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PrintableJanfriend said: jone70 said: So by your definition, is Prince "fucked up" too? Just trying to clarify because he was (as you posted) baptised a JW and I think its fair to say we've seen him wear tailor made suits, Versace, and use expensive custom made guitars. Or is that part of what is required for his profession as musician and thus, not "fucked up"?
You're getting way too into this. In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality equipment. I've never heard him go down a list of what makers of his equipment he uses. As a matter of fact, I have an issue of guitar player magazine with him on the cover. In the article he made it a point to say he didn't like to name what equipment he uses because he didn't want other musicians to feel they had to have the same thing. He felt whatever a musician is comfortable with and whatever works best for them is fine You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. I never heard of Prince, in an interview or article, listing all the name brands in his closest or on his back and list a price. I've always understood that his stuff was tailor made and he had stylists who also bring him clothes to wear And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose money? What university degree does she have? I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs It also is a twist of the knife that she runs a charity and yet spends ridiculously I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence  | |
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Janfriend said: jone70 said: So by your definition, is Prince "fucked up" too? Just trying to clarify because he was (as you posted) baptised a JW and I think its fair to say we've seen him wear tailor made suits, Versace, and use expensive custom made guitars. Or is that part of what is required for his profession as musician and thus, not "fucked up"?
You're getting way too into this. In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality equipment. I've never heard him go down a list of what makers of his equipment he uses. As a matter of fact, I have an issue of guitar player magazine with him on the cover. In the article he made it a point to say he didn't like to name what equipment he uses because he didn't want other musicians to feel they had to have the same thing. He felt whatever a musician is comfortable with and whatever works best for them is fine I just find it interesting (and slightly hypocritical) that you seem quick to condemn her for spending "excessive" amounts of money on clothing while you excuse Prince for what could be considered similiar actions, implying that it's an occupational necessity. He made his first 2 albums without all the fancy guitars, so couldn't the same argument be made that he is now being excessive by having numerous Cloud guitars in different colors so he can coordinate with his tailor made clothing? You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. I never heard of Prince, in an interview or article, listing all the name brands in his closest or on his back and list a price. I've always understood that his stuff was tailor made and he had stylists who also bring him clothes to wear
Were these Prince interviews in the STYLE section of a magazine or newspaper? I'm thinking no. As others have pointed out--she was being featured in the Style section. You wouldn't talk about politics or music in the "Style" section, just as you wouldn't talk fashion in the political section. And I would guess she didn't list the prices, the reporter probably researched that and listed them. And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose money? What university degree does she have? I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs
It also is a twist of the knife that she runs a charity and yet spends ridiculously That's cold. According to www.iapw.org, her academic background is that she earned a degree in Law & Sociology at York University in Toronto. ( http://www.iapw.org/page.asp?p=467 ) I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money
We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence I agree this is true for some people. I don't know her personally so I can't speak to whether she is one of those people who need labels to validate themselves. The designer label thing doesn't bother me so much. (And fyi, I work for a non-profit & can only afford to shop off-the-sale-rack, so I'm definitely not one of those people!  ) Personally, I think spending $2000 on a handbag is silly, but who's to say I wouldn't do it if I could afford to? Would that automatically make me a bad person? Could it be said that doing something is better than doing nothing? I think so, because regardless of the label on her clothes, her foundation is helping people.The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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I don't think she's a bad person because she likes designer clothes. She just seems like she's into high fashion and that's the first time i heard her talk about owning designer clothes.
I own alot and I'm not rich by far and people think I spend all my money on clothes. Mani probably gets a house discount or free clothing. I buy most of mine at premium outlets. Most women are going to take some of the perks that come aling with being married to a celebrity. | |
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jone70 said: I just find it interesting (and slightly hypocritical) that you seem quick to condemn her for spending "excessive" amounts of money on clothing while you excuse Prince for what could be considered similiar actions, implying that it's an occupational necessity. He made his first 2 albums without all the fancy guitars, so couldn't the same argument be made that he is now being excessive by having numerous Cloud guitars in different colors so he can coordinate with his tailor made clothing?
I didn't condemn her, I said ANYONE who spends frivilously. I'm not really condemning. More like expressing my disgust for it. People can do what they want. I get where you're going with the matching guitar thing, but I don't see it as the same. I agree that he could just stick with one color and use the same one until it breaks, but fashion IS somewhat part of his job, not hers Were these Prince interviews in the STYLE section of a magazine or newspaper? I'm thinking no. As others have pointed out--she was being featured in the Style section. You wouldn't talk about politics or music in the "Style" section, just as you wouldn't talk fashion in the political section. And I would guess she didn't list the prices, the reporter probably researched that and listed them.
