc.) , a person's playing style, and area of work specialization, not because they hear that a commercial celebrity is using it. If anything he doesn't name his instruments publically because he's not a paid endorser, and he doesn't strike me as a person with the type of ego that would consider endorsements anyway  That, right there, is your rationalization for your over-indulgence As for his instruments, I don't think he was talking about the kind of musicians you are talking about. I am learning guitar and when I was guitar shopping the brand was an important issue. Certain brands are better quality than others. As a first time player I didn't know the difference between one or the other. If, for example, a musician I looked up to listed what brand(s) they used I would most likely try to get something made by the same company (in my price range) because I know that must use intruments of great quality. Other artists do give this information and I find it helpful in my (other) instrument shopping so, therefore, you are wrong. It's really silly to assume he's talking about professionals on his level. There are different levels of musicianship. I've been playing the flute for 19 years. My nephew has been playing for 6 months. I know more about the instrument and what makers I prefer as well as what different types of flutes I prefer. He has no clue. If he read his favorite floutist used an Emerson, open-hole, silver, gold-plated head, bflat key flute he may take an interest and check one out as opposed to using the beginners nickel-plated closed hole he's using now.[/quote Fine. Second paragraph:point taken. You and I are very similar and on the same page in that respect, although I never assumed he was talking about professional musicians on his level, I wasn't really clear in that initial post. First sentence however: rationalization for overindulgence? Um, no. Who are you or anyone else to dictate what constitutes "over indulgence" for me (or anyone else for that matter)? Like you have the license on the definition of 'under indulgence' and 'over indulgence' . Newsflash: there is no rationale for why I indulge in the things I do, its dictated by my will and ability to do so. And so it is  | |
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laurarichardson said: xplnyrslf said: The day Mani drives a luxury vehicle that matches her outfit and sports twin boy toys everywhere she goes, is the day I'll think she's overindulging herself.
BEFORE the usual suspects go in the attack mode: I'm not criticizing Prince for doing those things. Mani is conducting herself as a still married woman and based on one article in the style section of a newspaper isn't on a perpetual shopping spree for self gratification. [Edited 2/4/07 7:53am] ----- "You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much" I guess you guys missed this part of Janfriends comments. And I actually feel like I understand where you're coming from. For me it simply boils down to different strokes for different folks though, as I believe what is normal for one may be an wasteful accoutrement for another. For example, I cannot understand for the life of me why people are still driving those horrendously large gas guzzling cars and SUV's that feed the frenetic race for control of the world's oil reserves, but you know, that's just me. | |
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Janfriend said: xplnyrslf said: FYI..... Prince has been in a specific photo shoot where he's wearing Versace and it's mentioned he's wearing Versace. Look it up in the gallery. Prince + Versace = agreement of some kind.
I would expect Mani to be well dressed as head of a charitable organization. And as the future ex-wife of Prince. As far as I'm concerned, she's pretty toned down. That's usually in a photo shoot to go along with an interview. The person being photographed is not using their own clothes from their closet. What designer they're wearing is usually listed in the upper corners of the photo, by the publication. Prince wasn't talking about how much he wears that designer and/or other designers in an interview Also, there are photo shoots where the entertainer has no control. Vogue photo shoots, for example, do not allow the entertainer to bring their own make-up artist ot stylist (fashion or hair). Vogue controls the whole thing Actually, that's true of every fashion photo shoot for editorial publication. Although in the case of a mega celebrity like Prince, or actually no, with his longevity and stature he really falls more into the 'legend' catagory- anyhoo it is possible that an editor wouldn't mind a small article of clothing, accessory, or prop from his personal closet allowed into a few frames during shooting. When it works, it's kept in, and credited appropriately. When it doesn't it edited out with all the other pics. Again, that would only be alowed really in the case of an iconclast like Prince, Madonna, Tina Turner, maybe Bruce Springsteen, folks like that. However, for that to happen initially it's hashed out looong beforehand via 2 zillion conference calls, and is generally limited to one small element or so. | |
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Ottensen said:[quote]Janfriend said:[quote] Ottensen said: I over indulge from time to time, and feel nary a need to rationalize anything to anybody. The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit: today at a thrift store, tomorrow at Alberta Ferretti. Makes no difference to me. And as for Prince's instruments, he doesn't have to name them, any working musician can recognize the make and model of what he uses not unlike professionals, or even enthusiasts who can spot out the make and model year of a rare and incredibly expensive watch, automobile, wine, ect. Trust me, his stuff ain't cheap. And besides, the idea that he should not name instruments for the reason stated is sort of silly. Real working musicians who actually do that job as a career use the instruments that they do because they work for their body type (ie how parts of the intrument affect dexteriy size & weight of instrument and how that affects playing, etc.) , a person's playing style, and area of work specialization, not because they hear that a commercial celebrity is using it. If anything he doesn't name his instruments publically because he's not a paid endorser, and he doesn't strike me as a person with the type of ego that would consider endorsements anyway That, right there, is your rationalization for your over-indulgence
As for his instruments, I don't think he was talking about the kind of musicians you are talking about. I am learning guitar and when I was guitar shopping the brand was an important issue. Certain brands are better quality than others. As a first time player I didn't know the difference between one or the other. If, for example, a musician I looked up to listed what brand(s) they used I would most likely try to get something made by the same company (in my price range) because I know that must use intruments of great quality. Other artists do give this information and I find it helpful in my (other) instrument shopping so, therefore, you are wrong. It's really silly to assume he's talking about professionals on his level. There are different levels of musicianship. I've been playing the flute for 19 years. My nephew has been playing for 6 months. I know more about the instrument and what makers I prefer as well as what different types of flutes I prefer. He has no clue. If he read his favorite floutist used an Emerson, open-hole, silver, gold-plated head, bflat key flute he may take an interest and check one out as opposed to using the beginners nickel-plated closed hole he's using now. Fine. Second paragraph:point taken. You and I are very similar and on the same page in that respect, although I never assumed he was talking about professional musicians on his level, I wasn't really clear in that initial post.
First sentence however: rationalization for overindulgence? Um, no. Who are you or anyone else to dictate what constitutes "over indulgence" for me (or anyone else for that matter)? Like you have the license on the definition of 'under indulgence' and 'over indulgence' . Newsflash: there is no rationale for why I indulge in the things I do, its dictated by my will and ability to do so. And so it is Well, we will have to disagree on that. To indulge is to give free rein to or to take unrestrained pleasure in something. It also implies excessive compliance and weakness in gratifying another's or one's own desires and self-indulgence is excessive or unrestrained gratification of one's own appetites, desires, or whims. Sorry, but I don't see how that can be considered positive. Of course, what you consider excessive may be different from what I considered excessive You originally said The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit which I interpret as It's mine and I do what I want with it. That's the same excuse some people use when abusing their children and partners or when they're teaching their children to hate others. I don't see a difference There are times when I might over-indulge. I am never ok or proud of it. I never excuse it or try to justify it. I always try to break from it | |
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