Cause I don't get it. First, it seems a bit orbritary which artist get the one thread rule. Second, each time it is usedit forces a participant of the site to search through numerous other threads to find them. Third, how the hell are we supposed to know which artist we are allowed to post threads on and which ones we cant?

Now, I know mods have total final say so I guess I answered my first point yet I would hope that some rational thought is being made when rules are created here. Why these threads aren't sticky'd is beyond me. One would think it would make life easer for site viewers and mods and yet our mods appear to be stubbornly sticking to their policy---out of spite. If that's the case, can you mods plese explain why you would create a policy that makes it harder to participate?

I think its a bit retarded, too.

I don't find it effective, either.

And then expired non-sticky threads disappear and you have to start over from scratch with a new non-sticky for the artist.

I don't really think they should be stickied, clumped together, nothing. Just let people post the threads and use active moderatorship to fix problems when they arise via the report to mod button. Easy peasy. No need for this urgent containment of threads. What's going to happen? People make too many MJ threads and then all of a sudden the website morphs into ManInTheMirror.org?

Release it!

I think it's telling that Luv4u responds to other threads in Site Discussion and is ignoring this one. If you can't answer a question that is being asked in a polite and constructive manner, maybe it's time to pass your keys over to a new driver.

Right now there are multiple threads on Steview Wonder, Aretha, Chaka, Chris Brown, Joni Mitchell of all people and a couple others. So where's the rhyme or reason. Help us better understand what is going on, Luv, please.

sosgemini said:

I think it's telling that Luv4u responds to other threads in Site Discussion and is ignoring this one. If you can't answer a question that is being asked in a polite and constructive manner, maybe it's time to pass your keys over to a new driver.

Right now there are multiple threads on Steview Wonder, Aretha, Chaka, Chris Brown, Joni Mitchell of all people and a couple others. So where's the rhyme or reason. Help us better understand what is going on, Luv, please.

Methinks modding the org is a thankless job.

Spinlight said:

sosgemini said:

I think it's telling that Luv4u responds to other threads in Site Discussion and is ignoring this one. If you can't answer a question that is being asked in a polite and constructive manner, maybe it's time to pass your keys over to a new driver.

Right now there are multiple threads on Steview Wonder, Aretha, Chaka, Chris Brown, Joni Mitchell of all people and a couple others. So where's the rhyme or reason. Help us better understand what is going on, Luv, please.

Methinks modding the org is a thankless job.

That's not an excuse to make it less enjoyable for visitors of the site.

sosgemini said:

Spinlight said:

Methinks modding the org is a thankless job.

That's not an excuse to make it less enjoyable for visitors of the site.

You're right. :/

There are now six threads about Chaka and we still are waiting for Luv4U, who appears to be the only mod who moderates this forum nowadays, to respond.

And as par for the course, instead of engaging the community and trying to find a solution, she ignores any and all communication in hopes people will just get frustrated and give up.

Which is exactly what has happened in the past and why there is a huge network of people who now don't post here and instead keep up with people via Facebook.

And Luv stays happy cause she keeps control of her kingdom and less and less people stick around.

I once had a VP get after me for b*tching without proposing a solution so here's my solution:

Replace Luv4U from Music:Non-Prince and replace her with someone who is actually part of the community. Someone like Timmy84 or NurseV.

What do people think? Luv4U has just never really been a part of the Music:Non-Prince forum community and while she has handled other forums responsibily, she's out of her music league here and that's not meant to offend---it's just the state of what's going on.

Thoughts?

[Edited 3/17/11 21:00pm]

sosgemini said:

I once had a VP get after me for b*tching without proposing a solution so here's my solution:

Replace Luv4U from Music:Non-Prince and replace her with someone who is actually part of the community. Someone like Timmy84 or NurseV.

What do people think? Luv4U has just never really been a part of the Music:Non-Prince forum community and while she has handled other forums responsibily, she's out of her music league here and that's not meant to offend---it's just the state of what's going on.

Thoughts?