Why the hell is she in the STYLE section to begin with? What is she a celebrity for??? If she wasn't married to Prince, she wouldn't be getting any attention. Do you know how many people run charities out there who are not in the style section of paper? If she had any common sense, she wouldn't have consented to being featured in the style section in the first place That's cold. According to www.iapw.org, her academic background is that she earned a degree in Law & Sociology at York University in Toronto. ( http://www.iapw.org/page.asp?p=467 )
Thanks for educating me on that, but how did she get the money to start her charity and buy $2,000.00 outfits that she boasts about? I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money
We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence I agree this is true for some people. I don't know her personally so I can't speak to whether she is one of those people who need labels to validate themselves. The designer label thing doesn't bother me so much. (And fyi, I work for a non-profit & can only afford to shop off-the-sale-rack, so I'm definitely not one of those people!
) Personally, I think spending $2000 on a handbag is silly, but who's to say I wouldn't do it if I could afford to? Would that automatically make me a bad person? Could it be said that doing something is better than doing nothing? I think so, because regardless of the label on her clothes, her foundation is helping people.Spending money doesn't make you a bad person. Spending too much makes you someone who has screwed up priorities, imo. Buying name brands doesn't automatically make someone bad. Boasting is pride and I don not see it as a virtue. It's disgusting. Keep it to yourself [Edited 2/2/07 19:45pm] | |
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Why do you think she's boasting, Janfriend?
Jeez, as it's already been mentioned Mani's in the STYLE section. And usually magazines have people who ask questions that one is supposed to answer in one way or another. It's not like they were talking about poor children in Africa and she suddenly felt like talking about how much she loves Gucci... And we never know how the reporter really asked the questions and what he/she decided to include and what not etc. Whether we like it or not, she's in the spot light now and she is working hard. There are obviously plenty of people out there who care about her and what she's doing, otherwise she wouldn't be in the papers. And I tell ya, I MUCH rather see Manuela in the magazines than girls like Paris Hilton! | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Why do you think she's boasting, Janfriend?
Jeez, as it's already been mentioned Mani's in the STYLE section. And usually magazines have people who ask questions that one is supposed to answer in one way or another. It's not like they were talking about poor children in Africa and she suddenly felt like talking about how much she loves Gucci... And we never know how the reporter really asked the questions and what he/she decided to include and what not etc. Whether we like it or not, she's in the spot light now and she is working hard. There are obviously plenty of people out there who care about her and what she's doing, otherwise she wouldn't be in the papers. And I tell ya, I MUCH rather see Manuela in the magazines than girls like Paris Hilton! Ok, but why is she in the style section? Why is she in the spotlight? I've never heard her charity being mentioned on CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS, or the regular news. I've only heard about it on this site. The only reason she's on wireimage and gettyimages is because of who she is married to. Why the hell would a charity founder be in the style section??? | |
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Janfriend said: jone70 said: So by your definition, is Prince "fucked up" too? Just trying to clarify because he was (as you posted) baptised a JW and I think its fair to say we've seen him wear tailor made suits, Versace, and use expensive custom made guitars. Or is that part of what is required for his profession as musician and thus, not "fucked up"?
You're getting way too into this. In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality equipment. I've never heard him go down a list of what makers of his equipment he uses. As a matter of fact, I have an issue of guitar player magazine with him on the cover. In the article he made it a point to say he didn't like to name what equipment he uses because he didn't want other musicians to feel they had to have the same thing. He felt whatever a musician is comfortable with and whatever works best for them is fine You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. I never heard of Prince, in an interview or article, listing all the name brands in his closest or on his back and list a price. I've always understood that his stuff was tailor made and he had stylists who also bring him clothes to wear And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose money? What university degree does she have? I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs It also is a twist of the knife that she runs a charity and yet spends ridiculously I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence ----- Good Points JanFried. Another supercool person on the org. | |
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Janfriend said: jone70 said: So by your definition, is Prince "fucked up" too? Just trying to clarify because he was (as you posted) baptised a JW and I think its fair to say we've seen him wear tailor made suits, Versace, and use expensive custom made guitars. Or is that part of what is required for his profession as musician and thus, not "fucked up"?
