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PrintableJQuad said: Funny....I was gonna add my list of names. But being that its 2 sides to every story. I'll wait for P's autobiography. Especially since none of the above persons named are gonna do any interviews anytime soon.
Rosie ain't shy about talking about her experiences and Eric Leeds while very diplomatic, has been open about his periodic "money" issues with P as well. It's Wendy that I get the biggest kick from watching. Wendy will find the most subtle ways to express some of her sentiments. Even at Family Jamm, I found her message to be quite telling as she "carefully" choose her words.  | |
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Averett said: JQuad said: Funny....I was gonna add my list of names. But being that its 2 sides to every story. I'll wait for P's autobiography. Especially since none of the above persons named are gonna do any interviews anytime soon.
Rosie ain't shy about talking about her experiences and Eric Leeds while very diplomatic, has been open about his periodic "money" issues with P as well. It's Wendy that I get the biggest kick from watching. Wendy will find the most subtle ways to express some of her sentiments. Even at Family Jamm, I found her message to be quite telling as she "carefully" choose her words. cha know, wendy has foot-in-mouth disease big time.....that woman is never careful about saying things....unless its at an event like family jamm..but get her in a small intimate settings (oh like say a tv talk show or mag interview) and the woman gets diariah of the mouth, big time...  Space for sale... | |
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Averett said: blackguitaristz said: Jill is a great pick. Originally, J.J. had a MUCH bigger part in Purple Rain, but it was cut waaay down. I always felt P thought Jill was a threat to him. She's a great vocalist, which he used to death all over the 1999 album. BUT, because of that, I think he tried to hold her back later on. Dogging her out by allowing her part to be cut down, script wise, in Purple Rain. Doing the same AGAIN in the GB movie. He was constantly slapping her in the face with that shit. Jill was a strong willed woman, much in the same way as Lisa and Wendy. She probably didn't kiss his insecure ass enough, so his way of getting her back was treating her the way he did. I heard that P was somewhat jealous of Mark Brown. Mark was 18 when he first joined P on the Contoversy tour. He was with P on P's way up. He was 19 and 20 during the 1999 tour, and 21 during the Purple Rain explosion. U know Mark, being the ONLY other brother in the band, was living it up with the female fans. I heard P was very jealous of that. He felt Mark hadn't "payed his dues". It wasn't Mark's fault that he was as young as he was when he joined P and Mark's timing couldn't have been any better. But, I have to go with Andre. Andre's family basically took care of P when he had no where else to go. Andre's mother, who already had her own family, brought P's ass in. Fed him and put clothes on his back. And for P to do Andre the way he did, was waaay out fucked up. Andre and his family had something to do with P getting signed. Without them, P's state of mind would have not been there cuz he would have been more concerned with where in the fuck he was going to sleep. Jill is an interesting pick but I kind of look at her situation with a "glass is half full" perspective. Unlike some of P's associates who were promised solo albums that never materialized (ie. Rosie), Jill's was released after a great deal of time and care was put into it. Another positive point that makes Jill's situation a little brighter compared to other associates is the fact that she was given co-writing credit on many songs unlike many of P's other proteges. On the other hand, Brownmark is someone I would definitely consider as being screwed by Prince. What happened between them? I thought Mark didn't leave him when the revolution disbanded. So what's the scoop? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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beret1022 said: DavidEye said: She also said that,when she fianlly decided to leave the Prince camp in late 1985,Prince told her "You'll never make it without me". - and he was right.  | |
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prodigalfan said: Averett said: Jill is an interesting pick but I kind of look at her situation with a "glass is half full" perspective. Unlike some of P's associates who were promised solo albums that never materialized (ie. Rosie), Jill's was released after a great deal of time and care was put into it. Another positive point that makes Jill's situation a little brighter compared to other associates is the fact that she was given co-writing credit on many songs unlike many of P's other proteges. On the other hand, Brownmark is someone I would definitely consider as being screwed by Prince. What happened between them? I thought Mark didn't leave him when the revolution disbanded. So what's the scoop? Mark did leave The Revolution when they disbanded in late 1986.He signed a contract with Motown,and he seemed really bitter in his interviews from this period. | |
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sitruk7 said: Averett said: I'm surprised to see you mention St. Paul. Aside from putting the Family's promotional work on hold during UTCM filming (which hurt the group and not just the front man) and then calling Paul a punk in concert (after he left the Prince circle), what else did Prince do to him that was so bad? Seems to me that Morris got treated worse than Paul  Prince and Morris seemed to eventually make amends. I'm not sure about Paul and P.That "St.Paul,punk o' the month" chant on the Parade tour as well as the references to him in Dream Factory were my main points in how bad Prince treated St.Paul. BrownMark is another good choice! ----- St. Paul abandoned the Family project. He is luck he only got called a punk and Prince did not sue him. | |