[Edited 3/17/11 21:00pm]

I am under the impression that mod changes and other such administrative efforts fall on the shoulders of someone who is not really actively maintaining this site any longer. :X

If the forum software just allowed subforums, a good chunk of this could be avoided as well. Especially in M:NP. The artists who get the most attention there could each have their own little world, and the rest of the place would be free to discuss other artists without having to sift.

It sounds potentially like an issue of middle management to me :-/

Surely if any mod was only interested in "keeping control of their kingdom" they would have just come to this thread, said that the system was fine the way it was, most people were happy, blah blah, whatever excuse and put the issue to bed.

My theory is the silence is because Luv's hands may well be tied. Do we know whose decision it was in the first place to instigate the non-sticky one thread rule?

Is it possible that she's not saying anything because she's trying to get some clear answers behind the scenes before she does?

Maybe I'm way off (and I realise I don't know the history the way you guys do), but I know that when you're one mod - even the most active mod - in a team, you don't usually have the green light to change moderation rules without clearance either from the group or from the site owner.

It seems to me like a rule that needs review, but I don't spend enough time in M:N-P to justify a vote, so I'll butt out.

I just feel for any mod who tries to maintain order in a place like this without the tools to affect any real change, only to be faced with threads like this - reasonable as they may well be.

Chiquetet said:

It sounds potentially like an issue of middle management to me :-/

Surely if any mod was only interested in "keeping control of their kingdom" they would have just come to this thread, said that the system was fine the way it was, most people were happy, blah blah, whatever excuse and put the issue to bed.

My theory is the silence is because Luv's hands may well be tied. Do we know whose decision it was in the first place to instigate the non-sticky one thread rule?

Is it possible that she's not saying anything because she's trying to get some clear answers behind the scenes before she does?

Maybe I'm way off (and I realise I don't know the history the way you guys do), but I know that when you're one mod - even the most active mod - in a team, you don't usually have the green light to change moderation rules without clearance either from the group or from the site owner.

It seems to me like a rule that needs review, but I don't spend enough time in M:N-P to justify a vote, so I'll butt out.

I just feel for any mod who tries to maintain order in a place like this without the tools to affect any real change, only to be faced with threads like this - reasonable as they may well be.

There is no site rules, Luv just created her own policy. There is a non-flooding rule that lets people know that an over abundence of threads re: a single artist wont be tolerated and that's a sound and rational rule....again, what I am questioning is the obsured policy created by one person/mod on this site who refuses to even respond to other mods questions or to the participants on this site when people try to rationally talk to her.

And she gets away with it...time and time again.

[Edited 3/24/11 21:01pm]

Still politely waiting for an answer.

Spinlight said:

sosgemini said:

I think it's telling that Luv4u responds to other threads in Site Discussion and is ignoring this one. If you can't answer a question that is being asked in a polite and constructive manner, maybe it's time to pass your keys over to a new driver.

Right now there are multiple threads on Steview Wonder, Aretha, Chaka, Chris Brown, Joni Mitchell of all people and a couple others. So where's the rhyme or reason. Help us better understand what is going on, Luv, please.

Methinks modding the org is a thankless job.

yes. but she's terrible at it. sosgemini knows what that's like.

Sosgemini, was a mod during the time of discussion to do with how to deal with the MJ flooding in Music: non-Prince forum. Complaints also came from users in that forum dealing with that as well. Hence, Anxiety (another mod) at the time, came up with the idea of a sticky to deal with the flooding of the music: non-Prince forum. In other words to have one thread one sticky to discuss all things MJ. ...... which..... from that time.... up to now.... has been working for a long time. This site is not Jackson.org.

People who post on the MJ sticky, whether a fan of the man or not, are having no problem using the sticky and seem quite ok with a sticky. When it gets too long it gets replaced by a new fresh thread. The sticky thread has helped tremendously in that forum.

It would be impossible to have a sticky for all musical artists. There are stickies from time to time if let’s say a release of a new album, death of a musical artist, etc. etc. MJ is very much discussed ad nausem.

You helped make the rule, quitting, and now make a living criticizing the other mods.

Anyways......... why fix what has been working for a long time now. Besides, folks in that forum seem to be happy with it. Why change what's working great.