Number23 said:

maria1999 said:

See, humor for humor sake is ALWAYS appreciated.

Thanks.

I've never been more serious.

And I seriously agree with you.

life is full of arseholes

internet life is even more full

call them out by name if you wish

or simply don't give a fuck, the same fuck you want them to not give

I can't imagine being so bothered as to give

anything more than a fleeting fuck about an internet users hang-ups

if it's so intensely troublesome

orgnote the person in question and tell them you'll kill their first born

or pets-the average internet user seems to have stronger attachments to

furry things

if that doesn't satisfy you, call them a cunt in the forums

do so after 9 pm, though

for the children

and pets

JustErin said:

maria1999 said:

Or simply don't reply.

But if they want to reply they are well within their right to do so. They want to know why YOU care because they can't understand why anyone would.

It's actually the start of a beautiful discourse.

Efan said:

I don't think the org's ever been an overly polite place, so I guess it goes with the territory, but that doesn't mean it couldn't get a little more civilized around here.

I will say this, though: I don't believe leaving a "Why do you care?"-type comment is rude. That's a legitimate comment on a thread. You can't expect to be able to post whatever you want and not have anyone disagree with it or think it's wrong or stupid or whatever. Moreover, even if you've started a thread, you don't have any control over where it goes. Once it's out there, it's no longer yours. It's a discussion on a public forum.

But that aside, there's tons of annoying rudeness on these boards. Do your best to ignore it. There are a couple people here who love to throw out obnoxious and rude comments or to be as condescending as they can. These people are attention-whores. Most of the threads they post on end up becoming about them rather than the topic they're commenting on. But they can only do that when people feed into their obnoxiousness. Ignore it and they'll have to find some other way to get the attention they crave.

You are right on so many levels.

'I don't care' isn't necessarily rude, but it can come across as being condescending.

You can't control where the post goes and once you've put it out there it is for the world to share.

That's the point of posting, the feedback it generates.

But, then again there are those that your refer to as 'attention-whore.'

The point that I liked the best of all...is what I bold of your post.

JustErin said:

Number23 said:

I've never been more serious.

And I seriously agree with you.

You think it'll all be worth it as we lie squirming on our deathbeds, haunted by the knowledge that we have squandered our entire lives - or single, one-off shots at existence - fretting about such an abstract and ultimately useless concept as 'style' and could have easily just shaved it all off and relied on our personalities alone for friendship, admiration and love?

Baldies, are you happy?

orger said:

life is full of arseholes

internet life is even more full

call them out by name if you wish

or simply don't give a fuck, the same fuck you want them to not give

I can't imagine being so bothered as to give

anything more than a fleeting fuck about an internet users hang-ups

if it's so intensely troublesome

orgnote the person in question and tell them you'll kill their first born

or pets-the average internet user seems to have stronger attachments to

furry things

if that doesn't satisfy you, call them a cunt in the forums

do so after 9 pm, though

for the children

and pets

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever read.

JustErin said:

maria1999 said:

Or simply don't reply.

But if they want to reply they are well within their right to do so. They want to know why YOU care because they can't understand why anyone would.

Usually, the reason why a PERSON cares is expressed within the initial post. So, even though it is EVERYONE'S right to respond with a 'why do you care' about the topic at hand, it's already been answered. And just because SOMEONE doesn't care about a particular topic, doesn't make that topic less interesting, insulting, or whatever for SOMEONE else. The world doesn't revolve around an INDIVIDUAL'S thought.

maria1999 said:

JustErin said:

But if they want to reply they are well within their right to do so. They want to know why YOU care because they can't understand why anyone would.

Usually, the reason why a PERSON cares is expressed within the initial post. So, even though it is EVERYONE'S right to respond with a 'why do you care' about the topic at hand, it's already been answered. And just because SOMEONE doesn't care about a particular topic, doesn't make that topic less interesting, insulting, or whatever for SOMEONE else. The world doesn't revolve around an INDIVIDUAL'S thought.

Nope.

It appears to me that a lot of people on here just get upset when someone doesn't support their views/interests and hate when they're personally questioned even more.

JustErin said:

maria1999 said:

Usually, the reason why a PERSON cares is expressed within the initial post. So, even though it is EVERYONE'S right to respond with a 'why do you care' about the topic at hand, it's already been answered. And just because SOMEONE doesn't care about a particular topic, doesn't make that topic less interesting, insulting, or whatever for SOMEONE else. The world doesn't revolve around an INDIVIDUAL'S thought.

Nope.

It appears to me that a lot of people on here just get upset when someone doesn't support their views/interests and hate when they're personally questioned even more.

