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Reply #30 posted 08/06/07 5:30pm

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sosgemini said:

June7 said:

i do have a problem the mods who don't want to mod a particular forum, but yet have a gazillion opinions of how the thread is moderated, or not being moderated. That can be annoying.



Our role here includes being a check and balance for the entire site. If moderators actually responded to the mod email list and there was effective communication maybe i wouldn't have to resort to publicly making comments to get your attention. it's not like its rocket science or anything. shrug

Hey... move on. I have. Next time you feel the urge to comment on me or about me, or reference me in threads (really, it could fill a book), don't.

I can't be any more plain then that. Perhaps it is rocket science - bring on the scientists, this shit is getting old.

I'm done. Move on. Thank u for your time. Adios. I can't make it any more plain than this. confused
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Reply #31 posted 08/06/07 5:33pm

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June7 said:

sosgemini said:



Our role here includes being a check and balance for the entire site. If moderators actually responded to the mod email list and there was effective communication maybe i wouldn't have to resort to publicly making comments to get your attention. it's not like its rocket science or anything. shrug

Hey... move on. I have. Next time you feel the urge to comment on me or about me, or reference me in threads (really, it could fill a book), don't.

I can't be any more plain then that. Perhaps it is rocket science - bring on the scientists, this shit is getting old.

I'm done. Move on. Thank u for your time. Adios. I can't make it any more plain than this. confused


Huh, move on? What are you talking about? Does this mean you are going to participate in the mod email list now? That way...when there are concerns they can be privately discussed. Can you agree to that?
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Reply #32 posted 08/06/07 5:38pm

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CarrieMpls said:



I'm sorry. As I stated, I meant no offense. I was simply disagreeing that we already have enough help. By pointing out that you don't live here to me does not demean in any way your contributions to this site. Just that we could use more help in that forum is all. Because you DO have so much going on away and AREN'T here all the time only helps illustrate that another mod or two in that forum could be practical. That's all.
Sorry, Carrie - I didn't mean to be a jerk... knee jerk reaction, that's all. I have no problem with adding new mods if a forum needs it. My problem is not with you... I just get over emotional sometimes... i do have a problem the mods who don't want to mod a particular forum, but yet have a gazillion opinions of how the thread is moderated, or not being moderated. That can be annoying.



Wait, are you advocating for folks to just ignore a problem? There are folks here who are so fed up with the moderation that goes on in the Prince forum and the GD forum that they don't even want to participate on the site...But we should ignore it because you feel it's annoying?

Huh?
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Reply #33 posted 08/06/07 5:45pm

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Reply #34 posted 08/06/07 5:45pm

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for the record, i'm sorry you are going through a rough time in your real life. once again, i don't have any personal beef with you...and why you would accuse me of making off colored remarks about you is beyond me. the only forum i am a frequent poster in is the non-prince forum and there is about ohhh...zero times you would even come in a discussion. if you notice, my concerns are about improving this website and if we mods actively discussed matters in the mod email list (instead of ignoring its existence) then maybe folks concerns about bias and favoritisms would be resolved.

now im sorry carrie, i know you asked me to take this to the mod list...but i highly doubt anyone would read/respond anyways (outside of anx, sweeny, mach and yourself).





oh oh oh..sweeny too edit... lol
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Reply #35 posted 08/06/07 5:51pm

Imago

Seriously.


I'm gonna pop some popcorn.
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Reply #36 posted 08/06/07 6:11pm

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Imago said:

Seriously.


I'm gonna pop some popcorn.


fishslap

it's not that big of a deal.
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Reply #37 posted 08/06/07 6:28pm

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Seriously.


I'm gonna pop some popcorn.


Mucho butter,please! and salt.
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Reply #38 posted 08/06/07 7:25pm

xplnyrslf

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Imago said:

Seriously.


I'm gonna pop some popcorn.


fishslap

it's not that big of a deal.


You're right! Again. It could be worse. All the part-time mods not doing their fair share, including Matt and Tom, could just up and quit. Then where would the site be? Arranging quickly for newbies to replace them. I feel better already..... neutral
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Reply #39 posted 08/06/07 8:15pm

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xplnyrslf said:

sosgemini said:



fishslap

it's not that big of a deal.