You're getting way too into this. In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality equipment. I've never heard him go down a list of what makers of his equipment he uses. As a matter of fact, I have an issue of guitar player magazine with him on the cover. In the article he made it a point to say he didn't like to name what equipment he uses because he didn't want other musicians to feel they had to have the same thing. He felt whatever a musician is comfortable with and whatever works best for them is fine You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. I never heard of Prince, in an interview or article, listing all the name brands in his closest or on his back and list a price. I've always understood that his stuff was tailor made and he had stylists who also bring him clothes to wear And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose money? What university degree does she have? I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs It also is a twist of the knife that she runs a charity and yet spends ridiculously I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence I over indulge from time to time, and feel nary a need to rationalize anything to anybody. The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit: today at a thrift store, tomorrow at Alberta Ferretti. Makes no difference to me. And as for Prince's instruments, he doesn't have to name them, any working musician can recognize the make and model of what he uses not unlike professionals, or even enthusiasts who can spot out the make and model year of a rare and incredibly expensive watch, automobile, wine, ect. Trust me, his stuff ain't cheap. And besides, the idea that he should not name instruments for the reason stated is sort of silly. Real working musicians who actually do that job as a career use the instruments that they do because they work for their body type (ie how parts of the intrument affect dexteriy size & weight of instrument and how that affects playing, etc.) , a person's playing style, and area of work specialization, not because they hear that a commercial celebrity is using it. If anything he doesn't name his instruments publically because he's not a paid endorser, and he doesn't strike me as a person with the type of ego that would consider endorsements anyway  | |
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FYI..... Prince has been in a specific photo shoot where he's wearing Versace and it's mentioned he's wearing Versace. Look it up in the gallery. Prince + Versace = agreement of some kind.
I would expect Mani to be well dressed as head of a charitable organization. And as the future ex-wife of Prince. As far as I'm concerned, she's pretty toned down. | |
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xplnyrslf said: FYI..... Prince has been in a specific photo shoot where he's wearing Versace and it's mentioned he's wearing Versace. Look it up in the gallery. Prince + Versace = agreement of some kind.
I would expect Mani to be well dressed as head of a charitable organization. And as the future ex-wife of Prince. As far as I'm concerned, she's pretty toned down. That's usually in a photo shoot to go along with an interview. The person being photographed is not using their own clothes from their closet. What designer they're wearing is usually listed in the upper corners of the photo, by the publication. Prince wasn't talking about how much he wears that designer and/or other designers in an interview Also, there are photo shoots where the entertainer has no control. Vogue photo shoots, for example, do not allow the entertainer to bring their own make-up artist ot stylist (fashion or hair). Vogue controls the whole thing | |
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Ottensen said: Janfriend said: You're getting way too into this. In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality equipment. I've never heard him go down a list of what makers of his equipment he uses. As a matter of fact, I have an issue of guitar player magazine with him on the cover. In the article he made it a point to say he didn't like to name what equipment he uses because he didn't want other musicians to feel they had to have the same thing. He felt whatever a musician is comfortable with and whatever works best for them is fine You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. I never heard of Prince, in an interview or article, listing all the name brands in his closest or on his back and list a price. I've always understood that his stuff was tailor made and he had stylists who also bring him clothes to wear And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose money? What university degree does she have? I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs It also is a twist of the knife that she runs a charity and yet spends ridiculously I don't know if it's the media, or own messed up society, that has brainwashed us into big spending or our own flawed human nature to feel important. For some reason, designer labels make us feel special. It lets people know we have money or, at least, perpetrate having money We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence I over indulge from time to time, and feel nary a need to rationalize anything to anybody. The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit: today at a thrift store, tomorrow at Alberta Ferretti. Makes no difference to me. And as for Prince's instruments, he doesn't have to name them, any working musician can recognize the make and model of what he uses not unlike professionals, or even enthusiasts who can spot out the make and model year of a rare and incredibly expensive watch, automobile, wine, ect. Trust me, his stuff ain't cheap. And besides, the idea that he should not name instruments for the reason stated is sort of silly. Real working musicians who actually do that job as a career use the instruments that they do because they work for their body type (ie how parts of the intrument affect dexteriy size & weight of instrument and how that affects playing, etc.) , a person's playing style, and area of work specialization, not because they hear that a commercial celebrity is using it. If anything he doesn't name his instruments publically because he's not a paid endorser, and he doesn't strike me as a person with the type of ego that would consider endorsements anyway That, right there, is your rationalization for your over-indulgence As for his instruments, I don't think he was talking about the kind of musicians you are talking about. I am learning guitar and when I was guitar shopping the brand was an important issue. Certain brands are better quality than others. As a first time player I didn't know the difference between one or the other. If, for example, a musician I looked up to listed what brand(s) they used I would most likely try to get something made by the same company (in my price range) because I know that must use intruments of great quality. Other artists do give this information and I find it helpful in my (other) instrument shopping so, therefore, you are wrong. It's really silly to assume he's talking about professionals on his level. There are different levels of musicianship. I've been playing the flute for 19 years. My nephew has been playing for 6 months. I know more about the instrument and what makers I prefer as well as what different types of flutes I prefer. He has no clue. If he read his favorite floutist used an Emerson, open-hole, silver, gold-plated head, bflat key flute he may take an interest and check one out as opposed to using the beginners nickel-plated closed hole he's using now. | |