Nikademus said:

JustErin said:

Nope.

It appears to me that a lot of people on here just get upset when someone doesn't support their views/interests and hate when they're personally questioned even more.

Of course, there are some people like that, because that's the way of the world. But if a person says something and tells why they feel the way that they do...then what is the point of continuing to ask that person why they feel the way that they feel over and over again. Wouldn't that make anyone a bit frustrated to have to keep repeat themself. I mean, if they weren't clear in their view the first time, then by all means ask for clarification. But if they were...then state your opinion (it's ok to not care) and let it be...don't keep harping on why do you feel that way....especially if you know you don't care anything about the issue at hand to begin with. To me, it's the equivalent of a new reporter asking someone that a crime has just been committed against...how do you feel? What sense does that make? You already know how they feel, right?

I'm not saying that a person isn't allow to express themself...far from it. All I'm saying is you don't have to belittle others to voice your opinion. Generally speaking...you.

Why is it so hard to understand that in posting this thread I was addressing some of the concerns that has been brought up in the past involving some people on Org. I've read post in several forums where people weren't going to post anymore or wanted to leave the site all together, because some people pushing their ideas on others or being condesending when posting their opinions to someone said. What happen to respect and tact...do they no longer exist?

But, at the end of the day, you Erin are right.....some people do get upset because they don't understand when people don't agree with their views...it's called narcissism, because those same people don't see viewpoints outside of their own. The world is stock-full of narcissistic people; therefore, so is the Org.

My opinion, again, is all opinions are welcome, because that is what we post for or at least that is why I post.

maria1999 said:

Nikademus said:

Of course, there are some people like that, because that's the way of the world. But if a person says something and tells why they feel the way that they do...then what is the point of continuing to ask that person why they feel the way that they feel over and over again.Wouldn't that make anyone a bit frustrated to have to keep repeat themself. I mean, if they weren't clear in their view the first time, then by all means ask for clarification. But if they were...then state your opinion (it's ok to not care) and let it be...don't keep harping on why do you feel that way....especially if you know you don't care anything about the issue at hand to begin with. To me, it's the equivalent of a new reporter asking someone that a crime has just been committed against...how do you feel? What sense does that make? You already know how they feel, right?

I'm not saying that a person isn't allow to express themself...far from it. All I'm saying is you don't have to belittle others to voice your opinion. Generally speaking...you.

Why is it so hard to understand that in posting this thread I was addressing some of the concerns that has been brought up in the past involving some people on Org. I've read post in several forums where people weren't going to post anymore or wanted to leave the site all together, because some people pushing their ideas on others or being condesending when posting their opinions to someone said. What happen to respect and tact...do they no longer exist?

But, at the end of the day, you Erin are right.....some people do get upset because they don't understand when people don't agree with their views...it's called narcissism, because those same people don't see viewpoints outside of their own. The world is stock-full of narcissistic people; therefore, so is the Org.

My opinion, again, is all opinions are welcome, because that is what we post for or at least that is why I post.

I don't see people asking again and again happening on here. What I do see is people being upset that they were asked at all.

People so called belittle each other all the time on here and most of us can take it just fine. Those that can't deal with it, move on. It's like real life.

JustErin said:

maria1999 said:

Of course, there are some people like that, because that's the way of the world. But if a person says something and tells why they feel the way that they do...then what is the point of continuing to ask that person why they feel the way that they feel over and over again.Wouldn't that make anyone a bit frustrated to have to keep repeat themself. I mean, if they weren't clear in their view the first time, then by all means ask for clarification. But if they were...then state your opinion (it's ok to not care) and let it be...don't keep harping on why do you feel that way....especially if you know you don't care anything about the issue at hand to begin with. To me, it's the equivalent of a new reporter asking someone that a crime has just been committed against...how do you feel? What sense does that make? You already know how they feel, right?

I'm not saying that a person isn't allow to express themself...far from it. All I'm saying is you don't have to belittle others to voice your opinion. Generally speaking...you.

Why is it so hard to understand that in posting this thread I was addressing some of the concerns that has been brought up in the past involving some people on Org. I've read post in several forums where people weren't going to post anymore or wanted to leave the site all together, because some people pushing their ideas on others or being condesending when posting their opinions to someone said. What happen to respect and tact...do they no longer exist?

But, at the end of the day, you Erin are right.....some people do get upset because they don't understand when people don't agree with their views...it's called narcissism, because those same people don't see viewpoints outside of their own. The world is stock-full of narcissistic people; therefore, so is the Org.

My opinion, again, is all opinions are welcome, because that is what we post for or at least that is why I post.