You're right! Again. It could be worse. All the part-time mods not doing their fair share, including Matt and Tom, could just up and quit. Then where would the site be? Arranging quickly for newbies to replace them. I feel better already..... neutral


i'm sorry you feel that way...but thanks for participating. lol
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Reply #40 posted 08/06/07 8:35pm

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i just want to clarify for the rocket scientist out there, i am not saying that june7 or any of the others mods are not doing their fare share...my concern is simple, without communication the checks and balances that protect biases, targeting by mods or accidental actions from occurring are gone.

folks should understand what constitutes a silly thread...what can get them banned...stuff like that.

and i am not picking a fight with june7 (or xplnyrslf despite her efforts) either...but if your a mod you just can't accept the responsibility, you also have to accept the accountability...and to do that--- communication is paramount.
[Edited 8/6/07 20:50pm]
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Reply #41 posted 08/06/07 10:38pm

xplnyrslf

From what I gather, the problem is, the site needs more moderators.
Contact Ben and with approval recruit more,
Imago has volunteered, I'm sure there's others competent to do the job.
Identify the problem then go about solving it.
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Reply #42 posted 08/06/07 10:53pm

xplnyrslf

Back to the topic of silly threads:
The standard on locking them should be, any that interfere with the flow of the site. Otherwise they tend to go away on their own.
Definition? Anything nonsensical.
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Reply #43 posted 08/07/07 6:43am

Imago

xplnyrslf said:

From what I gather, the problem is, the site needs more moderators.
Contact Ben and with approval recruit more,
Imago has volunteered, I'm sure there's others competent to do the job.
Identify the problem then go about solving it.
[Edited 8/7/07 5:15am]

I don't understand why Silly threads are a problem though.


In General Discussion, without these threads, I'm convinced it would be far less trafficked than it is. I may be wrong, but it's one if not the most robust forum on the site right?

And definitely stands out compared those of other fansites.
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Reply #44 posted 08/07/07 6:45am

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June7 said:

sosgemini said:

doh!

i totally just repeated carrie...my bad.


just to follow up here, june7: logging on to a forum to "preview" things is totally different then being an active member of a forum and understanding the history and flow of things...how are you going to know if someone is a troll or not if you don't know the user's previous behavior? How do you know if a thread is silly or not? Moderating can be very subjective and I think one of the important factors of being a site moderator of a community is that you are actually an active part of that community.
[Edited 8/6/07 7:20am]

if you're suggesting that i'm not an active part of this community, well then you're just dead wrong. just because i don't live here like a few of you do, doesn't mean i don't know what's going on. i know anx came back as a news moderator but his name is listed on the forums as a mod... i know he made his statement as to what he's going to do and not do, i just assumed he had the same powers and could mod if he wanted. as far as banana, that is news to me, i know he wasn't happy with some of the peeps here, but i thought he was still our gallery guy...

i love how you take any opportunity to rag on me about whatever the situation is, fucking lighten up man. if you dislike me for some reason, well, there's nothing i can do about that, but - i've tried to be cordial with you and respectul in the forums but that gets harder and harder as each day passes.

i'm sure if ben didn't think i was capable of doing this then he wouldn't have selected me... i've not changed in attendance or personality since i became a mod, so, whatever.

not knowing who's a troll or what constitutes a silly thread is a ridiculous assumption - this is not rocket science. rolleyes
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Reply #45 posted 08/07/07 7:34am

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The problem is clear in this thread....there are too many Gemini moderators.

I mean please! The two words together constitude an oxymoron. lol


Gemini? Moderate?

Yeeeeah! Ok!
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Reply #46 posted 08/07/07 8:50am

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Reply #47 posted 08/07/07 8:51am

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I don't understand why Silly threads are a problem though.


In General Discussion, without these threads, I'm convinced it would be far less trafficked than it is. I may be wrong, but it's one if not the most robust forum on the site right?

And definitely stands out compared those of other fansites.


