Mars23 said: Mach said: I have a very hard time undestanding why some continue to complain about _____ ( insert any word that discribes others that bother you here ) when YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO NOT ENGAGE THEM PERIOD ! in every forum It becomes increasingly difficult when those people choose to engage on every thread. So, yes, one could choose to not visit the M&M forum, but how is that a solution? It's only MY personal solution for my experience here | |
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SynthiaRose said: People have different styles of interaction and levels of emotion. That's what makes the world interesting.
You have to be mature and tolerant. Now I have seen people turn a serious thread into a goofy one and then just post joke after joke after joke until the discussion is ruined. These are popular people too who raw a herd of responses encouraging their behavior. When that happens I just leave a thread. Such is society; the freedom is too important to squash due to annoying people (and annoyance is in the eye of the beholder). I think the forum is straitjacketed enough with too many closed threads. You can't "solve" other people behavior. You have to live and let live. Life is chaos...and there's value in that. You have to look for it. Amen | |
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Mach said: You may be sorry and that's fine And you may think I am wrong - that's your opinion Ben can run his site how he feels and he does - he can shut it down - he can add new Mods , or not I mean you no personal disrespect but each of us help to make this place exactly what it is. GOOD and Bad Perhaps you should write Ben - Offer to Mod - take all the actions you suggest that you think will make this site a better place I think peoples lack of respect for threads and others is a huge reflection ON THEM If Ben actually RAN the site I'd probably write him, but he doesn't. He does the tech stuff and that's it. You might close mod ranks all you want but you know as well as most members that there are too few of you and that have gotten far too close to some members to moderate them properly. I'm not fit to be a mod and I never will. It doesn't matter if it reflects badly on the people doing this, cos the crazy ones don't know it and the other ones don't care. Reflecting bad on them also doesn't help matters for real, on the board. Karma hits way later. | |
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Teacher said: Mach said: You may be sorry and that's fine And you may think I am wrong - that's your opinion Ben can run his site how he feels and he does - he can shut it down - he can add new Mods , or not I mean you no personal disrespect but each of us help to make this place exactly what it is. GOOD and Bad Perhaps you should write Ben - Offer to Mod - take all the actions you suggest that you think will make this site a better place I think peoples lack of respect for threads and others is a huge reflection ON THEM If Ben actually RAN the site I'd probably write him, but he doesn't. He does the tech stuff and that's it. You might close mod ranks all you want but you know as well as most members that there are too few of you and that have gotten far too close to some members to moderate them properly. I'm not fit to be a mod and I never will. It doesn't matter if it reflects badly on the people doing this, cos the crazy ones don't know it and the other ones don't care. Reflecting bad on them also doesn't help matters for real, on the board. Karma hits way later. Well, that part I sadly agree with. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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Mars23 said: There seems to have been a spike in obsessive and in some opinions deranged posting, especially in the Prince: Music and More forum.
My question to those familiar with the types of posts and for the older orgers that have seen these cycles before is: should we tolerate this? On the one hand you have the free speech issue. However, the org is not a democracy and the owner and mods have final say. This is not a pay site, so there is really no obligation to anyone that they will be allowed to post. On the other hand, these kinds of posts, especially in large volumes do several things: 1. They make the larger community look bad. 2. They can incite others to post angry or spiteful things they otherwise would not, bringing down the overall quality of discourse in the forum. 3. They can lower the enjoyment of the larger community. 4. In a worst case scenario, they could lead to litigation on any number of grounds. So, what do you think? Should people just look the other way, not click on suspect threads, or should the community have some standards for posters in that forum? Remember: attack ideas, not people. Let's keep the discussion polite, anonymous and follow the rules. Thanks! Oh god, this could be describing almost all of my Prince Music & More threads. | |
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Tremolina said: Thanks for starting this thread mars. About time it gets discussed.