I don't see people asking again and again happening on here. What I do see is people being upset that they were asked at all.

People so called belittle each other all the time on here and most of us can take it just fine. Those that can't deal with it, move on. It's like real life.

Of course you do see it.

can we add douches that just tell people to use the search forum or google it on every thread to this rudeness discussion?

errant said:

can we add douches that just tell people to use the search forum or google it on every thread to this rudeness discussion?

I only did that once

errant said:

can we add douches that just tell people to use the search forum or google it on every thread to this rudeness discussion?

I think newbies that aren't willing to do the work is rude.

BartVanHemelen said:

errant said:

can we add douches that just tell people to use the search forum or google it on every thread to this rudeness discussion?

I think newbies that aren't willing to do the work is rude.

And you're wrong. "Newbies" are not posting out of rudeness, merely inexperience. That's why they get the name......

Cinnie said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Dammit, guess I missed the excitement. If your sentence had containted only the first two words, my prayers would've been answered.

JustErin said:

maria1999 said:

Usually, the reason why a PERSON cares is expressed within the initial post. So, even though it is EVERYONE'S right to respond with a 'why do you care' about the topic at hand, it's already been answered. And just because SOMEONE doesn't care about a particular topic, doesn't make that topic less interesting, insulting, or whatever for SOMEONE else. The world doesn't revolve around an INDIVIDUAL'S thought.

Nope.

It appears to me that a lot of people on here just get upset when someone doesn't support their views/interests and hate when they're personally questioned even more.

It's the condescending and obnoxious way in which they're questioned even more. It's not an honest query, but more of a 'you're so stupid, so please say more so I can tell you how stupid you are for thinking that...' type of reply.

BartVanHemelen said:

errant said:

can we add douches that just tell people to use the search forum or google it on every thread to this rudeness discussion?

I think newbies that aren't willing to do the work is rude.

Tada!

Fucking classic.

CHIC0 said:

welcome newbie!!

i hear where you're coming from. and there are those people on every website.

the 'think-they-know-it-all"s trying to correct you or prove how much they THINK they know, or just "angry with the world" and use their PC to lash out. or sometimes, just someone with nothing better to do or an immature twat. tact is a thing of the past apparently. rudeness has almost become the norm. online and offline. the internet thrives with the socially inept.

my best advice is to ignore it. just reply to the ones you feel comfortable with. now toughen up a little and come on in and enjoy the festivities. i think you'll like it here.

When I first started posting on the org around 2000, it was a lot worse than it is now. I remember people jumping all over each other, and snipping at each other back and forth on certain threads. I was called, "immature" and a variety of other names, just because someone did not agree with what I posted on a thread. In my opinion, I think the mods here have done a decent job in snipping offensive posts that are out of line. If an orger sees a post that is offensive, don't be afraid to click the "report post to moderator" button, and a mod will handle it.

When I first started posting on the org, I was quite sensitive, and would get angry/upset over something that someone would say to me on a thread. I think I've been here so long, that I've gotten used to it. It's either that or I just don't give a damn anymore. The way I see it, online message boards are no different than in real life. You're always going to meet someone who you do not like, and they may say hateful things to you. You just have to not let it get to you. Just shrug it off and move on. I know that can be easier said then done, but if I can learn to ignore the org bullies, anybody can.

maria1999 said:

Where do I start?

Let me say first that it is not necessary for anyone to respond to this unless you actually have something to add or clarify.

On my most recent post there were a few comments about certain members of Org and why their responses to others post are often rude in nature.

So, maybe I would like a few honest responses after all.

Why?

I joined the org first and foremost to discuss Prince and later I found that the other forum were as or often more interesting. I liked what appeared to be an open-dialogue aspect of this site, until I found out just how "vicious" one (or some) could be if your opinion weren't among the popular consensus. I mean, I like a good debate as much as the next person. But, damn some of the orgers here are a bit much in their posting. I understand that sometime seeing the same topic over and again can be a bit much, but the comments that some of the elder-orgers leave are a bit much too. But then again, it seems ok to keep talking about the same ol' same ol' if these same people (who look down at the newbies redundant posts) like the topic (for example Larry G's influence on Prince, Prince "dating" Bria or how unattractive some of you think she is). No one reads every single thread before posting on of their own...so either answer the question or don't bother. But don't jump down the newbies throat like s/he had committed a deadly sin by not being around when the question/comment first appeared on Org, especially those not comments/questions not listed in The Org Facts.

My point?

Let a person say what they feel and if you don't like what they are saying...ok, but posting the "I don't care" responses actually show that you do or that you have nothing better to do. If you really don't care, then bypass the post and comment on those that you do. And, if you don't agree with someone's views then feel free to express yours(w/o being hateful). It's called open-dialogue. Agree to disagree.