I totally agree, was about to post this earlier but the Org was hiccuping too badly... what's the harm? Actually, and you'll looooove this Imago (so save the thread URL rolleyes ) why not make you a mod of the GD, specifically for the silly threads IF, I'm saying IF, a problem occurs in the silly threads. I can't think of many occasions where there's flaming or rule breaking in them actually so I really don't see the harm.
Both silly and nonsensical are subjective words, it's mainly what I come to the Org for these days - to have fun and goof around. To me, all threads not concerning P's music (and even then some) in the P: M&M forum are silly, but not the fun kind.
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Reply #48 posted 08/07/07 11:07am

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Does it really matter?

Is a 'silly thread' hurting you guys?

If people don't like a thread they don't have to partcipate in it.

I mean WTF?
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Reply #49 posted 08/07/07 11:08am

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gemini13 said:

The problem is clear in this thread....there are too many Gemini moderators.

I mean please! The two words together constitude an oxymoron. lol


Gemini? Moderate?

Yeeeeah! Ok!



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Reply #50 posted 08/07/07 11:11am

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TotalANXiousNESS said:

Does it really matter?

Is a 'silly thread' hurting you guys?

If people don't like a thread they don't have to partcipate in it.

I mean WTF?
I agree.
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Reply #51 posted 08/07/07 1:29pm

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gemini13 said:

The problem is clear in this thread....there are too many Gemini moderators.

I mean please! The two words together constitude an oxymoron. lol


Gemini? Moderate?

Yeeeeah! Ok!



falloff


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Reply #52 posted 08/07/07 6:37pm

xplnyrslf

Imago said:

xplnyrslf said:

From what I gather, the problem is, the site needs more moderators.
Contact Ben and with approval recruit more,
Imago has volunteered, I'm sure there's others competent to do the job.
Identify the problem then go about solving it.
[Edited 8/7/07 5:15am]

I don't understand why Silly threads are a problem though.


In General Discussion, without these threads, I'm convinced it would be far less trafficked than it is. I may be wrong, but it's one if not the most robust forum on the site right?

And definitely stands out compared those of other fansites.


I don't think they're a problem, either.

The worst scenatio was the Borat thread, with incest. (the sister sex act)
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Reply #53 posted 08/07/07 9:50pm

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CarrieMpls said:

This one's a toughie and I know that. lol

I'd define a "silly" thread as one without a topic. Examples that come to mind are ones that start out with one person stating one thing specifically to another orger and that's it. No means for all to participate in the discussion.

I guess my general philosphy is to wait and see where it goes. If conversation picks up, great, if not, then let it sink. When it becomes bothersome is when the forum is filled with nonsense threads. Currently I'm prone to let a "silly" thread or two slide in the GD but when it appears they are filling the forum to clean up (by locking) as best I can. It's rarely necessary in my last few months of being a mod.

I realize this can be seen as inconsistent. One person's thread a month ago may not have been locked when another's thread gets locked today cause it was a bit much. But I'm not sure I know a better way. I'm open to suggestion. I don't want to be the "silly" police, which is why I usually let it go unless it gets out of hand.


I agree 1000% with Carrie.
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Reply #54 posted 08/08/07 6:08am

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CarrieMpls said:

This one's a toughie and I know that. lol

I'd define a "silly" thread as one without a topic. Examples that come to mind are ones that start out with one person stating one thing specifically to another orger and that's it. No means for all to participate in the discussion.

I guess my general philosphy is to wait and see where it goes. If conversation picks up, great, if not, then let it sink. When it becomes bothersome is when the forum is filled with nonsense threads. Currently I'm prone to let a "silly" thread or two slide in the GD but when it appears they are filling the forum to clean up (by locking) as best I can. It's rarely necessary in my last few months of being a mod.

I realize this can be seen as inconsistent. One person's thread a month ago may not have been locked when another's thread gets locked today cause it was a bit much. But I'm not sure I know a better way. I'm open to suggestion. I don't want to be the "silly" police, which is why I usually let it go unless it gets out of hand.


I agree 1000% with Carrie.


