CarrieMpls said:

theres a reason why we dont address other moderators actions...we dont want to assume anything.....i think thats why many have recommended that people find out who the mod was who took the action and address it with him/her directly.....

most all of us now put public statements when taking action so that others know.....and if the mod didnt leave a public message i think creating a thread in the site forum asking for an orgnote for clarification would be a positive way of handling the issue....

but, try to word your inquiry in the least compative fashion....everyone hates being told they made a mistake....
[This message was edited Fri Jul 16 17:37:03 2004 by sosgemini]

sosgemini said:

exactly

sosgemini said:

I feel that all I am doing is bitch bitch bitch... so here's so more for ya... hehe

I didn't realize the portal is broken, which may account for some difficulty among mod communication. I have seen a lot less of strange activity regarding thread movements lately - notice that I started this thread on July 10th. While it was less than a week ago, you know how much traffic this site gets, so a week ago can seem like eternity. A HUGE issue can become obselete in the matter of hours.

While the issue is less pertinent now (I dragged it back up because it took five days to receive a serious response from a mod, even though it was addressed to the lot of you and other threads in this forum were receiving attention from mods), it still remains, though to a WAY lesser degree.

I understand that training would be a lot to ask for. I wonder if this all stems from my issues with the moderation process in general, especially the moderator selection process. I'm going to be the biggest asshole and say that I do adore the vast majority of the mods, and I'm glad they're here to help out (lord knows we need them!) But I'm wondering how many of the mods actually knew what this job entailed before asking to be part of it. Cause sometimes I am really not impressed at all with mods or their actions. Hell, some are completely absent from this site whatsoever.

kee, one of the most active threads in this forum (http://www.prince.org/msg/3/101345) was moved from general discussion to site discussion. It anything, it seems it should have been moved even to the PMM forum before this forum.

I've also got a question regarding threads where the creator specifically asks the thread not to be moved for whatever reason. One example is the thread CarrieLee created originally in the general discussion regarding the VHS that applekisses and a2grafix made for her, composed entirely of Prince performances. She said it made her get back into Prince, and thanked apples for it. She also asked that the thread NOT be moved. (I tried looking for this thread, but couldn't find it due to the fact that's it really buried back there, this was a while ago.) However, a mod moved it to the PMM forum, even after Carrie protested again. I don't like getting involved with other peoples' business, but it's a good example. What's the policy on this kind of situation?

Natsume said:

I'm not sure about the thread in question... I don't remember seeing it.

But to answer your question... (or attempt to), simply because an Orger requests that the thread NOT be moved, obviously does not guarantee that threads gonna stay put. It depends on the content in the thread.

Sure, you said it had to do with her thanking someone for sending her a Prince video... the primary point of the thread (according to you) was that the video made her get "back into Prince". Thus, it sounds like a thread that rightly should have been in the "Prince & More" forum.

Requests are listened to... for example (and this happens more than you know), several threads are started and then requested to be removed by the author... we always comply. Sometimes someone requests a thread be made a "sticky", that happens occasionally too. Same thing with "featured threads".

We REALLY try to be fair... but, ultimately we're only human.

Orgnote us if we piss you off... let us know... we'll try to get back to you.

- June7

June7 said:

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/101172

hmm... allrighty...

Wow... that was a nice thread. It makes me wish I had a copy of that video.


(but it was still a Prince thread... and was sent to the appropriate forum)

Sorry... you need to take up your concerns directly with the Mod in question... in that case, Luv4u.

Also, I tried to answer your question, but I can only do so with my point of view in how I try to handle things... and I think I was pretty fair and nice (or tried to be).

I found your response to me rather cold though.

("hmmm... allrighty...")

June7 said:

I'm sorry June. I'm just finding it difficult to keep bringing up the original intent of my thread. I'm not doing this to call out mods by name - I just wanted to bring this concern to the attention of all the mods. Just to say 'hey, this is an issue, and I'd like everyone to be aware of it. So please think twice before moving a thread.'

It's not that ANYONE minds that mods move threads. As long as they're into the appropriate forums. But sometimes it's just ridiculous, you know? It's just so very frustrating.

First of all, I appreciate the voluntatry work effort moderators do and acknowledge that this is not always an easy task.

Having said that, I'm gonna have to join the line of people who wonder about certain threads moving.

One example: A thread about a song was posted in GD. I thought that was odd, but that it would be moved right away to music non-Prince.
But lord behold, no such thing happened even though it was quite visible (on top of the forum).

Anyways.. in the same period I posted a thread comparing Paris Hilton and Britney Spears in GD. Needless to say, Paris is not a recording artist, and Britney's singing wasn't adressed.
However, it got moved to music non-Prince!

I thought that was strange indeed, because not only did this thread have nothing to do with music, but the clearly music-related thread in GD was still not being moved!!

Finally, I couldn't help wondering if it was because a moderator was the author of the music-thread in GD that it wasn't removed.. but then I thought nah.. the moderators are always fair and unbiased and they don't care whether it's a moderator or not that posts in the wrong forum. They probably didn't see it even though I brought attention to the matter on the post itself. Right?
[This message was edited Sat Jul 17 3:06:28 2004 by CokeJohnson]

Natsume said:

you know what though? the problem with this is that everyone could start requesting to keep threads in innappropriate forums.....dansa did this to me once and it pissed me off....but you get over it.....sometimes keeping order can be a bit frustrating....

