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NewzFlash: Tamar is a signed artist Ok, so usually when "I" post something on the org, it gets deleted 4 some odd reason. Anyhow I am proud to inform everyone that "Tamar" is signed to Universal Music Group.
So for those wondering why "Prince" is promoting her, she is his label mate and she's da bomb! Thanx PP6! www.newpowerdetroit.com www.myspace.com/torjuan Prince Fams Link Up! | |
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I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control. | |
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NPD313 said: Ok, so usually when "I" post something on the org, it gets deleted 4 some odd
REPORTED!!! | |
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Ah, I was wondering about that. Thanks. Starrfighter | |
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lovemachine said: I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control.
ya know! time will tell, but if she aint keeping her masters prince sure do got some explaining to do! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Moonwalkbjrain said: lovemachine said: I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control.
ya know! time will tell, but if she aint keeping her masters prince sure do got some explaining to do!  Though personally, I'd like to see the terms of Prince's contract with Universal (and I'm sure there's something on paper, no matter what he claimed at the press conference)."I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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if you search for TAMAR on amazon.com, it does find a self titled album from a few years ago...
it seems as tho' she was also a member of the braxtons... is this the same person??? | |
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scrambledeggsaresoboring said: if you search for TAMAR on amazon.com, it does find a self titled album from a few years ago...
it seems as tho' she was also a member of the braxtons... is this the same person??? No. Tamar Braxton and Ashley Ta'mar Davis are two different people. More info here: http://www.prince.org/msg/5/171089 |
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NPD313 said: Ok, so usually when "I" post something on the org, it gets deleted 4 some odd reason.
A conspiracy, I tells ya. A C-O-N... spiracy  | |
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NPD313 said: Ok, so usually when "I" post something on the org, it gets deleted 4 some odd reason. !
Who is U though.... 
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CandaceS said: Moonwalkbjrain said: ya know! time will tell, but if she aint keeping her masters prince sure do got some explaining to do! Though personally, I'd like to see the terms of Prince's contract with Universal (and I'm sure there's something on paper, no matter what he claimed at the press conference).o yea theres def. something on paper, but i think its pretty safe to say that he's keeping his masters all things considered Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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lovemachine said: I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control.
I guess we know the answer to that question now. Someone at HQ posted scans of the back cover and CD label of Ta'mar's promo single and the copyright and patent indicia didn't read "Universal Records" or even "NPG Records" but instead read "Ashley Ta'mar Davis". http://www.housequake.com...adid=57967 [Edited 2/2/06 22:28pm] |
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funny how much you can learn from French music news sites
i'm still waiting for some of that news to get over here i have no idea how they do it, but they know A LOT | |
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lovemachine said: I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control.
----- Because P has said in many interviews that a big label contract is good for a new artist. Not so good once you have established yourself. I can't figure out why so many orgers keep defending the music industry practices or trying bust on P when ever he has some dealings with the industry. When he has explained it all 100 times already. | |
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laurarichardson said: lovemachine said: I wonder if she is keeping her masters because how could Prince advise someone to sign a "con"tract where the artist wasn't in complete control.
----- Because P has said in many interviews that a big label contract is good for a new artist. Not so good once you have established yourself. I can't figure out why so many orgers keep defending the music industry practices or trying bust on P when ever he has some dealings with the industry. When he has explained it all 100 times already. Because he's a hypocrite. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: ----- Because P has said in many interviews that a big label contract is good for a new artist. Not so good once you have established yourself. I can't figure out why so many orgers keep defending the music industry practices or trying bust on P when ever he has some dealings with the industry. When he has explained it all 100 times already. Because he's a hypocrite. ----- If he could not get her the same deal that would not make him a hypocrite. P can't force a label to give up the master tape to every artist he takes a fancy to. However, recently WB said they would be allowing artist to own their masters on their Download only label. So somebody thinks P's idea is pretty good. You guys are trip with your attitudes. | |
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laurarichardson said: BlaqueKnight said: Because he's a hypocrite. ----- If he could not get her the same deal that would not make him a hypocrite. P can't force a label to give up the master tape to every artist he takes a fancy to. However, recently WB said they would be allowing artist to own their masters on their Download only label. So somebody thinks P's idea is pretty good. You guys are trip with your attitudes. Um...people, this discussion appears to be academic. Maybe my earlier post wasn't clear enough. The copyright and patent credit (indicating ownership of the recording) for Tamar's promo CD doesn't belong to ANY record company (not even Prince's NPG Records), but is given to "Ashley Tamar Davis", which suggests that she does indeed own her masters in her deal with Universal. |
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She's Really Great.....Now, I gotta find her other cd. This woman ROCKS HARD..How come nobody EVER HEARD of her BEFORE...VERY WONDERFUL.... [Edited 2/4/06 0:42am] | |
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Zelaira said: She's Really Great.....Now, I gotta find her other cd. This woman ROCKS HARD..How come nobody EVER HEARD of her BEFORE...VERY WONDERFUL....
