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Andre 3000/ OutKast Video, "Hey Ya" I saw for the first time, the" Hey Ya" video By OutKast. I recently read an interview where Andre 3000 stated that he was not feeling the Hip Hop vibe any longer and wanted to become a musician. I know that we(orgers) have our difference regarding the value of rap music, but my question is, Does his development speak to the lack of value of rap/hip hop music regarding authentic music ? Or is he the exception and not the rule.
Anddd..Has he started a trend for those of us that would like to see soul/R & B or whatever you wanna call it, go back to live music or some form of musicianship ? Please, Please, Please. I am interested in having a friendly conversation. Its only music and only a question. Be respectful of each others opinions regardless of if you aree or not. This seems to be a challenge for a lot of us these days. Thanks...   | |
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brobyn said: I saw for the first time, the" Hey Ya" video By OutKast. I recently read an interview where Andre 3000 stated that he was not feeling the Hip Hop vibe any longer and wanted to become a musician. I know that we(orgers) have our difference regarding the value of rap music, but my question is, Does his development speak to the lack of value of rap/hip hop music regarding authentic music ? Or is he the exception and not the rule.
Anddd..Has he started a trend for those of us that would like to see soul/R & B or whatever you wanna call it, go back to live music or some form of musicianship ? Please, Please, Please. I am interested in having a friendly conversation. Its only music and only a question. Be respectful of each others opinions regardless of if you aree or not. This seems to be a challenge for a lot of us these days. Thanks... I got into music by "producing" hip hop beats or in other words making tracks (samples breaks, simple keys). And now I play instruments. Its a totally different world, & I am so much more gratified playing instruments. I always thought Outkast were about as creative/innovative with mainstream success as possible as a hip hop act. So i'm not surprised that Andre is taking it somewhere else...I really appreciate the daring outlook. I think its good for pop music & even better for hip-hop. Hip-Hop is still fairly new I think Andre is graduating from rap star to musician. Hey if Andre see's that modern hip-hop & r/b is stale and dull...then shit what are you gonna say-he is the man of the genre. Nero | |
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Andre 3000 is a very creative musician, and theres a few that are like him, like Dr. Dre, who has stayed with the hip hop but is a musician for his knowlege.
A lot of rap and hip hop lacks melody, and a lot of the old hip hop and rap was great because of melody, ie: "The Chronic". then it got lost, and now someone like eminem comes and with Dre, adds melody, thats why people like him. I have high hopes for andre's future, he's a great inspiration. Someday they will be a Org type website for him, if he keeps it up. Many people say my new song has that outkast sound, very influenced, and u know what, i would have to agree. We play what we know. U can hear my track "party4vikki" at: http://www.soundclick.com...howard.htm Sorry if this looks like cheap promotion, but it fits well. | |
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neronava said: I got into music by "producing" hip hop beats or in other words making tracks (samples breaks, simple keys). And now I play instruments. Its a totally different world, & I am so much more gratified playing instruments. I always thought Outkast were about as creative/innovative with mainstream success as possible as a hip hop act. So i'm not surprised that Andre is taking it somewhere else...I really appreciate the daring outlook. I think its good for pop music & even better for hip-hop. Hip-Hop is still fairly new I think Andre is graduating from rap star to musician. Hey if Andre see's that modern hip-hop & r/b is stale and dull...then shit what are you gonna say-he is the man of the genre. Nero You offer some great insight. I remember when Outkast released "Rosa Parks". That acoustic loop they used, I thought it was awesome. I think the reason for their success is because they have been conscious of incorporating music/songs into their style. I am looking forward to the future. I dont wanna speak too soon, but if he keeps making cuts like "hey ya" and they continue to be successful, he may be considered a trend setter. Thanks for your coolness  | |
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I just bought the new Outcast today and it KICKS ASS! I think that video for Hey Ya is one of the best I've seen in a long time and I started throwing around the idea of doing the song as a cover with my band.
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Jem said: Andre 3000 is a very creative musician, and theres a few that are like him, like Dr. Dre, who has stayed with the hip hop but is a musician for his knowlege.
A lot of rap and hip hop lacks melody, and a lot of the old hip hop and rap was great because of melody, ie: "The Chronic". then it got lost, and now someone like eminem comes and with Dre, adds melody, thats why people like him. I have high hopes for andre's future, he's a great inspiration. Someday they will be a Org type website for him, if he keeps it up. Many people say my new song has that outkast sound, very influenced, and u know what, i would have to agree. We play what we know. U can hear my track "party4vikki" at: http://www.soundclick.com...howard.htm Sorry if this looks like cheap promotion, but it fits well. No sweat bro...I agree with your points regarding ole school rap. "The Chronic" CD, thats one of those exceptional CD's that will be considered a rap classic(if there ever will be such a thing). | |
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theSpark said: I just bought the new Outcast today and it KICKS ASS! I think that video for Hey Ya is one of the best I've seen in a long time and I started throwing around the idea of doing the song as a cover with my band.