I think pretty much everybody knows what we are talking about here. I have seen it go much worse since Prince closed the club. That really drew everybody from there to this place. Before it was less crazy and juvenile, every now and then there were actually some intelligent indepth discussions on his music, but these days that is very hard to find. I would also add that there are too many negativos as well always bitching it everything. Makes it all a little sour to visit. What should be done? Prince should take his rainbow children back or they should grow up, with some moderators help maybe. In the meantime other orgers should stop ignoring the forum, try to balance the famdom out, bring back some life, diversity and intelligence. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! That's part of the problem too. Ignoring the problems over at P:M&M doesn't make those problems go away. There are times I can't stand being over at P:M&M for whatever reasons but I stay there because I want to add something worthwhile over there and I try to be one of the sane voices there (I might slip every now and then but I acknowledge it if I do). More importantly, I'm a fan! Why wouldn't I want to talk about Prince on a site for Prince for God's sake? I really don't get how people do that on here but that's another topic. If we want the forum to be less scary and more productive (lack of a better word), then we need to contribute and post in there. Ignore the stupid threads or posts (I'm trying to do that right now myself) and talk about what you want to talk about. You can even start a thread but don't be part of the problem by doing nothing to help solve it. Please help out and do your part. I've read this thread even further and I see that the same thing applies with all the sections here too. We have to do our part to make this site an even better site than it is. I hope to broaden my horizons and go to more areas on this site like GD soon. I hope that this place will improve soon. I think that it can, if we do our part. I hope I don't sound too cheesy saying any of this. [Edited 1/6/09 7:50am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Efan said: Personally, I think there's way too much leeway given to people who exhibit extremely disturbing behavior in the P: M&M forum. They're either mentally disturbed or they're acting as trolls. Whatever the case may be, they bump their own threads and jack others with abandon and should be moderated more heavily, in my opinion.
I agree. There are more than a few people that post here that are seriously off their rockers. And, I'm not trying to be offensive. But there are some really, really ridiculous posts about Prince and his body parts and what these folks would do to these body parts. It's really nutty to me that someone could be so unhinged to think that they are really going to marry someone that doesn't even know they exist. | |
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Imago said: Mars23 said: There seems to have been a spike in obsessive and in some opinions deranged posting, especially in the Prince: Music and More forum.
My question to those familiar with the types of posts and for the older orgers that have seen these cycles before is: should we tolerate this? On the one hand you have the free speech issue. However, the org is not a democracy and the owner and mods have final say. This is not a pay site, so there is really no obligation to anyone that they will be allowed to post. On the other hand, these kinds of posts, especially in large volumes do several things: 1. They make the larger community look bad. 2. They can incite others to post angry or spiteful things they otherwise would not, bringing down the overall quality of discourse in the forum. 3. They can lower the enjoyment of the larger community. 4. In a worst case scenario, they could lead to litigation on any number of grounds. So, what do you think? Should people just look the other way, not click on suspect threads, or should the community have some standards for posters in that forum? Remember: attack ideas, not people. Let's keep the discussion polite, anonymous and follow the rules. Thanks! Oh god, this could be describing almost all of my Prince Music & More threads. I'm glad you said it. | |
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hokie said: Efan said: Personally, I think there's way too much leeway given to people who exhibit extremely disturbing behavior in the P: M&M forum. They're either mentally disturbed or they're acting as trolls. Whatever the case may be, they bump their own threads and jack others with abandon and should be moderated more heavily, in my opinion.