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blackguitaristz said: DavidEye said: What about Jill Jones? She's been in the Prince camp since 1982,but had to wait until 1987 for her album to be released! In addition,she had the smallest roles in 'Purple Rain' and 'Graffiti Bridge'.She had to sit back and watch other,less-talented female proteges steal Prince's attention.Then,when she finally decided to leave the Prince camp in the early 90s,her Paisley Park recording contract prevented her from releasing any music for many years. Jill is a great pick. Originally, J.J. had a MUCH bigger part in Purple Rain, but it was cut waaay down. I always felt P thought Jill was a threat to him. She's a great vocalist, which he used to death all over the 1999 album. BUT, because of that, I think he tried to hold her back later on. Dogging her out by allowing her part to be cut down, script wise, in Purple Rain. Doing the same AGAIN in the GB movie. He was constantly slapping her in the face with that shit. Jill was a strong willed woman, much in the same way as Lisa and Wendy. She probably didn't kiss his insecure ass enough, so his way of getting her back was treating her the way he did. I heard that P was somewhat jealous of Mark Brown. Mark was 18 when he first joined P on the Contoversy tour. He was with P on P's way up. He was 19 and 20 during the 1999 tour, and 21 during the Purple Rain explosion. U know Mark, being the ONLY other brother in the band, was living it up with the female fans. I heard P was very jealous of that. He felt Mark hadn't "payed his dues". It wasn't Mark's fault that he was as young as he was when he joined P and Mark's timing couldn't have been any better. But, I have to go with Andre. Andre's family basically took care of P when he had no where else to go. Andre's mother, who already had her own family, brought P's ass in. Fed him and put clothes on his back. And for P to do Andre the way he did, was waaay out fucked up. Andre and his family had something to do with P getting signed. Without them, P's state of mind would have not been there cuz he would have been more concerned with where in the fuck he was going to sleep. ----- I can't understand the love for Jill Jones voice. I think she has a terrible voice. I was very disappointed when I finally heard her CD. I don't think that chick is a threat to anyone. You got to realize P is a pretty boy and he is always going to want to be the center of attention I can believe he gave Mark the only other brother around a hard time. | |
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why did prince dogged so many people back in the day.  | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: why did prince dogged so many people back in the day.
still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Tiffypoo2004 said: why did prince dogged so many people back in the day.
still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... well i sure hope he doesnt dogs out his fans the people who made him a star cause if u does he wont have many fans. | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: sosgemini said: still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... well i sure hope he doesnt dogs out his fans the people who made him a star cause if u does he wont have many fans. crystal ball..... 
actually, thanks to the net he seems to have fixed his past screw-ups with fans....and hopefully situations like that wont be repeated again...hopefully one day he his conscious will get to him and he will make an effort to ammend his past obligations... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Tiffypoo2004 said: well i sure hope he doesnt dogs out his fans the people who made him a star cause if u does he wont have many fans. crystal ball.....
actually, thanks to the net he seems to have fixed his past screw-ups with fans....and hopefully situations like that wont be repeated again...hopefully one day he his conscious will get to him and he will make an effort to ammend his past obligations... well if he claims to be a religious person he will have a conscious and fix his past problems with the people that he has hurted. thats what i think. [Edited 5/11/05 12:07pm] | |
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prodigalfan said: sitruk7 said: Alexander O Neal
Andre Cymone St.Paul I have heard about Cymone, but what's the scoop about O'neal? I remember reading an article years ago in Rolling Stone magazine. It was an interview with Alexander O Neal. He stated that during the days when he was supposed to be the original lead singer for The Time that he was so strong willed and also this was his partying period that if he wanted to get high backstage before a show then he would do it and this didn't gel well with Prince so he was replaced by bringing Morris Day from the drums to lead singer. | |
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eldog98 said: prodigalfan said: I have heard about Cymone, but what's the scoop about O'neal? I remember reading an article years ago in Rolling Stone magazine. It was an interview with Alexander O Neal. He stated that during the days when he was supposed to be the original lead singer for The Time that he was so strong willed and also this was his partying period that if he wanted to get high backstage before a show then he would do it and this didn't gel well with Prince so he was replaced by bringing Morris Day from the drums to lead singer.  | |
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sosgemini said: Tiffypoo2004 said: why did prince dogged so many people back in the day.
still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... What happened with Chaka Khan?? I KNOW he didn't mess with the original Princess of Soul!!!!! "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: sosgemini said: still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... What happened with Chaka Khan?? I KNOW he didn't mess with the original Princess of Soul!!!!! it had to do with Come To My House.....not sure exactly what went down but she wasnt happy at all with the business side of things and i dont think her and prince are on good terms anymore.... Space for sale... | |
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eldog98 said: prodigalfan said: I have heard about Cymone, but what's the scoop about O'neal? I remember reading an article years ago in Rolling Stone magazine. It was an interview with Alexander O Neal. He stated that during the days when he was supposed to be the original lead singer for The Time that he was so strong willed and also this was his partying period that if he wanted to get high backstage before a show then he would do it and this didn't gel well with Prince so he was replaced by bringing Morris Day from the drums to lead singer. I am not sure Oneal has any grounds for beefing at Prince.