Love it! Me 2 Spark..I like a lot. Andre 3000 has that natural stage appeal as well(I know it was a video but he faked it good). I like the song and the video...He kinda bit off of Roger( I wanna be our man 1988)...but it was great.. | |
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I believe that hip-hop is cool when represented in a truly artistic way. However, with all the talk of gold, money, pimpin' ladies/dudes, etc, it really does not represent a truly musical art. Pimpin' and gold are only true if the media and rappers make it so. If there were more true musical artists representing hip-hop, like KRS One, hip-hop would be much better off, in my humble opinion. I grew up straight hip-hop in my teen years, listening to the originals like Grandmaster Flash, UTFO, Eric B and Rakim, KRS One, Public Enemy, etc. I made hip-hop music until about 2000, and I still rap every now and then, but I really lost interest in the late 90's. Maybe it was me growing up, but the "bling" style of flashy unrealistic hip-hop was just not my thing.
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Flashpointe said: I believe that hip-hop is cool when represented in a truly artistic way. However, with all the talk of gold, money, pimpin' ladies/dudes, etc, it really does not represent a truly musical art. Pimpin' and gold are only true if the media and rappers make it so. If there were more true musical artists representing hip-hop, like KRS One, hip-hop would be much better off, in my humble opinion. I grew up straight hip-hop in my teen years, listening to the originals like Grandmaster Flash, UTFO, Eric B and Rakim, KRS One, Public Enemy, etc. I made hip-hop music until about 2000, and I still rap every now and then, but I really lost interest in the late 90's. Maybe it was me growing up, but the "bling" style of flashy unrealistic hip-hop was just not my thing.
Peace, JD Mannn Exactlyyy..See that was my generation of Rap as well. Public Enemy...When they were hot there was nobody better.. "911".."Welcome to he Terrordome". I dont understand how we got from them to an act like Ludacrus(excuse spelling) naming an album "Chicken and Beer" Can you imagine Slim Shaddy coming out with a album called chicken and beer and making a video about it ? Its like these black folks today are promoting the same things that the blackspoitation movies promoted back in the day(yall can go to www.blackhistorychannel.tv (ethnic notions) for a brief history lesson, be patient 1.4 million hits daily) I just dont understand the mentality today and I dont think I should try too hard. But If they incorporated more musicianship and a lot more class, it might be a different story for me. I think Andre 3000 feels the same. I cant be sure, i'm just speculating. Thanks for your coolness  [This message was edited Mon Oct 27 9:08:59 PST 2003 by brobyn] | |
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Rap isnt' a genre that I think you can still perform at an older age and Andre realizes this. Can you imagine even the greats like Snoop and Dre rapping when they're 50? Not that Andre is close to that age but rap is a very youth oriented genre much like rock is and eventually the best artists are the ones that grow up and move on. This is why Sting looks in his element these days and why the Stones look retarded jumping around thrusting their hips like they're 25.
AS far as the rap+melody thing goes, the most successful rappers were always the ones who combined great lyrical skill with melodic elements like 2Pac, Snoop, Eminem, Biggie, etc. Most of their tracks had some melody on it sandwiched in between their raps which were first rate anyway. Rap can be very musical in the right hands, but too often that isn't the case. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: Rap isnt' a genre that I think you can still perform at an older age and Andre realizes this. Can you imagine even the greats like Snoop and Dre rapping when they're 50? Not that Andre is close to that age but rap is a very youth oriented genre much like rock is and eventually the best artists are the ones that grow up and move on. This is why Sting looks in his element these days and why the Stones look retarded jumping around thrusting their hips like they're 25.
AS far as the rap+melody thing goes, the most successful rappers were always the ones who combined great lyrical skill with melodic elements like 2Pac, Snoop, Eminem, Biggie, etc. Most of their tracks had some melody on it sandwiched in between their raps which were first rate anyway. Rap can be very musical in the right hands, but too often that isn't the case. LOL..thats funny...You are right..Snoop and Dre at 50..packing the house in Vegas...Nope..dont see it. I think rap, in its purist form is awesome. I look at it the way bee Bop music came into the Jazz world..like another form of expressing music. Or how scatting came into the Jazz world. Everyone can probably scat, but not many can do it tastefully. Just like you said, it can be awesome when its done right...but unfortunatly... Thanks for your input..I love the intellectual orgers!!! Great insight !!!  | |
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brobyn said: neronava said: I got into music by "producing" hip hop beats or in other words making tracks (samples breaks, simple keys). And now I play instruments. Its a totally different world, & I am so much more gratified playing instruments. I always thought Outkast were about as creative/innovative with mainstream success as possible as a hip hop act. So i'm not surprised that Andre is taking it somewhere else...I really appreciate the daring outlook. I think its good for pop music & even better for hip-hop. Hip-Hop is still fairly new I think Andre is graduating from rap star to musician. Hey if Andre see's that modern hip-hop & r/b is stale and dull...then shit what are you gonna say-he is the man of the genre. Nero You offer some great insight. I remember when Outkast released "Rosa Parks". That acoustic loop they used, I thought it was awesome. I think the reason for their success is because they have been conscious of incorporating music/songs into their style. I am looking forward to the future. I dont wanna speak too soon, but if he keeps making cuts like "hey ya" and they continue to be successful, he may be considered a trend setter. Thanks for your coolness Thank You...good thread | |
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