I agree. There are more than a few people that post here that are seriously off their rockers. And, I'm not trying to be offensive. But there are some really, really ridiculous posts about Prince and his body parts and what these folks would do to these body parts. It's really nutty to me that someone could be so unhinged to think that they are really going to marry someone that doesn't even know they exist. I agree with you on that. It disturbs me when I read post like that. I make it a point to even post on those threads. There needs to be a limit to threads like those. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Teacher said: Mach said: You may be sorry and that's fine And you may think I am wrong - that's your opinion Ben can run his site how he feels and he does - he can shut it down - he can add new Mods , or not I mean you no personal disrespect but each of us help to make this place exactly what it is. GOOD and Bad Perhaps you should write Ben - Offer to Mod - take all the actions you suggest that you think will make this site a better place I think peoples lack of respect for threads and others is a huge reflection ON THEM If Ben actually RAN the site I'd probably write him, but he doesn't. He does the tech stuff and that's it. You might close mod ranks all you want but you know as well as most members that there are too few of you and that have gotten far too close to some members to moderate them properly.I'm not fit to be a mod and I never will. It doesn't matter if it reflects badly on the people doing this, cos the crazy ones don't know it and the other ones don't care. Reflecting bad on them also doesn't help matters for real, on the board. Karma hits way later. i agree! | |
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I have learned that the mods have final say and it is a waste of time to contact Ben because he is too busy to reply back.
[Edited 1/22/09 4:25am] | |
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I agree with maybe just walking away.
But at the same time, I think it is important to stand-up for oneselve,too. I am still learning how to handle things here. Yes, of course.. at one point a person has to walk away. But also, it is difficult when.. say you write a response, then somebody comes back and ridicules what you believe, you know? I think.. is important to respond sometimes to show you are not "afraid" of responding in a polite manner, of course. However, at one point it becomes a matter of who has the last word, and when this happens a person has to know when to end it--that the discussion is just becoming silly. I think this problem is more difficult than one might imagine. Sure, one can report posts that are obviously baiting. But then there are others.. some by popular members one would not expect really, that are quite condescending in their sarcasm. It's like when a person--a bully says, "Oh, I am just kidding. You are too sensitive." But if the situation were reversed, this person would be equally if not more sensitive. So.. I think, yes to not participate would be the ultimate answer. But then again, people want to participate. Why should one leave? I think learning how to handle these situations without reporting to a mod all the time is a challenge. I think one does have to take a stand because you know sometimes is like standing up to a bully. | |
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JOYJOY said: luv4u said: And that's where orgers help would be appreciated by hitting that report to moderator button. Don't think that orgers are ratting on people coz by letting the mods know helps make this site a better place to enjoy. The mods have so many threads to wade through on the org it would make your head spin But we do our best to keep on top of things Thanks I shall report more, I mainly lurk and completely stopped for many months due to the trolling, general bashing & weirdness in PM&M & GD. Thats still going on but exciting things are afoot so i'm back, I was always reluctant to report as everyone knows everybody else... I imagined a whole load of if ever I did report something, but feel less restrained now.. (Hey Joy Joy!!! How's it going girl?! Orgnote me!) back on topic - I totally agree with you there, it gets really clique-y (especially in GD) and I, like you ditched the org for a few weeks a short while ago, which is strange for me as I usally visit daily. I stopped going to PM&M months ago because I just got tired of wading through all the weirdo's with their religious crap, psycho-babble and obsessive posts - it got to the point where I just couldn't be arsed with it any more. I can see why the mods are having a headache trying to deal with this problem - the 'problem posters' are putting off the balanced people, who genuinely want to have a decent conversation about Prince and his music (that's why we all came here afterall!) but Synthia Rose also has a point - you really have to be careful of censorship, where would the line be drawn? So...erm... Good luck with that! I shall start visiting and posting in the PM&M board again soon in the vain hope that more of the 'sane' orgers will be doing the same, bringing some balance to the board I'm not stopping. I haven't even taken my coat off
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Absolutely. All we need is for the new official site to have forums and the obsessive fookers will drift back there and leave 'P-M&M' in peace.,