Sometimes on here its hard to differentiate between those who are simply passionate about a topic and those who are just plain rude. And for that reason the Org is becoming very unwelcoming to new members or I'm quite sure some of the veteran orgers, too.

Preach!....had this same issue yesterday....I dont even need to add to ur statement cause you've said it all.....but my goodness all you older and "wiser" orgers really need to calm the f*k down. It reeaaaallly is NOT that serious!

lavender1983 said:

maria1999 said:

Where do I start?

Let me say first that it is not necessary for anyone to respond to this unless you actually have something to add or clarify.

On my most recent post there were a few comments about certain members of Org and why their responses to others post are often rude in nature.

So, maybe I would like a few honest responses after all.

Why?

I joined the org first and foremost to discuss Prince and later I found that the other forum were as or often more interesting. I liked what appeared to be an open-dialogue aspect of this site, until I found out just how "vicious" one (or some) could be if your opinion weren't among the popular consensus. I mean, I like a good debate as much as the next person. But, damn some of the orgers here are a bit much in their posting. I understand that sometime seeing the same topic over and again can be a bit much, but the comments that some of the elder-orgers leave are a bit much too. But then again, it seems ok to keep talking about the same ol' same ol' if these same people (who look down at the newbies redundant posts) like the topic (for example Larry G's influence on Prince, Prince "dating" Bria or how unattractive some of you think she is). No one reads every single thread before posting on of their own...so either answer the question or don't bother. But don't jump down the newbies throat like s/he had committed a deadly sin by not being around when the question/comment first appeared on Org, especially those not comments/questions not listed in The Org Facts.

My point?

Let a person say what they feel and if you don't like what they are saying...ok, but posting the "I don't care" responses actually show that you do or that you have nothing better to do. If you really don't care, then bypass the post and comment on those that you do. And, if you don't agree with someone's views then feel free to express yours(w/o being hateful). It's called open-dialogue. Agree to disagree.

Sometimes on here its hard to differentiate between those who are simply passionate about a topic and those who are just plain rude. And for that reason the Org is becoming very unwelcoming to new members or I'm quite sure some of the veteran orgers, too.

Preach!....had this same issue yesterday....I dont even need to add to ur statement cause you've said it all.....but my goodness all you older and "wiser" orgers really need to calm the f*k down. It reeaaaallly is NOT that serious!

Most, but not all, of that kind of crap comes from two 'people' and we all know who they are. It's too bad we can't block posts on here, so you just have to do it mentally. They are knowledgable, but their rudeness outweighs any help they usually provide. So you have to learn to just skip those types of posts, don't even read them and let them get you upset. That or tell them to fuck off and move on! But, they actually enjoy that stuff. What they don't like is no attention, so if you don't reply, they get no satisfaction from ruffling your feathers.

Serena said:

JustErin said:

It appears to me that a lot of people on here just get upset when someone doesn't support their views/interests and hate when they're personally questioned even more.

It's the condescending and obnoxious way in which they're questioned even more. It's not an honest query, but more of a 'you're so stupid, so please say more so I can tell you how stupid you are for thinking that...' type of reply.

Serena said:

Dammit, guess I missed the excitement. If your sentence had containted only the first two words, my prayers would've been answered.

The excitement is watching people like you squirm.

[Edited 9/9/10 21:10pm]

ernestsewell said:

Serena said:

The excitement is watching people like you squirm.

[Edited 9/9/10 21:10pm]

Awww, did you have to bite your tongue and edit your post?

Serena said:

ernestsewell said:

The excitement is watching people like you squirm.

[Edited 9/9/10 21:10pm]

Awww, did you have to bite your tongue and edit your post?

WTF are you talking about? What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you're all wet and squishy over someone editing a post on a discussion forum? THAT is your excitement?

ernestsewell said:

Serena said:

Awww, did you have to bite your tongue and edit your post?

WTF are you talking about? What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you're all wet and squishy over someone editing a post on a discussion forum? THAT is your excitement?

[Bait - luv4u]

Serena said:

ernestsewell said:

WTF are you talking about? What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you're all wet and squishy over someone editing a post on a discussion forum? THAT is your excitement?

[Bait - luv4u]

Try to get along ... the both of you. By throwing poo back and forth just ruins the discussion. Take it to orgnotes or somewhere else in netland.

ernestsewell said:

Serena said:

Awww, did you have to bite your tongue and edit your post?

WTF are you talking about? What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you're all wet and squishy over someone editing a post on a discussion forum? THAT is your excitement?

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