BASICALLY THIS SITE HAS HAD ITS DAY FOR YEARS NOW!!!

I understand that they wanted to keep the show under wraps, that's fair enough as they don't want hundreds of people turning up without tickets. But not being able to talk about a Prince show after it's happened, well that's just ludicrous.

Hopefully it got recorded and we can all get to hear it eventually.

such a shame.

And yet news of the Koko gig was all over Facebook, where people predominately go now anyway now for news!! I for one dont come on here anymore for news I go straight to Facebook!!

i just dont want to see this site come under pressure not to post things in the future. Its not fair for the people running this site , or the real fans.

even dr funkenberry is reporting on it now, so im sure prince is fine with it

antonb said:

i just dont want to see this site come under pressure not to post things in the future. Its not fair for the people running this site , or the real fans.

If this site is constantly under pressure to post news and other stuff, then why is it even existing anymore?? It started out as a NEWS site and now it cant post news?? WTF is that??

well it sounds like this charity, is bigger than i thought. And has influence. Which is not good. The big people trying to keep the little people in check

This been insteresting to see unfold.

I'll definetely remember "some people's" behaviour next time I'm asked for a favour, or given some red-hot news or info.

i know someone who runs a small charity just in the yorkshire region. He works full time , and lives in a council house. They dont take a penny out of the pot for themselves. You dont go around demanding this and that, if you are running a genuine small charity. The bigger charities pay people lots of money to run them. Its a joke. And a very grey area! This autism charity seems like its running for the rich and famous , and protecting them, when they should be concentrating on more important issues.

Its not the founders of the site's fault. Does Ben and company have anything to do with it anymore? SNIP Living in fear of being shut down by Prince due to the content posted is ridiculous. The last time I checked, reporting news and comment is a fundamental freedom in the West. Is this website based in Egypt? Is it based in Iran or North Korea? No. It is based in the US. Even though this gig was meant to be a secret, the fact that the secret leaked makes it worthy of reporting. Even if you use your morality radar you will see there is no negative consequence for reporting it because, afterall, the gig was TO RAISE AWARENESS!!!

SNIP Prince doesnt have a leg to stand on legally so long as what is reported on the org is factual and it doesnt break the law (like posting links to bootlegs). As long as moderators stick to those rules, the org is safe from the Prince police. And those that argue that they want to keep in Prince's good books in order to keep the juicy news flowing in directly from Paisley Park.... well, the Org hasnt been used to supply exclusive news in a very long time making that a non argument.

antonb said:

i know someone who runs a small charity just in the yorkshire region. He works full time , and lives in a council house. They dont take a penny out of the pot for themselves. You dont go around demanding this and that, if you are running a genuine small charity. The bigger charities pay people lots of money to run them. Its a joke. And a very grey area! This autism charity seems like its running for the rich and famous , and protecting them, when they should be concentrating on more important issues.

Yeah, it's this sort of stuff that REALLY makes me question charities most of the time. I mean, I have aspergers and know people who suffer with it much more than I do, and will THEY see any 'awareness' or positive change in the way people view autism because of Autism Rocks? Probably not. To me, these sorts of 'VIP' gigs organised by charities for celebrities seem pretty shitty in the sense that what 'awareness' goes on stays in the sweaty, chamber of whatever venue it was staged at.

I don't blame Prince for the censoring of this topic, he just complied with the charities wishes.

Totally silly to not have a thread active while the concert is ongoing or remove it soon afterwards.

It. happened. It will be reported on mainstream media sites.

The twitchiness beforehand was understandable as it was supposed to be a charity/industry insider type affair only.

But now? Apply some common sense and rational thinking please.

Perhaps it is time that Prine.org is used primarily for more in-depth discussion of issues e.g. Direction of 3EG or detailed discussion of albums etc whilst other source focus on the 'news' aspects. There are a number of sites reported last nights concert and, of course, Prince Army and Purple Stream are there.

jayspud said:

e.g. Direction of 3EG

That's good in principle but what if you wanted to use the latest concert setlist and observations of stage presence, musicianship of 3EG to feed into that discussion?

To use this latest nervousness as an example, your comments might get snipped

KeithyT said:

jayspud said:

e.g. Direction of 3EG

That's good in principle but what if you wanted to use the latest concert setlist and observations of stage presence, musicianship of 3EG to feed into that discussion?

To use this latest nervousness as an example, your comments might get snipped

Yes, i think you have a point. It seems that this concert may simply be an exception due to the charity's requests. I haven't heard of a lot of other information being supressed (Although I wouldn't hear, would I!) so hopefully any other concerts, appearances would be fully reported. I do understand the difficulty ehrn it is simply rumour but this is now being widely reported in national newspapers. Although had I received an invite by email I am fairly sure I wouldn't have told a living soul!