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Janfriend said: Ottensen said: I over indulge from time to time, and feel nary a need to rationalize anything to anybody. The money I make is my own and I'll spend it as I see fit: today at a thrift store, tomorrow at Alberta Ferretti. Makes no difference to me. And as for Prince's instruments, he doesn't have to name them, any working musician can recognize the make and model of what he uses not unlike professionals, or even enthusiasts who can spot out the make and model year of a rare and incredibly expensive watch, automobile, wine, ect. Trust me, his stuff ain't cheap. And besides, the idea that he should not name instruments for the reason stated is sort of silly. Real working musicians who actually do that job as a career use the instruments that they do because they work for their body type (ie how parts of the intrument affect dexteriy size & weight of instrument and how that affects playing, etc.) , a person's playing style, and area of work specialization, not because they hear that a commercial celebrity is using it. If anything he doesn't name his instruments publically because he's not a paid endorser, and he doesn't strike me as a person with the type of ego that would consider endorsements anyway That, right there, is your rationalization for your over-indulgence As for his instruments, I don't think he was talking about the kind of musicians you are talking about. I am learning guitar and when I was guitar shopping the brand was an important issue. Certain brands are better quality than others. As a first time player I didn't know the difference between one or the other. If, for example, a musician I looked up to listed what brand(s) they used I would most likely try to get something made by the same company (in my price range) because I know that must use intruments of great quality. Other artists do give this information and I find it helpful in my (other) instrument shopping so, therefore, you are wrong. It's really silly to assume he's talking about professionals on his level. There are different levels of musicianship. I've been playing the flute for 19 years. My nephew has been playing for 6 months. I know more about the instrument and what makers I prefer as well as what different types of flutes I prefer. He has no clue. If he read his favorite floutist used an Emerson, open-hole, silver, gold-plated head, bflat key flute he may take an interest and check one out as opposed to using the beginners nickel-plated closed hole he's using now. Janfriend's responses show nothing but disdain, dislike and hatred toward Manuela; it's crystal clear...SWAROVSKI to be exact [Edited 2/4/07 5:33am] u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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The day Mani drives a luxury vehicle that matches her outfit and sports twin boy toys everywhere she goes, is the day I'll think she's overindulging herself.
BEFORE the usual suspects go in the attack mode: I'm not criticizing Prince for doing those things. Mani is conducting herself as a still married woman and based on one article in the style section of a newspaper isn't on a perpetual shopping spree for self gratification. [Edited 2/4/07 7:53am] | |
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xplnyrslf said: The day Mani drives a luxury vehicle that matches her outfit and sports twin boy toys everywhere she goes, is the day I'll think she's overindulging herself.
BEFORE the usual suspects go in the attack mode: I'm not criticizing Prince for doing those things. Mani is conducting herself as a still married woman and based on one article in the style section of a newspaper isn't on a perpetual shopping spree for self gratification. [Edited 2/4/07 7:53am] ----- "You're misunderstanding me. There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much" I guess you guys missed this part of Janfriends comments. | |
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preciosa863 said: Janfriend said: That, right there, is your rationalization for your over-indulgence As for his instruments, I don't think he was talking about the kind of musicians you are talking about. I am learning guitar and when I was guitar shopping the brand was an important issue. Certain brands are better quality than others. As a first time player I didn't know the difference between one or the other. If, for example, a musician I looked up to listed what brand(s) they used I would most likely try to get something made by the same company (in my price range) because I know that must use intruments of great quality. Other artists do give this information and I find it helpful in my (other) instrument shopping so, therefore, you are wrong. It's really silly to assume he's talking about professionals on his level. There are different levels of musicianship. I've been playing the flute for 19 years. My nephew has been playing for 6 months. I know more about the instrument and what makers I prefer as well as what different types of flutes I prefer. He has no clue. If he read his favorite floutist used an Emerson, open-hole, silver, gold-plated head, bflat key flute he may take an interest and check one out as opposed to using the beginners nickel-plated closed hole he's using now. Janfriend's responses show nothing but disdain, dislike and hatred toward Manuela; it's crystal clear...SWAROVSKI to be exact
[Edited 2/4/07 5:33am] OMG, I don't have hatred for her. I simply gave an opinion based on the original post. It could have been anybody | |
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xplnyrslf said: The day Mani drives a luxury vehicle that matches her outfit and sports twin boy toys everywhere she goes, is the day I'll think she's overindulging herself.
