DreZone said:

I've been an "orger" for a lot longer then 2002, so I am certainly no "newbie". And I REITERATE...

There's absolutely no excuse for anyone...old school or otherwise...to lower themselves to name calling on these boards. If you are to hold others to a certain standard of conduct, you must be willing to be held to that standard as well. Referring to someone as an "ass"...especially considering your implied seniority here...is unacceptable in my opinion. Besides...shouldn't "new blood" be celebrated instead of ridiculed? Isn't that what it's all about?

You can say what you want, but I believe something like this doesn't belong on the front page. Do I have any input as to what goes up there? Of course not. The administrators of this site get to make that decision internally. But, as a contributing member, I think ALL of our opinions count for something. And, for anyone to state otherwise, it simply ignorant!

Just my 2 cents.

Strike

Friends,

Everyone be calm. The New Funk Order was created for everyone to enjoy! If you don't like something in the NFO, there are other things in the NFO to enjoy! I completely understand how a person new to the NFO will not quite understand JEW. It took me a little while to understand it. Some will never understand it, and that's okay. Quite a few people think I'm strange, and I am cool with it.

No need for name calling, no need for hostility. If you don't like JEW's sound, it's okay, and if you have any questions about him or the NFO, just ask and we will tell you anything you would like to know!

While your at it, check out my personal NFO project at www.newfunkorder.com/Zeta

JD

DreZone said:

This matters, why?

This is a prince.org site, not a peoplewholikeprinceanddoprojects.org site

Whether you like the stuff or not is irrelevant. It doesn't belong on the front page of prince.org

DreZone said:

I did, and I wish I could have those 15 minutes of my life back!

Gutter Trash: The Last Days of Vanity leads to True Illumination: The First Book of Blue Jesus.


check them out in that order


http://newfunkorder.com/T...umination/


to be continued.

-HRH Gregory Alive
with in this LoveLetter
[Edited 2/7/07 18:42pm]

ThirdStrike said:

Think I touched a nerve here... GOOD.

Whatever, U have your opinion, I have mine and we're BOTH entitled to it so be pedantic all you like. It don't bother me - bottom line, listen to the music.

'dre

truefunksoldier said:

I may be stern but I ain't faececious.

'dre

truefunksoldier said:

TFS,

Let me ask you something. Do the majority of major artists EVER give props to the people who buy, study, and emulate their music? We make them rich, and they act like they could care less about where they got their money. None of us LITERALLY earn money from our art- our art is created freely and remains free until we ASK others to listen to and buy our art. Major artists LEASE their art to major record companies who in turn sell copies of the art to consumers, and the CONSUMER is the one who ensures the income of the rich company and in doing so also guarantees that the artist gets their money.

So, where are our props? We don't ever press that issue. We don't act a fool. We just create our own thing and see where it goes. Most of us here are Prince inspired artists, hence that is why we have our "org artist's forum", hence that is why when one of our regular forum artists has a big project, they get a headline, just as other major events in other forums on this site also get major headlines.

We don't ask anything but to be heard. We don't ask for anything else, only fellowship in the music, even in the good hope that someone may be influenced by our music to form their own creation.

Since we never hear a "good job, keep doing your thing" from the major artists, then we try to be that way among each other, sharing positive comments and constructive criticism, not negative energy. I realize that it's not a perfect world.

I hope that everyone will learn to respect each other's feelings, but as I have noticed, as the generations advance into the future, that each generation seems to be getting more hostile, impatient, intolerant, and full of self-interest and greed. What my goal was, in forming the NFO and my own personal company, was to try and place a wedge (albeit a small one) in the mix and try to stop some of the bleeding. It has succeeded in some ways, only because I had the help of my friends, and because many other people around the world have created similar organizations (political action committees, non-profits, ets) and as a result, over the past few years, we have what I would call a "4th Branch of Government" with the internet underground. It will NOT succeed if we have discontent.

Thanks,
JD

We may have made many people rich....

Who pays your electricty bill...???

You as an individual have paid what and gained what in "the bargain"

Perspective please.....


Coz I still got question about.....
un-answered about who is putting
out negative disruptive energy....
I know I'm not innocent....

no smile....

Its still a good effort and news ....
which does deserve to be on the home page....

groovyiau said:

Well, we are indeed all guilty of the negative at times, but I try not to, as most people should try not to. It's not constructive in the least.

I have to pay my own bills. I make money for rich people as well by doing the "regular" job that I do in middle management. Yes, it would be nice to get recoginition from all sides, but I rarely see it from the "so-titled" big shots.

The only thing I have gained in the bargain is a decent roof over my head, reliable transportation, and the occasional nice dinner. Other than that, the only thing I get is the satisfaction that I might have had a good influence on someone by the ideas, words, and music that I speak and share with people. That is the major goal of my art, which I believe is the major goal of many people's art. Some do it solely for self-expression, but the majority reason that I do it is to try and make a difference in society.

You know, this is getting interesting. I think it's great that some Prince fans have gotten together and started releasing their own Prince-inspired music. Really, I do, it's a great thing to do.

Using a Prince-Fan forum to put it all together = very smart.

Somehow convincing the powers that be to run an ad for a project on the front page = brilliant and questionable.

However, as I mentioned, running this ad during a HOT news week for Prince = VERY questionable. This is a non-Prince related story after all. Sure you can say DreamFirstBorn is "Prince Influenced". So is Justin Timberlake, D'Angelo, and a bunch of other musician/ songwriters. Are you going to run ads (front page news stories) for them too? And as someone else mentioned, are you going to run front page stories for those of us that have Prince inspired projects?

