Lothan said:

i swear, if you can get an actual answer out of him, i will celebrate your birthday as a personal holy day every year for the rest of my life.

Lothan said:

and i promise to continue to not lie. there is a lot about my private life that people always ask about here. do you ever do this, or that? how many women do you know who have had abortions, where do you live, blah blah blah. i owe no one any of that here. i just promise not to lie. and i never have.
mostly when i wish to share anything personal i do so in orgnotes with those who are genuine about it and will hold the conversation in confidence.

were my orgnotes to you not convincing that i am not she?

this whole thing here from you ivy is quite disingenuous imho. for one thing i cannot tell you how often i was tripped up on your multiple accounts. stymie, hobbitch, lothan...am i missing any?

i was debating with you post after post and didn't know you were you.
but ultimately i don't care. i just kinda go "oh!" when i the pieces slowly come together. i never thought you took a new name just so you could anonymously be inflammatory.

if you think that is true of me, well here is the thread for it.

HiinEnkelte said:

HA!!

HiinEnkelte said:

tappa-tappa-tappa!

cborgman said:

once again it amazes me that you think i owe you anything more than honesty about my accounts.
otherwise this is a debate forum, not personal confessionals or CborgmantheInquisitor.org

There are a few orgers i feel completely confident enough to share most anything with; and i do as the occasion provides. And even you i have shared with in orgnote about my private life. That YOU, now, think you can demand what you wish from me, or else you have every just reason to publicly accuse or insinuate what you wish is completely outrageous to me.

Just might be the reason you WILL NOT have anything about me told to you publicly here or by orgnote.

HiinEnkelte said:

David, I assure you that I am not being disingenous. Pixies is a subject that has come up out in the open on the forums more than once and you know that I do not believe you and her are the same person. I only want to know if the two of you are involved and yes, you do not have to answer that.

I have no idea why you got tripped up on any of my previous accounts because I never tried to pretend I was anyone I was not. I was one account at a time and everyone knew who I was, at least those who I wanted that fact known to.

I have been Stymie, TheOrgerFromerlyKnownAs, Hobbitch, Romera and now Lothan. I have stayed true to myself all along.

HiinEnkelte said:

well, honey, if you are going to keep hiding the truth about a very simple and not very intrusive question, then don't be suprised as your believability factor keeps dropping, because it just makes us all see that you are hiding something.

particularly when you continue to create new alters and refuse to answer questions about the whole stable of them...

and i noticed you ignored my pointing out you have or had an alter you left off your oh so honest list...

Is any of this important? I mean, really?

David I have no problem with alt ids. What I have problem with is you've been creating ids to get rises out of people are create debates, or to seem to prove a point you have by being way out feild, hoping to get someone to agree with you.


Ehuffnsd is SisterIona is huffpuffnblow. I post the same, think the same identify as the same person.


what is the point of trying to mislead people other than to get some kind of reaction or negative attention?

Lothan said:

And Ivy, i do not mean to imply that. I apologize if it read that way at all. I just mention that it is easy to get tripped up, at the start, because not everybody gets an immediate notification. I don't care about that. And I even understand wishing to post under a new name for a number of legitimate reasons, even if just for fun.

The problems are the witch hunts. And yes, they are like that. For what reason, with what proof, to what end? If a person is so certain about it and thinks it needs to be handled by a moderator, isn't that what the 'report' function is for (which i have never used)?

It's a joykill that results in these kinds of threads where mods have to consider more strict policing action, because of the mass hysteria and confusion that is fomented.

You got called out sunshine thats all. Witchhunt?! please.....
[Edited 8/3/07 19:43pm]

ehuffnsd said:

like i have always said and admitted. I post under Hiin, Alexa, and EvoL.
I challenge you to find a substantial difference in the views of Hiin and Alexa.
And Twiin is my joke account, if you will. It is not deceptive, and is openly, even in name, my evil-twin.

But there is an element of truth to him for me. and i argue from it the many things i am interested in, but can only argue "in good faith" if i openly "disown" my faith. But he is, because i believe that i am, respectful enough to every poster i engage with under that account. My Spooky Electric.

As far what most people are prone to find "hateful" that they have found in me anyway, in my Hiin account.



that's fine, your SisterIona is like my Alexamenos account. More specifically used for matter of relationship to the faith, if you will allow me to put it like that.

Twiin is a goof. but i like "him" and i think he often says a lot of good things that are as well defended as most anything else being posted.
The forum is so overly concerned with personal motivations, etc it feels good to be free of it, or to seek to make arguments for the sake of the argument's own validity.

If that is a "artistic" license that the mods think too egregious than i respect that. but will i will defend myself against is charges of trolling, flaming, baiting, etc.

I have not made a single argument under that account that i do not think i do not truly appreciate, think is good, and has a lot of merit, even if i ultimately reject it as a matter of faith, or another competing argument.

But i am not, as i doubt any of you are, a solid unified whole self with never wavering certainties.

to qualify every strong argument i seek to make in order to honestly commend the argument (as a matter of personal integrity) is just not feasible given the format and the conditions under which i normally post and not conducive overall to good debate, IMHO.



i don't want to mislead or get negative reactions. i could tell people about the love of Jesus and get negative reactions.

i want ideas to compete, and good arguments to win the day. and for it to be stimulating and somewhat fun in the process.

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[Edited 8/3/07 19:59pm]

cborgman said:

yes, a there was a blue dress and something involving a cigar.



okay.



this just begs the truth of your tedious accusations. i haven't continued to create any new accounts. my two alters, alexa is over a year old, maybe even more, and Twiin has been around for almost a year too i think. certainly not new.



yes it was i who leaked valery plame. are you happy now?



oh please get off it. i said from the beginning that my only two alts are Alexa, - no essential difference from Hiin, -just more faith limited,
and Twiin by evil double. an obvious goof.

Please inform me of which one i am leaving off the list. I must have amnesia.

There is already a thread discussing alter accounts so if we want to have a good discussion about it, let's head over there.

I don't think arguing back and forth in a public forum about specific users account names is doing anyone any good here. You could orgnote.