BEFORE the usual suspects go in the attack mode: I'm not criticizing Prince for doing those things. Mani is conducting herself as a still married woman and based on one article in the style section of a newspaper isn't on a perpetual shopping spree for self gratification. [Edited 2/4/07 7:53am] Since when are Prince and Mani on the same level? Is Mani a famous entertainer with millions of albums sold and an eccentric image to live up to? No. She's nobody I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section I don't even understand why Prince is being brought in this conversation. I've never seen him boasting on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or MTV Cribs. The only time we saw that house in Spain was when it was up for sale. I've never seen him in an interview listing all of the designers he wears. He's never invited the media into his personal home(s). 3121 was created to entertain people. The only images I saw of that were when I bought the cd. Truth is, we see Prince, mostly, at events and when he's performing or being interviewed | |
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Janfriend said: I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section  | |
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alwayslate said: Janfriend said: I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section  &  u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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Janfriend said: xplnyrslf said: The day Mani drives a luxury vehicle that matches her outfit and sports twin boy toys everywhere she goes, is the day I'll think she's overindulging herself.
BEFORE the usual suspects go in the attack mode: I'm not criticizing Prince for doing those things. Mani is conducting herself as a still married woman and based on one article in the style section of a newspaper isn't on a perpetual shopping spree for self gratification. [Edited 2/4/07 7:53am] Since when are Prince and Mani on the same level? Is Mani a famous entertainer with millions of albums sold and an eccentric image to live up to? No. She's nobody I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section I don't even understand why Prince is being brought in this conversation. I've never seen him boasting on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or MTV Cribs. The only time we saw that house in Spain was when it was up for sale. I've never seen him in an interview listing all of the designers he wears. He's never invited the media into his personal home(s). 3121 was created to entertain people. The only images I saw of that were when I bought the cd. Truth is, we see Prince, mostly, at events and when he's performing or being interviewed didn't take much time to google those names up u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality [/b You're misunderstanding me.[b] There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose [b]money? What university degree does she have?[/b] I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence[/quote] EXPLNYRSLF'S RESPONSE: What I'm seeing is a double standard. There's justification for PRINCE'S high end tastes, but anyone else, it's unacceptable?? If indeed this is what your standard of behavior is,then it applies across the board....Prince included. Your statement about Mani "spreading her legs" taints any position you have. You're clearly subjective. Questioning her education?? And what college did Prince graduate from? She's doing a hell of alot more to improve things than anyone on this website. I'll even go so far as to say you have an underlying dislike of her for personal reasons. Don't bother with irrational logic. [Edited 2/4/07 15:13pm] | |
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I don't know. Is Mani not allowed to have nice things? I do agree that being excessive is contradictory to her image - but I'm not sure the NYT article is evidence of that. I would have nicer clothes if I could afford them - that doesn't mean that my heart is not in the right place.
I would guess that she needs certain clothes to be successful and credible in the philanthropic world of old white money. I'm sure there are people who could care less that she is or was married to Prince. That being said, I know someone who worked with Melinda Gates on a project. She said Melinda had a cute jacket on and someone asked her about it - she said it was from The Gap and that she had picked it up when shopping for her kids.  | |
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preciosa863 said: Janfriend said: Since when are Prince and Mani on the same level? Is Mani a famous entertainer with millions of albums sold and an eccentric image to live up to? No. She's nobody I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section I don't even understand why Prince is being brought in this conversation. I've never seen him boasting on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or MTV Cribs. The only time we saw that house in Spain was when it was up for sale. I've never seen him in an interview listing all of the designers he wears. He's never invited the media into his personal home(s). 3121 was created to entertain people. The only images I saw of that were when I bought the cd. Truth is, we see Prince, mostly, at events and when he's performing or being interviewed didn't take much time to google those names up The first two I already knew. The others ones I did NOT get from google or any other search engine | |
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xplnyrslf said: Janfriend said
In terms of custom made guitars, I don't see that as frivilous because he is , afterall, a phenomenal musician and should have the best quality [/b You're misunderstanding me.[b] There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable. It is my personal belief that there is a such thing as too much. And really, who is she? How was she able to start this charity? With what, or whose [b]money? What university degree does she have?[/b] I can only assume she "earned" her money by laying on her back and spreading her legs We humans have a disgusting need to rationalize out over-indulgence[/quote] EXPLNYRSLF'S RESPONSE:
What I'm seeing is a double standard. There's justification for PRINCE'S high end tastes, but anyone else, it's unacceptable?? If indeed this is what your standard of behavior is,then it applies across the board....Prince included. What are you talking about? No one said it was bad to have high end taste. Who is "anyone else?" Can you explain who "anyone else" is. Please give me a list. Please re-read everything I wrote. Quoting snippets only serve your purpose Your statement about Mani "spreading her legs" taints any position you have. You're clearly subjective. Questioning her education?? And what college did Prince graduate from? She's doing a hell of alot more to improve things than anyone on this website.
