Can threads like this be locked.

It makes no sense to focus on the race of an artist. Good music is good music.

Would a "Black Artist Who Get A White Pass" fly on the site?


since Blacks don't oppress I've learnt it called be called racism, but it is prejudist and bigoted

The entire premise is uncomfortable to me.


It reminds me of when I viewed the old Prince AMA performance back in 85 an they were still calling R&B "Black Music".


There's obviously a prominence of black artists in those traditional black genres--you can't deny that, but the tone and premise of such a thread feels, even if unintentionally so, racist.



I mean, what next? "Black Golfers who get a 'white' pass?"

Actually with the shit I post about Asians, I have no room to talk

I've been wondering for a while why that shit is allowed to stay up.

But whatever.

ehuffnsd said:

Which forum is this thread posted in ?

link perhaps ?

thanx

Mach said:

http://prince.org/msg/8/235140

thansk ehuff for posting this thread...i am reading other's comments and hope that possibly another mod might step in and manage it cause i am being honest when i say i don't really see the problem with having such a thread.

Since blacks don't oppress? For real? It's a genetic thing?

Racism is racism, plain and simple.

sosgemini said:

FWIW, I looked at the thread, and it seemed to be a discussion about race, not a racist thread. And that's okay under the rules:

Do not post racist or 'hateful' material. This means no racist/homophobic comments, period. Discussions of racism itself in the proper forum are OK. Making hateful comments, directed at a person or group, may get your account immediately suspended. We are extremely serious about this. prince.org is not a place for racial bigotry or hateful speech.

(Emphasis added.)

matt said:

so does that mean the thread should be moved to p&r?

sosgemini said:

sosgemini said:

If it gets off topic and just discussing racism, I think it should.

luv4u said:

I thought threads that "get off topic" were locked ?

It's cool - whatever

My opinion is, and for whatever reason, maybe I'm the only one...

is that it denotes one race being "superior" to another. Albeit, it seems harmless, but when I first read the title, I thought it was rude.

Not enough to report it, but if it were the other way around, holy shit, it would be ugly!

I hate the post!

At best, it is a weak attempt to discuss crossover appeal of white artist. At worst, it turns into a racial thing and it is an uncomfortable premise for a post in the music forum.

People are entitled to an opinion, but if the shoe were on the other foot, elements of the org would be screaming over the matter.

Is there really anyway to keep the general music forum race topic free (divert to another forum?

Mach said:

it's not off topic though...folks are discussing the thread...matt's saying the nature of the thread itself is a racial discussion.

or so i think that's what he is saying.

gemini13 said:

i have to agree, to say you need a black pass or if you sing something other than rnb you are a sell out to me screams of saying our "Black culture" is better than your "white culture" and is racist.

and SOS if i posted what black artist gets a white pass would that fly?
[Edited 8/10/07 15:04pm]

ehuffnsd said:

sosgemini said:

that's a very obvious choice.

ehuffnsd said:

actually, i think i am going to move these threads to p&r.

sosgemini said:

total classic...!!!!

ehuffnsd said:

somebody posted that question already in the thread.. and i posted an answer... it's really all harmless ..and really doesnt matter..(my answer was Tiger Woods, Prince, Lenny Kravitz, Beyoncè.. post #42)
[Edited 8/10/07 19:27pm]

What some of you are getting so ruffled by is actually just a wallop of good old fashioned truth. Sorry, but music does not come out of a vacuum. Race has played a huge part in the story of popular music. Fact. Black styles have developed and taken over popular music as we know it. Fact. The biggest beneficiaries of this have been white performers who were rewarded for using black sounds, while many black performers themselves went unrecognised. Fact. This is STILL HAPPENING TODAY! Some of you are uncomfortable hearing that? Fine, then don't read it.

Now here's where I have to ruffle some of your sensitive feathers even more. You will kick and scream and whine and protest, but here's the truth. Most white performers who ape black styles DON'T DO IT AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THEY'RE IMIMITATING! Whoops sorry, has that infuriated you? Good! The truth will always infuriate people who prefer to cover their eyes, but this is where the whole notion of a "black pass" comes from. Since these performers are imitating black styles, how successful are they in their efforts? The term may be a little crass, but it's actually meant as a genuine compliment to the few white artists who can genuinely sound black, which is what the artists in question were aiming for in the first place. Sorry to break it to you, but this is plain as day unless you prefer not to see it.

Now this, to my mind, is a musical issue first and foremost but you cannot seperate the racial and musical in this context for the reasons I've just laid out. Therefore there is nothing wrong with the thread and it doesn't need to be locked or moved.
[Edited 8/11/07 5:15am]

midnightmover said:

So a thread titled "Black Opera Singers who get a White Pass" then has no tinge of racism? Whether intentially or not?



To me it's not a denial of the facts to refrain from using some language, as I never took issue with the facts--yes, certain genres of music are dominated by certain races. But it's the tone of the way we present our views that I found distasteful. The wording was a bit much.

luv4u said:

I emphatically disagree with this point.




For example, a few months back, a female orger asked for advice on which branch of the Amerian milatry she should join? She was interested in it from a career and personal perspective. This was posted in the General Discussion.


Some [snip - CarrieMpls] decided to use it as a platform for lambasting American Foreign policy, etc. etc. and managed to derail the conversation though several of us tried to stear the ship back on course and even asked this fool to take his views to P&R.

But instead, the thread got moved to P&R. TO me this was just rewarding the [snip - CarrieMpls] for misbehavior and disrespect because he evventually got what he wanted--a platform on which to express his political views, when the original thread intent was a personal one asking for career advice. To make matters worse, this person even had to audacity to project his own imaginary scenerios on those of us who knew what it was like from a lifestyle/career prespective first hand.

So the answer to a thread that has been maliciously jacked is not to reward the idiots who do it, but to punish them.


Now.. Let me say, there is a difference in my opinion between a jacked thread that is done so by a moronic troll, and one that is jacked based upon the premise that the thread title was lighthearted and lends itself to jacking anyways. General discussion threads are often free-for-alls in which the back-and-forth banter lends itself to an organic flow of the subject anyways. But the afore mentioned thread was not one of those. And those being disrespectful to the subject should have been reprimanded and not rewarded.

The irony of my last rambling post is that it kind of jacks this thread





mods

Imago said:

Katleen Battle

Imago said:

[Edited 8/12/07 3:02am]

luv4u said:

The majority of the thread seems to be the pros and cons of Tina Marie. I don't know if she ever got a black pass. The jury's still out.....

A similar thread (What Black artists get a White pass) has been done in the past.

Let's face it, in today's highly segmented musical landscape...

ROCK music is generally associated with White artists
RAP music is generally associated with Black artists
SALSA music is generally associated with Latin artists

...Although there are many exceptions, to think otherwise is simply naive.

That being said, there are many immature and musically unsophisticated posters that allow threads along these lines to devolve into pointless race wars instead of focusing on the music.

What is always been puzzling to me is why some people find it so difficult to just pass over threads (in general) that they may consider silly/inane/foolish/wasteful to them.

Seems like a case of too much idle Org time on the hands of either side (poster & reader).


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