[Edited 2/4/06 0:42am] we have heard of her before her name was Ashley | |
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: ----- Because P has said in many interviews that a big label contract is good for a new artist. Not so good once you have established yourself. I can't figure out why so many orgers keep defending the music industry practices or trying bust on P when ever he has some dealings with the industry. When he has explained it all 100 times already. Because he's a hypocrite.  Space for sale... | |
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redflag said: laurarichardson said: ----- If he could not get her the same deal that would not make him a hypocrite. P can't force a label to give up the master tape to every artist he takes a fancy to. However, recently WB said they would be allowing artist to own their masters on their Download only label. So somebody thinks P's idea is pretty good. You guys are trip with your attitudes. Um...people, this discussion appears to be academic. Maybe my earlier post wasn't clear enough. The copyright and patent credit (indicating ownership of the recording) for Tamar's promo CD doesn't belong to ANY record company (not even Prince's NPG Records), but is given to "Ashley Tamar Davis", which suggests that she does indeed own her masters in her deal with Universal. ----- Thanks RedFlag. We got a few folks who can't seem to catch on . | |
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snailedit [Edited 2/8/06 15:25pm] | |
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If you guys think Tamar owns her masters just b/c a promo cd doesn't say (c)Universal or (c)NPG you're frickin' crazy. I guarantee you either Universal or Prince owns her masters. If Prince produced the whole record and wrote most of the songs, I would bet NPG owns the master and he licensed it to Universal just like his own record 3121. No record label, in their right mind, would sign an unknown and give them the rights to the masters. ~And even when I'm right, I'll be wrong...it's Automatic too. | |
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tbag said: If you guys think Tamar owns her masters just b/c a promo cd doesn't say (c)Universal or (c)NPG you're frickin' crazy. I guarantee you either Universal or Prince owns her masters. If Prince produced the whole record and wrote most of the songs, I would bet NPG owns the master and he licensed it to Universal just like his own record 3121. No record label, in their right mind, would sign an unknown and give them the rights to the masters.
That may well be the case, but until someone actually presents some facts to counter the credits (as has been done with various songwriting credits over the years) anything else is merely speculation. BTW, when Canadian rock artist Bif Naked (unknown in the U.S. at the time, and actually since) released her major label American debut on Atlantic a few years ago she was able to own her masters and I understand that The White Stripes own all of their masters as well so sometimes new or unknown acts CAN sometimes get deals with majors to own their masters. [Edited 2/9/06 11:26am] |
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redflag said: tbag said: If you guys think Tamar owns her masters just b/c a promo cd doesn't say (c)Universal or (c)NPG you're frickin' crazy. I guarantee you either Universal or Prince owns her masters. If Prince produced the whole record and wrote most of the songs, I would bet NPG owns the master and he licensed it to Universal just like his own record 3121. No record label, in their right mind, would sign an unknown and give them the rights to the masters.
That may well be the case, but until someone actually presents some facts to counter the credits (as has been done with various songwriting credits over the years) anything else is merely speculation. BTW, when Canadian rock artist Bif Naked (unknown in the U.S. at the time, and actually since) released her major label American debut on Atlantic a few years ago she was able to own her masters and I understand that The White Stripes own all of their masters as well so sometimes new or unknown acts CAN sometimes get deals with majors to own their masters. [Edited 2/9/06 11:26am] That may be the case but I guarantee you those artists were already selling tons of CDs on their own before they signed to a major. In that case, the artist has clout and can dictate whether or not they own their masters. Also, artists that own their masters usually have their own studios/equipment/engineers, etc so they can pay for the creation of their album. Tamar doesn't have any kind of track record or underground fanbase to justify a label giving her that much. We'll see... ~And even when I'm right, I'll be wrong...it's Automatic too. | |
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tbag said: redflag said: That may well be the case, but until someone actually presents some facts to counter the credits (as has been done with various songwriting credits over the years) anything else is merely speculation. BTW, when Canadian rock artist Bif Naked (unknown in the U.S. at the time, and actually since) released her major label American debut on Atlantic a few years ago she was able to own her masters and I understand that The White Stripes own all of their masters as well so sometimes new or unknown acts CAN sometimes get deals with majors to own their masters. [Edited 2/9/06 11:26am] That may be the case but I guarantee you those artists were already selling tons of CDs on their own before they signed to a major. In that case, the artist has clout and can dictate whether or not they own their masters. Also, artists that own their masters usually have their own studios/equipment/engineers, etc so they can pay for the creation of their album. Tamar doesn't have any kind of track record or underground fanbase to justify a label giving her that much. We'll see... Well, we both know Tamar didn't get her deal "on her own" and that Prince facilitated her deal with Universal as he has all the resources and the track record you mentioned. The question is, what kind of deal Tamar has with Prince. In my own mind I've speculated that "Ashley Tamar Davis" is a cover name for a LLC that Prince has a majority interest in with Tamar and perhaps Universal, but I have nothing to back that up with. So I'm certainly not going to publicly call Prince a hypocrite or a liar based on that. |
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tbag said: If you guys think Tamar owns her masters just b/c a promo cd doesn't say (c)Universal or (c)NPG you're frickin' crazy. I guarantee you either Universal or Prince owns her masters. If Prince produced the whole record and wrote most of the songs, I would bet NPG owns the master and he licensed it to Universal just like his own record 3121. No record label, in their right mind, would sign an unknown and give them the rights to the masters.
----- Sorry but WB started a on line label that will allow artist to own their masters and Koch records let's artist own their own masters. So things have changed a little bit in the music game. | |
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