I'll even go so far as to say you have an underlying dislike of her for personal reasons. Don't bother with irrational logic. I don't know her personally and I don't have anything personal against her, so you're going way too far. I see her the same way Kevin Federline or anybody else who becomes famous because of their family or who they're married to. You're damn right I questioned her education. I only know what I see and I have only seen on Prince's arm. We all know she wasn't doing anything before working at Paisley Park. So really, where's you're irrational logic coming from? I watch CNN and read the newspaper everyday and have only heard about her charity HERE! Prince going to college has nothing to do with this conversation. Prince has nothing to do with this conversation at all. We are talking about MANUELA TESTOLINI. You really don't know what the hell anybody on this website is doing to improve things, so that was a very biased and ignorant statement. You and Mani must be best friends | |
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MANI IS IN HER OWN LITTLE SELFISH BOX LIKE MOST PEOPLE HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CALLED TO A DOMESTIC AND PICKED A HALF DEAD GIRL OF THE FLOOR AS SHE IS BEGGING A OFFICER NOT TO TAKE HIM AWAY ASK HER WHERE HER CHILDREN ARE AND SHE SAYS THEY ARE SLEEPING FUNNY EVERYTIME I HEAR THIS AND GO TO THE CHILDRENS ROOM THEY ARE UNDER THE BED SAYING THE SAME PRAYER AND WISHING THEY WERENT THERE OR JUST MISSING THE ANIMAL CONTROL USING A MOM DOG AND PUPPYS FOR TARGET PRACTICE AND NEEDING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS BEING INTERROGATED BY THE POLICE AND FBI OVER A CONVIVTION LIKE MINE TOWARD ANIMALS AND CHILDREN GET IN THE TRENCHES AND MAYBE U WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR CHANGE JUST ONE LIFE | |
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misslilly said: MANI IS IN HER OWN LITTLE SELFISH BOX LIKE MOST PEOPLE HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CALLED TO A DOMESTIC AND PICKED A HALF DEAD GIRL OF THE FLOOR AS SHE IS BEGGING A OFFICER NOT TO TAKE HIM AWAY ASK HER WHERE HER CHILDREN ARE AND SHE SAYS THEY ARE SLEEPING FUNNY EVERYTIME I HEAR THIS AND GO TO THE CHILDRENS ROOM THEY ARE UNDER THE BED SAYING THE SAME PRAYER AND WISHING THEY WERENT THERE OR JUST MISSING THE ANIMAL CONTROL USING A MOM DOG AND PUPPYS FOR TARGET PRACTICE AND NEEDING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS BEING INTERROGATED BY THE POLICE AND FBI OVER A CONVIVTION LIKE MINE TOWARD ANIMALS AND CHILDREN GET IN THE TRENCHES AND MAYBE U WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR CHANGE JUST ONE LIFE
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Janfriend said: Since when are Prince and Mani on the same level? Is Mani a famous entertainer with millions of albums sold and an eccentric image to live up to? No. She's nobody I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section I don't even understand why Prince is being brought in this conversation. I've never seen him boasting on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or MTV Cribs. The only time we saw that house in Spain was when it was up for sale. I've never seen him in an interview listing all of the designers he wears. He's never invited the media into his personal home(s). 3121 was created to entertain people. The only images I saw of that were when I bought the cd. Truth is, we see Prince, mostly, at events and when he's performing or being interviewed What about Oprah? Founder of Angel Network, and that girls school in South Africa---she has her own magazine and she's always on the cover; or the AIDS print ads with Brad Pitt, Hillary Swank, etc drawing attention to that crisis. Like it or not fame, style, and fashion go hand in hand most times. Having a polished look is important, especially if you're running a philanthrophy/company-- you want to project an image that you are successful and