Natsume said:

hello dolly..check your orgnotes.....

let me tell ya all...moving threads can be a bit tricky....ive moved something to a completly off the wall forum by error...and if stuff gets moved here where dansa is the only active mod..it can take forever to move back.....

re: the first rant....im thanking maybe some org mod guidelines might help....i know when i first started i stepped on a couple peoples toes by publically disagreeing with a couple other mods....and when banana started i think he gotta lil annoyed by me for warning him about certain things.....so maybe some of us will be willing to create a lil mod cheat sheet....

Natsume said:

Permission to flame Natsume!

sosgemini said:

umm... see, this is the main reason why in the example I mentioned I posted on the thread about it instead of org-noting the mod involved. That mod doesn't work in the forum it was moved to and wouldn't have been able to move the thread back anyway.

I understand your reasoning for requesting we bring it to the attention of the mod who performed that action. And if I see these things again, that is the avenue I will persue.

But over the years as an orger, I keep hearing this as a blanket statement from the mods and I think you can pick up just a titch more accountability for the work you perform here. As a group of people all performing relatively the same function, there's nothing wrong with you guys pointing stuff out to each other or asking them about a decision that doesn't quite make sense to you either. (You might all learn something from it too. ) It's like at my job, if someone comes up to me and points out what they feel is one of my peer's mistakes. I likely wouldn't just make changes, but instead I'd say, let me get back to you and then bring it to that peer's attention so we can figure out a resolution or alternately, explain what happened and why we won't change it. But I wouldn't tell that person pointing it out, well, you should talk to her instead, I didn't do it and don't know her reasoning for it. When someone comes to me with an issue, I sort of own getting them a response, ya know? Even if it wasn't my deal to begin with.

Just some food for thought.

All in all, I think this thread has succeeded in Natsume's intention of just bringing the issue to everyone's attention.

And I'd like to say again, you guys do a great job.

Natsume said:

Its not just the moving, its the over deleting and locking.
The best thing to do is talk to Ben about it. [Flame snipped. - June7] There's nothing you can really do about it because in the name of arrogance, they just don't take criticism well. Nothing can be learned and org discussions as a result are quite limited.

RomeoMustDie said:

hey, you cant flame people...if you dont like it, find another site to visit...its really that easy...

CokeJohnson said:

Paris is releasing an album

I defense of the Org, I don't think it can get any more diplomatic than it already is. A mods decision to move a thread is also influenced by the numerous "Report Post To Moderator" messages we get each day. In other words, we're also taking into account the suggestions we continuously recieve from other orgers.

An orger may message us, notifying us of a thread that he/she believes is in the wrong forum. It may be a thread that is kind of sitting the fence and would fit well in either forum, but because there's an additional orgers opinion backing it up, I may be more inclined to move it.

What you may be assuming just to be a bad move by a mod, may have also been influenced by a few comments from other orgers. We do also have to respond back to them as well and take their comments into consideration just as much as we do the people who are mad about their threads being moved or locked.

You always have the option of notifying mods of anything you think needs attention. The mods pay alot of attention to those requests. We all get them emailed to us anytime someone uses that function. If youre orgnoting a particular mod with complaints, the rest of us have no idea of whats going on unless that moderator chooses to share it all with us. We do see a list of the most recent moderator actions that have taken place, each time we log in.

Just as some of you get mad about threads being moved all over the place, it's also becomes frustrating to us when people intentionally post in the wrong forum just so their thread will recieve more attention.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 17 14:31:25 2004 by Tom]

sosgemini said:

Oh, I know, I wasn't really contesting this, it was just a question.

Tom said:

I'm not following you here, Tom. So the movement of a thread may have to do with the comments it receives and the new direction it takes? e.g. I start a thread about how much I love The Simple Life (ahem ahem 2the9s) and then everyone starts responding with "yeah, but have you heard her new album?" and now the thread is about her music and not the show... so the mod will move it to the music forum even though I originally began the thread wanting to discuss the show?



I agree - that's a very dickish move, and I always support the moderators' decision regarding this.

sosgemini said:

See, this is what I'm talking about. I don't think moderator guidelines would hurt. It might help all the mods (and there are a lot of you) to be on the same page.

Another question - so a mod can only moderate in their assigned forum? They can't dabble in others? So when you move a thread into a wrong forum that you're not assigned to, you're shit out of luck until a moderator in that forum can move it to the correct one. Forgive me for saying so, but that's kind of silly...

i thought, when it switched over to org 3.0, and all of the new moderators were brought in that there HAD been an overhaul and a dissemination of the moderator guidelines. at least that was one of the important things that was said to be addressed.....

Tom said:

ok, let me make it even clearer: My thread was in no way related to music.
btw, how do you explain a thread that is clearly about music not being removed while my thread - not about music - was?

Natsume said:

Basically yeah.....
[This message was edited Sat Jul 17 15:45:32 2004 by Sweeny79]

CokeJohnson said:

I was just throwing out a tidbit of trivia about Paris Hilton, not responding to your whole post.

Natsume said:

I was referring to the "Report To Moderator" messages we get. Sometimes people message us telling us a thread is in the wrong forum.

I know of one Moderator who needs their GAVEL taken away!

magneticvoodoo said:

names please

Natsume, I understand exactly what you mean. http://www.prince.org/msg/3/101345

notice the title says to the people in the gd forum...