If this is Prince's project and you have someone who is "strong willed" then as the project manager you have to have the final say. If someone is not on board with the group, the 2 parties should go separate ways. It happened with P and Sheila E in the late 80's. She is still on good terms with P. And the part about parting back stage... I am not with that at all. You are there to do a job, and if I went to work and got high in the break room before going out to do a job... then I would be fired. Some of this stuff is common sense. It seems the partying of the ways, was for the good for Oneal. I think he has a better reputation as an RB singer than Morris. Morris is more of the comedy "bafoon" type. Not saying that is wrong, but I think Oneal wanted to treat the Time as a serious RB band and P had other thoughts. I am glad that Oneal went on his own. Some of his hits in the 80's are my fave. NONE of Morris's solo effort have made an impact, except to Prince hardcore fans. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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thesexofit said: St paul and Prince musta made up. St paul is on prince's omnibus BBC documentary back in 1991. I think they even show a clip of his video stranger to love.
damon and tony m I assume got fired. Prince could not take damon pulling faces on tour anymore or tony screwing carmen behind his back ( don't go there). Um, could we go there? What happened to Tony M? Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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doctamario said: thesexofit said: St paul and Prince musta made up. St paul is on prince's omnibus BBC documentary back in 1991. I think they even show a clip of his video stranger to love.
damon and tony m I assume got fired. Prince could not take damon pulling faces on tour anymore or tony screwing carmen behind his back ( don't go there). Um, could we go there? What happened to Tony M? | |
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sosgemini said: Tiffypoo2004 said: why did prince dogged so many people back in the day.
still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... Damn, I don't know anything about any of this. Well, I guess I have to start somewhere. What's the deal with Kevin Smith? Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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doctamario said: sosgemini said: still does...the list goes on...kevin smith, chaka khan, that guy that made that special cane a few years back... and there is still compensation issues from past band members that prince refuses to resolve... prince, like a lot of great artist, is concerned about numbero uno.... Damn, I don't know anything about any of this. Well, I guess I have to start somewhere. What's the deal with Kevin Smith? | |
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MsLegs said: doctamario said: Damn, I don't know anything about any of this. Well, I guess I have to start somewhere. What's the deal with Kevin Smith? 
was invited to come to the celebration and document it...smith is a huge prince fan....but first and foremost he is a filmmaker. now, when he agreed to do it he figured he would go with his camera and film the celebration and edit it and take things from there.. well, prince sorta dictated what smith was to do...which, cha know is a-okay when you are highering someone to work but he didnt hire smith..he just asked him if he would like to come and document it..... then, smith was forced to document prince taking part in these "religious debates" needless to say smith (who had brought his wife along) wasnt too happy and left before the event ended.... Space for sale... | |
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And this is all on the Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back DVD? Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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doctamario said: And this is all on the Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back DVD?
not that one....its a "conversation with kevin smith" dvd that he sells on his site... kevin smith has a wonderful reputation for telling stories (verbally)....he has actually been paid to appear on many dvd commentaries because of his gift for gab..and has appeard on dinner for five often... i love to hear him speak more then i do watching his films..  Space for sale... | |
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OK, thankx.
So, what's the deal with Andre Cymone? I thought those two were bros for life Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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*paging vainandy..
andy will be your next tour guide during your bitter associate tour... thanks for riding!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: *paging vainandy..
andy will be your next tour guide during your bitter associate tour... thanks for riding!! Here I am!Andy is a four letter word. | |
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doctamario said: OK, thankx.
So, what's the deal with Andre Cymone? I thought those two were bros for life Andre contributed to some songs and Prince didn't give him credit. Andre, of all people, had a right to pissed because his mother had taken Prince in and he lived with Andre in her basement. It really pissed him off when Prince betrayed him and he was one of the first to leave. [Edited 5/11/05 23:33pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Andre contributed to some songs and Prince didn't give him credit. Andre, of all people, had a right to pissed because his mother had taken Prince in and he lived with Andre in her basement. It really pissed him off when Prince betrayed him and he was one of the first to leave. [Edited 5/11/05 23:33pm]  | |
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vainandy said: Andre contributed to some songs and Prince didn't give him credit. Andre, of all people, had a right to pissed because his mother had taken Prince in and he lived with Andre in her basement. It really pissed him off when Prince betrayed him and he was one of the first to leave. [Edited 5/11/05 23:33pm] Cool thankx. When'd he leave? Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
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