therefore your business is successful. Since when are Prince & Mani not on the same level? They are both human beings, right? It just seems like you have a double standard towards Mani. I brought Prince up for comparision b/c I figured most people here would be familiar with him. You imply that it's okay for him to spend excessively on guitars, clothing, etc b/c it's part of his "persona/profession" but Mani is not allowed to do so because ???? There are plenty of musicians who do not wear Versace or tailor made clothing, drive custom painted purple Bentley's, make everyone leave restaurants when they come in to eat, or have the same model guitar in 5 different colors...so for you to excuse Prince for doing that weakens your argument towards Mani, in my opinion. I have no problem that Prince does those things...it's not my business; just as it's not my business what Mani spends her money on. Actually, I think that might be more to the crux of your issue--it seems that you don't think it's Mani's money to spend; but that's not really any of our business, is it? I know that I you are not going to change your mind, that's fine...I'm just trying to point out what seems to be a double standard in your train of thought. . [Edited 2/4/07 20:01pm] The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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janfriend said....b]What are you talking about? No one said it was bad to have high end taste.[/b] Who is "anyone else?" Can you explain who "anyone else" is. Please give me a list. Please re-read everything I wrote. Quoting snippets only serve your purpose
Your statement about Mani "spreading her legs" taints any position you have. You're clearly subjective. Questioning her education?? And what college did Prince graduate from? She's doing a hell of alot more to improve things than anyone on this website.
I'll even go so far as to say you have an underlying dislike of her for personal reasons. Don't bother with irrational logic. I don't know her personally and I don't have anything personal against her, so you're going way too far. I see her the same way Kevin Federline or anybody else who becomes famous because of their family or who they're married to. You're damn right I questioned her education. I only know what I see and I have only seen on Prince's arm. We all know she wasn't doing anything before working at Paisley Park. So really, where's you're irrational logic coming from? I watch CNN and read the newspaper everyday and have only heard about her charity HERE! Prince going to college has nothing to do with this conversation. Prince has nothing to do with this conversation at all. We are talking about MANUELA TESTOLINI. You really don't know what the hell anybody on this website is doing to improve things, so that was a very biased and ignorant statement. You and Mani must be best friends[/quote] Yuppers. Post # 14: "Whoever calls themself a follower of Jesus and spends frivilous amts of money on brand names is a little fucked up" Post#27: "If someone follows the teachings of Jesus and wants to be Christ-like, having a $2,000.00 outfit is seriously out of wack." Post #29 "There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable." Need I say more?? and no, I'm not best friends with Mani. My suggestion....develope a philosophy, then stick with it. [b][Edited 2/4/07 21:04pm] | |
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xplnyrslf said: janfriend said....b]What are you talking about? No one said it was bad to have high end taste.[/b] Who is "anyone else?" Can you explain who "anyone else" is. Please give me a list. Please re-read everything I wrote. Quoting snippets only serve your purpose
Your statement about Mani "spreading her legs" taints any position you have. You're clearly subjective. Questioning her education?? And what college did Prince graduate from? She's doing a hell of alot more to improve things than anyone on this website.