NFO members attacking "newbies" for having a non-positive response = telling. It reveals a deep insecurity about the music. If the music was as jamming as you say, there would be no need to defend it. Nothing is everyone's cup of tea, but when you start insulting people for daring to state their honest opinion, that's a sign of trouble. Would you rather have people lie to your face and say they like it, or tell you the truth?

I love music. I'm always seeking out new stuff. I've been aware of the activities of NFO from the beginning. I'm aware of the strange squabble that went down between the two main guys that started it, and you know, I kept my fingers crossed that you would all work it all out. I've listened to bits of music from different NFO artists, and of course, the output is all across the board.

You're asking your listeners to open their minds, right? How about leading by example. Open yours.

NightGod said:

I agree with you on most of this. There are some NFO members who have in the past said some really harsh stuff, and even I was guilty of it a time or two, I'm not perfect. But, pure negativity really doesn't do anyone any good. I'll give you an example.....

Hey man, your shit sucks ass and you sound like a dying horse, your beats sound like my sister made them on a casio in 1987.

Or,

Hey man, I don't really like this, I think your vocals need some work, and you should invest in some better equipment if you get the chance.

See the difference?

I am completely fine with the latter of the two. Constructive criticism is awesome. But the "what the hell is this?" kind of comments should have no place in the world of art. That's why I can't stand to watch reality shows, because of the terrible comments so-called "judges" make about others. My master says "judge not lest ye be judged in the same manner", and I think that statement is pretty universal as a common karmic law. Maybe some people like to hear it back in return about how horrible they are and don't mind to be judged back in the same manner....to those people I say maybe Earth isn't your place to live.

prettymansson said:

"Crap"....that's the "negative" reaction I speak of....

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Another negative...."why the hell is this shit".....

truefunksoldier said:

Another one...."amateur-ish" and "silly freshman art school project".

prettymansson said:

"Crap" again....

MontRoyal said:

Pretty much the whole post here is negative....

Hey, I understand being hurt by the negativity, but put it into perspective...a whole lot of people on this board have some very negative things to say about Prince himself. If Prince isn't "good enough" in the eyes and ears of many people that visit this site, then you have to be prepared for the possible negative reaction that DreamFirstBorn is getting. Putting one's art up for public display is bound to draw criticism. If this hadn't been featured as a front page story, it would have probably gotten all positive comments from people who visit the org Artist forum.

You stated "My master says "judge not lest ye be judged in the same manner", and I think that statement is pretty universal as a common karmic law."

While I appreciate where the thought comes from and the intention behind it, it (unfortunately) is not the way of the world. Art is subjective in nature. If it still bothers you, remember that some of the greatest works of art are often met with fierce criticism. The artist is bound to be hurt by some of the criticism, but hopefully this will test the artist's belief in their abilities and their passion for their work will help them develop a thick skin.

As I've mentioned, I don't mean in any shape or form to be discouraging. I applaud putting creative works out there, and hope that everyone continues. Hopefully next time, it won't be during a hot news week for Prince. After all the timing of that seems to be intentional, and if it's attention you wanted, well you got it.

Stay Strong.

NightGod said:

very good point.

NightGod said:

Excellent post. I agree with you fully. However, I will never give up the fight to try and bring a "pure positive" approach to the world and fight for utopian ideals. That's just in me naturally. I know that negativity is the way of many, and I seek to change that.

FYI, it was not I who approved the front page ad nor created this particular DreamFirstBorn project. I am not the "NFO guy". The NFO has no central authority as it is a communal organization, I was simply the founder of the organization and the original name and concept. When it was put together formally, I had help in making it what it is and it became an "equal share" musician's community. I wish I knew how to do web design as good as the "NFO guy" but I don't....lol. I could care less about what time we run NFO artist related ad's, all that matters to me is that it exists.

NightGod said:

Thank you Knight God!

If NFO and it's supporters can't handle "negative" responses, they're so in the wrong environment!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

SBO, it's not about being able to "handle" it, I can handle it just fine, I've handled it my entire life, and therein lies the problem- people being hateful just to be hateful. There comes a time when you've had enough of people being negative just to be negative. At my ripe old age of 30, I feel that the time has come to conquer with pure positivity, because this world is suitable to be as the Kingdom of Heaven, and it will be done here as it is there. If I don't do it, I'll die trying.

psychodelicide said:

it is about LONGEVITY. almost like SENIORITY. he has been here for a long time and paid his dues in the community. all the newbies need to show your works and let us turn the screws on your egos.

become rich by making others rich...

How does that work????

paisley16 said:

JDOBSON, from going through and rereading this thread, I see you were the one
that was first responsible for getting the artist's forum going in here as well
as getting the NFO going....

I do appreciate the forum....I love to listen to what the artists have to offer.
Sometimes I like the music and sometimes not....and I've voiced my opinions
both ways.

The NFO has put in great effort on their projects I know, and some of those
songs I like as well....but the videos still upset me and maybe that's
because I just still really don't understand them....maybe I never will. But
it doesn't mean I don't appreciate the effort and the creativity, as I do with
all artists.

And answer me one question that I've been perplexed about...are
dreamfirstborn, loveletter, and IAmMyFather the same person?...I've always
been confused by that....and there would be such a great sense of relief if I
could just know that...

NightGod said:

well said !!!

obsessed said:

I'm not sure if they are all the same person, but I know they all work for an artist's league named "The Download Society", so it's the same organization.

Thanks for the kind words about the NFO!

Jason

So, the main reason people are upset is because its taking away from 15min of Super Bowl hype by being on the front page?

Damn.

hmmm....


i guess i must respond to all of this.....


i will soon.


thank you for your interest.


-DreamFirstBorn, Jew
@ The DownLoad Society & The NewFunkOrder