MrsGoodnight said: JOYJOY said: Thanks I shall report more, I mainly lurk and completely stopped for many months due to the trolling, general bashing & weirdness in PM&M & GD. Thats still going on but exciting things are afoot so i'm back, I was always reluctant to report as everyone knows everybody else... I imagined a whole load of if ever I did report something, but feel less restrained now.. (Hey Joy Joy!!! How's it going girl?! Orgnote me!) back on topic - I totally agree with you there, it gets really clique-y (especially in GD) and I, like you ditched the org for a few weeks a short while ago, which is strange for me as I usally visit daily. I stopped going to PM&M months ago because I just got tired of wading through all the weirdo's with their religious crap, psycho-babble and obsessive posts - it got to the point where I just couldn't be arsed with it any more. I can see why the mods are having a headache trying to deal with this problem - the 'problem posters' are putting off the balanced people, who genuinely want to have a decent conversation about Prince and his music (that's why we all came here afterall!) but Synthia Rose also has a point - you really have to be careful of censorship, where would the line be drawn? So...erm... Good luck with that! I shall start visiting and posting in the PM&M board again soon in the vain hope that more of the 'sane' orgers will be doing the same, bringing some balance to the board | |
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MrsGoodnight said: JOYJOY said: Thanks I shall report more, I mainly lurk and completely stopped for many months due to the trolling, general bashing & weirdness in PM&M & GD. Thats still going on but exciting things are afoot so i'm back, I was always reluctant to report as everyone knows everybody else... I imagined a whole load of if ever I did report something, but feel less restrained now.. (Hey Joy Joy!!! How's it going girl?! Orgnote me!) back on topic - I totally agree with you there, it gets really clique-y (especially in GD) and I, like you ditched the org for a few weeks a short while ago, which is strange for me as I usally visit daily. I stopped going to PM&M months ago because I just got tired of wading through all the weirdo's with their religious crap, psycho-babble and obsessive posts - it got to the point where I just couldn't be arsed with it any more. I can see why the mods are having a headache trying to deal with this problem - the 'problem posters' are putting off the balanced people, who genuinely want to have a decent conversation about Prince and his music (that's why we all came here afterall!) but Synthia Rose also has a point - you really have to be careful of censorship, where would the line be drawn? So...erm... Good luck with that! I shall start visiting and posting in the PM&M board again soon in the vain hope that more of the 'sane' orgers will be doing the same, bringing some balance to the board Actually, I've noticed that lately, a lot of other posters have been posting in PM&M, there are some serious conversations about the music, and then some. | |
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A ship without a Captain will drift with no set course or direction | |
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mdiver said: A ship without a Captain will drift with no set course or direction
The Love Boat or Titanic? | |
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shanti0608 said: mdiver said: A ship without a Captain will drift with no set course or direction
The Love Boat or Titanic? here....titanic | |
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lascantas said: I agree with maybe just walking away.
But at the same time, I think it is important to stand-up for oneselve,too. I am still learning how to handle things here. Yes, of course.. at one point a person has to walk away. But also, it is difficult when.. say you write a response, then somebody comes back and ridicules what you believe, you know? I think.. is important to respond sometimes to show you are not "afraid" of responding in a polite manner, of course. However, at one point it becomes a matter of who has the last word, and when this happens a person has to know when to end it--that the discussion is just becoming silly. I think this problem is more difficult than one might imagine. Sure, one can report posts that are obviously baiting. But then there are others.. some by popular members one would not expect really, that are quite condescending in their sarcasm. It's like when a person--a bully says, "Oh, I am just kidding. You are too sensitive." But if the situation were reversed, this person would be equally if not more sensitive. So.. I think, yes to not participate would be the ultimate answer. But then again, people want to participate. Why should one leave? I think learning how to handle these situations without reporting to a mod all the time is a challenge. I think one does have to take a stand because you know sometimes is like standing up to a bully. ...mzsexybaby ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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doesn't the very act of coming to a site dedicated to a pop star and engaging in conversation with others about him (or other topics) immediately qualify as "obsessive behavior"? | |
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errant said: doesn't the very act of coming to a site dedicated to a pop star and engaging in conversation with others about him (or other topics) immediately qualify as "obsessive behavior"?