I'll even go so far as to say you have an underlying dislike of her for personal reasons. Don't bother with irrational logic. I don't know her personally and I don't have anything personal against her, so you're going way too far. I see her the same way Kevin Federline or anybody else who becomes famous because of their family or who they're married to. You're damn right I questioned her education. I only know what I see and I have only seen on Prince's arm. We all know she wasn't doing anything before working at Paisley Park. So really, where's you're irrational logic coming from? I watch CNN and read the newspaper everyday and have only heard about her charity HERE! Prince going to college has nothing to do with this conversation. Prince has nothing to do with this conversation at all. We are talking about MANUELA TESTOLINI. You really don't know what the hell anybody on this website is doing to improve things, so that was a very biased and ignorant statement. You and Mani must be best friends Yuppers. Post # 14: "Whoever calls themself a follower of Jesus and spends frivilous amts of money on brand names is a little fucked up"
Post#27: "If someone follows the teachings of Jesus and wants to be Christ-like, having a $2,000.00 outfit is seriously out of wack." Post #29 "There's nothing wrong with having nice things and being comfortable." Need I say more?? and no, I'm not best friends with Mani. My suggestion....develope a philosophy, then stick with it. [b][Edited 2/4/07 21:04pm] Do you have a point with the bolding of only parts of what I said? I don't see the point you're trying to make. You're just trying to serve a purpose and not very well. What is your point? There is a difference between having nice things and being a frivilous spender. Sorry that you don't see the difference. You must be one of those people who equates the two. I didn't bring Prince into the conversation, someone else did. [Edited 2/4/07 23:11pm] | |
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jone70 said: Janfriend said: Since when are Prince and Mani on the same level? Is Mani a famous entertainer with millions of albums sold and an eccentric image to live up to? No. She's nobody I never heard of Marianne Williamson, founder of Project Angel Food being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Elizabeth Glazer, founder of the Pediatric Aids Foundation being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Society of America being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Dr. Lois Lee, founder of Children of the Night being interviewed in the style section I never heard of Mark Crea, Executive Director and CEO of Feed My Starving Children being interviewed in the style section I don't even understand why Prince is being brought in this conversation. I've never seen him boasting on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or MTV Cribs. The only time we saw that house in Spain was when it was up for sale. I've never seen him in an interview listing all of the designers he wears. He's never invited the media into his personal home(s). 3121 was created to entertain people. The only images I saw of that were when I bought the cd. Truth is, we see Prince, mostly, at events and when he's performing or being interviewed What about Oprah? Founder of Angel Network, and that girls school in South Africa---she has her own magazine and she's always on the cover; or the AIDS print ads with Brad Pitt, Hillary Swank, etc drawing attention to that crisis. Like it or not fame, style, and fashion go hand in hand most times. Having a polished look is important, especially if you're running a philanthrophy/company-- you want to project an image that you are successful and therefore your business is successful. Since when are Prince & Mani not on the same level? They are both human beings, right? It just seems like you have a double standard towards Mani. I brought Prince up for comparision b/c I figured most people here would be familiar with him. You imply that it's okay for him to spend excessively on guitars, clothing, etc b/c it's part of his "persona/profession" but Mani is not allowed to do so because ???? There are plenty of musicians who do not wear Versace or tailor made clothing, drive custom painted purple Bentley's, make everyone leave restaurants when they come in to eat, or have the same model guitar in 5 different colors...so for you to excuse Prince for doing that weakens your argument towards Mani, in my opinion. I have no problem that Prince does those things...it's not my business; just as it's not my business what Mani spends her money on. Actually, I think that might be more to the crux of your issue--it seems that you don't think it's Mani's money to spend; but that's not really any of our business, is it? I know that I you are not going to change your mind, that's fine...I'm just trying to point out what seems to be a double standard in your train of thought. . [Edited 2/4/07 20:01pm] 1. Oprah didn't start her career as a founder of a charity. I think she's on the frivilous side a little also 2 Brad and Hilary are celebrities doing endorsements. They are not founders of charities 3. Why are you equating a polished look with a price tag or name brand? You can look just as polished without the designer label 4. I don't care whose money she's spending. That's not the issue 5. If you want to make a thread about Prince's excessiveness, go ahead. There's no need to come on here and compare Mani and Prince with their levels of spending. I do see a difference between personal spending and spending specifically for your job function This is my personal belief: Boasting is pride and pride is wrong. Being able to afford nice things is fine. Having nice things is fine. Boasting about the nice things you have is wrong. Paying ridiculouse amounts for something simply because of the label is disgusting Examples: I saw a nice blouse in the store. It was made by Baby Phat. The price was $70.00. My stomach turned and I put it back on the rack. That is unjustifiable. I can buy a family a goat with that money and help them be self-reliant Michael Jackson was on that documentary with Martin Bashir buying 6 of these and 5 of those, etc. It was disgusting. Yet, he wants to heal the world Beyonce sings about all the marterialistic things she posseses as if it puts value on who she is. Sick and sad These people supposedly follow the teachings of the Bible with states Pride is a sin I believe in simplified living and modesty. If I had all those designer labels in my closet I would never tell you or anybody else. It doesn't any value to who I am as a person. I am not more or less important due to the label on my back. My sister bought me a Coach purse and it meant nothing to me. My co-worker was up in arms that I had it on the floor 
This society is sick with its gluttonous attitude towards a lot of things A charity founder has no business in the style section and we shouldn't care what a charity founder wears nor should he/she wants to be featured in that section | |
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jone70 said: So by your definition, is Prince "fucked up" too? Just trying to clarify because he was (as you posted) baptised a JW and I think its fair to say we've seen him wear tailor made suits, Versace, and use expensive custom made guitars. Or is that part of what is required for his profession as musician and thus, not "fucked up"?
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