This is going to be strange because I have disliked MJ for so long, I can't even remember.

I hate many of his fans even more, though some of them I adore.

But, from time to time, just to get a good laugh I will pop into the MJ sticky in

the Music non-Prince forum, and I get awfully confused by the thread.

It just seems like an awfully crude and awkward solution to deal with the multiple

MJ dupe threads (which is one of the reasons we went to a sticky), to throw everything

MJ related into a single thread. It makes the narrative completely random, and

is a bit tedius to fans who have to sift through multiple conversations to arrive at

the one they're interested in.

I understand that having to clean up MJ-related dupes in the forum was not exactly

fun, and that you don't want the entire forum to turn into an MJ fuckfest, but

isn't the solution to just get a couple more mods?

The MJ sticky is....not ideal.

FunkySideEffects said:

Yeah, maybe u should divide the MJ threads based on the different phases of hs career (I mean his albums...not his face morph)

!!!

What I'm getting at is that some folks may be interested in the recent news about his mental breakdowns before his death.

While others may want to discuss the post-death releases.

Still, others may want to discuss the Jackson reunion tours or the mother's Arizona fiasco.

It just seems really awkward and crude for them to sift through a single thread filled with

fanatical posts to get to the information they need.

imago said:

The MJ sticky is....not ideal.

Yeah, I know the answer is always that "this is Prince.org, not Jackson.org", but I think there surely comes a point where you have to acknowledge that, where a Non-Prince music forum is offered, the sort of music fans that are drawn to a Prince fansite are going to post about MJ. Probably a lot.

At the very least, maybe the sticky could be broken up into "music" and "other", but that would provide only marginal relief. I even wonder if the desire is to keep the sticky as is in the hopes that people will eventually find it unworkable and will stop posting about MJ, but if it hasn't happened so far, it probably isn't likely to any time soon.

I think if subforums are out of the question (and I think they've been brought up and shot down a few times), it would at least be worth trialling removing the sticky for a month to see what happens. If the forum really does get flooded with MJ threads again, then maybe it's back to the drawing board. But perhaps for the 3 or 4 threads that may be on the first page at any one time, it might be worth it.

Chiquetet said:

imago said:

The MJ sticky is....not ideal.

Yeah, I know the answer is always that "this is Prince.org, not Jackson.org", but I think there surely comes a point where you have to acknowledge that, where a Non-Prince music forum is offered, the sort of music fans that are drawn to a Prince fansite are going to post about MJ. Probably a lot.

At the very least, maybe the sticky could be broken up into "music" and "other", but that would provide only marginal relief. I even wonder if the desire is to keep the sticky as is in the hopes that people will eventually find it unworkable and will stop posting about MJ, but if it hasn't happened so far, it probably isn't likely to any time soon.

I think if subforums are out of the question (and I think they've been brought up and shot down a few times), it would at least be worth trialling removing the sticky for a month to see what happens. If the forum really does get flooded with MJ threads again, then maybe it's back to the drawing board. But perhaps for the 3 or 4 threads that may be on the first page at any one time, it might be worth it.

The sticky was posted just after his death because there were multiple threads constantly about MJ, and most were dupes of other threads.

So the solution was to just post a sticky and keep make people post on it.

However, the guy has been dead for over 3 years now, so it's about time the damned sticky got retired.

http://prince.org/msg/3/385017

luv4u said:

http://prince.org/msg/3/385017

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with an MJ forum, nor am I suggesting it.

What I am suggesting is that the time for the MJ sticky (started well over 3 years ago mind you) to address the feverish pace of MJ-related threads after his death, has come to pass.

No other artists have earned a 'sticky' for 3 years. If this isn't MJ.org like you say, then isn't it time to get rid of the sticky, and just let folks post threads.

It's so rediculous now that anything that comes even remotely close to touching MJ seems to get directed to the sticky.

imago said:

100% agree with you imago.

The sticky is a shoddy way to conversate. Completely schizophrenic.

It's time for it to go, so we can conversate properly like normal human animals.

I only paticipate in MJ threads that slip by until they get locked. And they're usually really good too dammit.

I don't see why MJ should be treated differently to any other artist in non-prince. Especially now the chatter surrounding his death has all but disappeared.

If i wanted to discuss MJ's backing vox on say The Brothers Johnson 'Light Up The Night' or Stevie's 'All I Do' would i really have to put that in that godawful sticky?

How about the upcoming release of BAD25? That deserves to be discussed without restriction. I'd imagine the org might welcome a bit of traffic. Either that or create a BAD25 specific sticky and get rid of the MJ one.

By all means lock up fluffy threads, but let sensible debate and conversation flow.

Marrk said:

#1) I don't see why MJ should be treated differently to any other artist in non-prince. Especially now the chatter surrounding his death has all but disappeared.

#2) If i wanted to discuss MJ's backing vox on say The Brothers Johnson 'Light Up The Night' or Stevie's 'All I Do' would i really have to put that in that godawful sticky?

How about the upcoming release of BAD25? That deserves to be discussed without restriction. I'd imagine the org might welcome a bit of traffic. Either that or create a BAD25 specific sticky and get rid of the MJ one.

By all means lock up fluffy threads, but let sensible debate and conversation flow.

#1) I completely agree

#2) Yes, you would. And that's a shame.

Mods, can you guys PLEASE have a discussion on this with ben or whoever, and consider dropping that useless sticky? It's 3 years post-croaking now, and I think the time has come to threat MJ no differently than any other artist in that forum.

But it's proved efficient to keep MJ stans in one thread. I promise you it will lead to flooding once stick is gone.

OzlemUcucu said:

But it's proved efficient to keep MJ stans in one thread. I promise you it will lead to flooding once stick is gone.

It's a bullshit form of communication grouping all things under one header and it's insulting to people who want to talk about specific topics to shut them down like that. There should be one single set of rules for everyone and every topic.

Number of threads is and will always be directly related to how popular an artist is worldwide. That's why there'll always be more MJ topics than Madonna topics. More Madonna topics than Rick James topics. More Rick James topics than Aloe Blacc topics. etc etc etc etc. If people understand that extremely obvious concept, there won't be any knickers getting in knots.

imago said:

Marrk said:

#1) I don't see why MJ should be treated differently to any other artist in non-prince. Especially now the chatter surrounding his death has all but disappeared.

#2) If i wanted to discuss MJ's backing vox on say The Brothers Johnson 'Light Up The Night' or Stevie's 'All I Do' would i really have to put that in that godawful sticky?

How about the upcoming release of BAD25? That deserves to be discussed without restriction. I'd imagine the org might welcome a bit of traffic. Either that or create a BAD25 specific sticky and get rid of the MJ one.

By all means lock up fluffy threads, but let sensible debate and conversation flow.

#1) I completely agree

#2) Yes, you would. And that's a shame.

Mods, can you guys PLEASE have a discussion on this with ben or whoever, and consider dropping that useless sticky? It's 3 years post-croaking now, and I think the time has come to threat MJ no differently than any other artist in that forum.

Mods don't care. Seemingly happy to keep their silly little form of apartheid going.

Janet and Madonna fans don't seem to have this problem.