I see what u mean but respectfully disagree, Having an interest in an artist as Prolific as Prince means that going to your local wrecka stow with a liddle list of purchase's will get you zilch!!there is so much to listen to! and hints to more treasure can only be found on fan sites. The obsessed ones are easily spotted. They are the one who believe Prince is Jesus or some kind of messiah a messiah they would like to marry [Edited 1/25/09 10:44am] One minute they want peace……
Then do everything to make it go away. | |
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JOYJOY said: errant said: doesn't the very act of coming to a site dedicated to a pop star and engaging in conversation with others about him (or other topics) immediately qualify as "obsessive behavior"?
I see what u mean but respectfully disagree, Having an interest in an artist as Prolific as Prince means that going to your local wrecka stow with a liddle list of purchase's will get you zilch!!there is so much to listen to! and hints to more treasure can only be found on fan sites. The obsessed ones are easily spotted. They are the one who believe Prince is Jesus or some kind of messiah a messiah they would like to marry [Edited 1/25/09 10:44am] Not only would LIKE to marry, some even firmly believe that they're his next wife to be. | |
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babynoz said: Thanks Mars, I was going to start a similar thread because it's getting rediculous, particularly in M&M.
IMO, free speech doesn't extend to allowing folks with issues to disrupt an entire forum by posting nonsensical threads and jacking other threads with incoherent posts. It would be best if people could just ignore them but that can't be done when they pollute every single thread and it tends to bring out the worst in others. As you requested I won't name names but there's two main offenders plus a re-user has returned who was banned countless times not only from the org but every Prince site that exists. I know people don't like the idea of perma bans but I don't see any alternative in some cases. Co-sign everything you just said. There is the issue of free speech, but when a certain person's speech is disruptive to others or just plain scary, it crosses a line. I know I'm not the only Orger who finds myself avoiding M&M more often than not because of the inundation of certain types of posters/threads. If it were possible, I wouldn't mind a bit of curtailing of those who complain about negativity or think they need to defend Prince against criticism or humourous jabs, but I know that's unenforcable so I guess I'll have to let that slide. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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purplecam said: I have a question to ask. If you are one of the people who avoids P:M&M for the reasons Mars23 posted or anything else not mentioned and things were "cleaned up" in the section, would you start posting in there on a regular basis or would you still stay away from the area?
If I knew some serious action were to be taken to at least minimize the craziness I'd definitely be making more trips into that forum. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: MrsGoodnight said: (Hey Joy Joy!!! How's it going girl?! Orgnote me!) back on topic - I totally agree with you there, it gets really clique-y (especially in GD) and I, like you ditched the org for a few weeks a short while ago, which is strange for me as I usally visit daily. I stopped going to PM&M months ago because I just got tired of wading through all the weirdo's with their religious crap, psycho-babble and obsessive posts - it got to the point where I just couldn't be arsed with it any more. I can see why the mods are having a headache trying to deal with this problem - the 'problem posters' are putting off the balanced people, who genuinely want to have a decent conversation about Prince and his music (that's why we all came here afterall!) but Synthia Rose also has a point - you really have to be careful of censorship, where would the line be drawn? So...erm... Good luck with that! I shall start visiting and posting in the PM&M board again soon in the vain hope that more of the 'sane' orgers will be doing the same, bringing some balance to the board Actually, I've noticed that lately, a lot of other posters have been posting in PM&M, there are some serious conversations about the music, and then some. I'll admit, my patience for the forum lately has been pretty thin, but from time to time I do try to contribute a proper thread. I hope it helps some. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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errant said: doesn't the very act of coming to a site dedicated to a pop star and engaging in conversation with others about him (or other topics) immediately qualify as "obsessive behavior"?
.... ... ..isn't it just crazy 2 talk ABOUT prince IN prince.org ..when we assume he is peek-a-boo-in' us...yet we still don't know 4 sure... ..mzsexybaby ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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exhibit A | |
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errant said: exhibit A
Truly | |
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errant said: exhibit A
This, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of a perfect post. [Edited 1/30/09 7:48am] u don't really know me, u just think u do | |
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