Any admins commenting on this?

just seen on line, dont know if this is true, that upstairs tickets were 50 quid, downstairs, where the celebs, they were 200 quid? Is that all? I was expecting them to be like 500 or even a grand, 200 quid is loose change to the celebs, sure it wasnt just a love feast for the corporates?

antonb said:

Free speech, or do you get free tickets!

exactly,, close the site now..its a travesty

well at least this discussion hasnt been shut down.

antonb said:

well at least this discussion hasnt been shut down.

yet,,they should be ashamed of themselves really

and its been conveniently moved to this section , but never mind!

Waiting for an official response from the org on why and how hey did this (i.e. shoot a hot and current news item on Prince completely out of the water) - because as it is, their attempts to shut this up really make them lose their credibilty.

can i post?

You guys sure are brave with Ben's money.

Unless you want to set up a sizeable legal defense fund with your money, then you need to respect it when Ben and/or the mods err on the side of caution.

there was nothing wrong with wanting to talk about the show, it was not a compete secret, already been put out there. What you gonna do, start censoring about what you see? It was a bloody concert! i respect this site, what would we do without it? I think respect was shown before the concert was played. But then they starting deleting threads on it even after it had taken place. And its like "wait a minute" . You are allowed to discuss things in the uk arent you? I think, like alot of people, it was going too far. It was for charity for gods sake, unless there is something underhanded going on, what is really the problem?

antonb said:

...... You are allowed to discuss things in the uk arent you? I think, like alot of people, it was going too far. It was for charity for gods sake, unless there is something underhanded going on, what is really the problem?

SNIP

RebelJuice, you can discuss issues without being nasty

Attacking the moderators is not ok

-OF4S

antonb said:

there was nothing wrong with wanting to talk about the show, it was not a compete secret, already been put out there. What you gonna do, start censoring about what you see? It was a bloody concert! i respect this site, what would we do without it? I think respect was shown before the concert was played. But then they starting deleting threads on it even after it had taken place. And its like "wait a minute" . You are allowed to discuss things in the uk arent you? I think, like alot of people, it was going too far. It was for charity for gods sake, unless there is something underhanded going on, what is really the problem?

If this site gets sued by Prince, it is gone forever. Unless, of course, YOU want to pay the legal bills.

Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.

I've been on this site since Day 1. You've been here two years, so you weren't around for the debacle that led to Prince's recording of "P.F.U.N.K." Maybe you don't know Prince wrote that song in part about the Org. But trust me when I say - Prince loves the Org but will sue it off the face of the Earth in a heartbeat if he thinks the Org has violated the trust and agreement reached back in those days.

When the mods err on the side of caution, I can absolutely assure you it is done for one and only one reason - to avoid any possible litigation from Prince, which would result in the immediate shut-down of the Org.

Ben is not going to pay money out of his own pocket to defend the Org against Prince's phalanx of attorneys, and neither should he. No one pays Ben a dime to access the Org, so he'd be the only person affected financially. Therefore, unless you want to fund his legal fees, trust him and the mods when they do things like this.

RodeoSchro said:

antonb said:

there was nothing wrong with wanting to talk about the show, it was not a compete secret, already been put out there. What you gonna do, start censoring about what you see? It was a bloody concert! i respect this site, what would we do without it? I think respect was shown before the concert was played. But then they starting deleting threads on it even after it had taken place. And its like "wait a minute" . You are allowed to discuss things in the uk arent you? I think, like alot of people, it was going too far. It was for charity for gods sake, unless there is something underhanded going on, what is really the problem?

If this site gets sued by Prince, it is gone forever. Unless, of course, YOU want to pay the legal bills.

Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.

I've been on this site since Day 1. You've been here two years, so you weren't around for the debacle that led to Prince's recording of "P.F.U.N.K." Maybe you don't know Prince wrote that song in part about the Org. But trust me when I say - Prince loves the Org but will sue it off the face of the Earth in a heartbeat if he thinks the Org has violated the trust and agreement reached back in those days.

When the mods err on the side of caution, I can absolutely assure you it is done for one and only one reason - to avoid any possible litigation from Prince, which would result in the immediate shut-down of the Org.

Ben is not going to pay money out of his own pocket to defend the Org against Prince's phalanx of attorneys, and neither should he. No one pays Ben a dime to access the Org, so he'd be the only person affected financially. Therefore, unless you want to fund his legal fees, trust him and the mods when they do things like this.

sued by prince for what exactly...

It was a semi-private event where they graciously allowed some fans to purchase tickets on the proviso that a certain level of secrecy was maintained. Some threads appeared here about the event and we were asked to remove them. That's what they wanted and we saw no reason to be antagonistic about it, so we complied.

It's not an every day occurrence, so there's no procedure to follow in this instance. There's no right or wrong in this scenario, but given that this was a charity event, we decided the right thing to do would be to comply with their wishes. Some people might feel we acted appropriately and some may not. That's life.