It's something that will be hard to regiment.
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Reply #55 posted 08/08/07 8:09am

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Imago said:

Seriously.


I'm gonna pop some popcorn.



you should def. start a thread about that nod big grin
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Reply #56 posted 08/08/07 8:43am

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I wasn't really gonna jump in on tis but it's kinda bothering me so I guess I'll have my say....


As a rule, during the school year I'm hardly ever here. sad
I'm too busy and or too tired to post more than a handful of times a week or sometimes even a month, but I DO check in at least everyother day during those months and the first place I go when I log in is usually the mod area.
During the summer I'm here quite a bit, I certainly don't "live" here but I am here everyday, and I check the mod area when I get here and through the course of my orging.

My point in saying this is, there is hardly ever anything for me to moderate. It seems all the prolems are instantly fixed the second they occur and I guess my timing is off or something because I'm hardly never the one who gets the request. Most of the "moderating" I've done in the past hs come from personal requests via orgnote from folks asking me to handle a problem, lock a thread, or whatever.


It was my understanding when Ben made us mods, that we would do what we could when we had time when we were logged in, and because there were so many of us, there would be no need to have one mod be online 24/7.


I try to do the best I can, I answer the mod mailing list when I have something to say or when I am asked something. (Even though I wasn't getting it for while, I think it was going to a spam folder or something. confuse )

But honestly, there isn't much for me to do when I'm here. If Ben feels the need to make more mods in GD, well then he knows better than lil old me, but it seems like as it is there isn't much to go around as is.


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Reply #57 posted 08/08/07 9:11am

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Sweeny79 said:

I wasn't really gonna jump in on tis but it's kinda bothering me so I guess I'll have my say....


As a rule, during the school year I'm hardly ever here. sad
I'm too busy and or too tired to post more than a handful of times a week or sometimes even a month, but I DO check in at least everyother day during those months and the first place I go when I log in is usually the mod area.
During the summer I'm here quite a bit, I certainly don't "live" here but I am here everyday, and I check the mod area when I get here and through the course of my orging.

My point in saying this is, there is hardly ever anything for me to moderate. It seems all the prolems are instantly fixed the second they occur and I guess my timing is off or something because I'm hardly never the one who gets the request. Most of the "moderating" I've done in the past hs come from personal requests via orgnote from folks asking me to handle a problem, lock a thread, or whatever.


It was my understanding when Ben made us mods, that we would do what we could when we had time when we were logged in, and because there were so many of us, there would be no need to have one mod be online 24/7.


I try to do the best I can, I answer the mod mailing list when I have something to say or when I am asked something. (Even though I wasn't getting it for while, I think it was going to a spam folder or something. confuse )

But honestly, there isn't much for me to do when I'm here. If Ben feels the need to make more mods, well then he knows better than lil old me, but it seems like as it is there isn't much to go around as is.


Just my twocents please don't hurt me. boxed




the amount of time one spends moderating isn't an issue for me (nor do i think its an issue with anyone for that matter). as long as we are keeping up on what's going on (and actively taking part in the discussions and decision making via the mod email list- ) then shoot, spend one day a month or thirty days a month moderating...

the only reason why i brought up how much time certain mods spend moderating is to point out that there might be a need for an additional mod in the prince forum...one person managing the entire prince forum just doesnt sit right with me...viva diversity. (but hey...if ben and folks disagree with me--thats cool by me too...)

and it's not just about responding to mod requests...there's a lot of stuff that goes on that needs to be nipped that folks never report...especially when folks start feeling their is bias in moding...but anyhoo...i best get back to work now.



btw | kinda offtopic: how come luv4u isn't on this thread?
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Reply #58 posted 08/08/07 2:01pm

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I haer what you are saying.

I guess as far as the Prince forum goes, since there is a new album out, and the shows that are going on, it would be fair to have more than one mod holding down the fort.
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Reply #59 posted 08/08/07 6:20pm

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Don't the mods have their own communication network to discuss any "Problems"...

...With all respect...cos I know it's voluntary...

... but open discussion isn't of the greatest respect to each other nor is it professional...

...You all do a great job...

...each in different ways


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