June19 said:
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Prince doesn't "run" that site...ah-hem...
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if Prince doesn't run that site and the Jehovah Witness do... then are we not donating $25 dollar to a church to be apart of it congregation.. and if so isn't that false advertising. and isn't false advertising ILLEGAL.

and if we are now apart of that congregation, because we willfully join believing it was a music club, supplying them our names and address's along with credit card info.. is that info being enter into some data base that keeps us on file as members of this religion. making there existance more "creditable" because we are expanding there congregation by willfully joining into there organization.

if i remember someone said something about this a few months ago as a what if question, being deleted because it seem to far fetch.

One more thing... IF it is true that The NPGMC is a Religious Forum and U are consider a member.. How do U feel about being part of a Organization that does preach the abomination of HOMOSexuals, Lesbian, & BiSexauls. Amagine if u are one of these mentioned and u find out that u are on a data base where it says that u are affilated with Anti-Gay Rights. Doesn't that make a Hyprocrite out of U?

thats like being on trial for a hate crime against a gay and a U say that u don't hate gays and that u are gay and then the prosicuting attorney shows papers that says that u actually belong to a group that practice the abonination of gays... so how can u be gay and be apart of a group that practice's the abonination of gays, there for causing u to be convicted of a crime by the misleadings of an organization that u believe to be one thing yet turns out to be another. Are u a hyprocrite or are u a victim of a more serious crime.

So if I see a movie with Tom Cruise in it, I'm automatically down with the Scientologists?

The chat topic for that day was to discuss Gay Marriages - a current topic in the news. The site did not say it was for or against this issue - just threw it out there for discussion - the same way other current news items have been listed as topics for discussion . . . don't read so much into it . . .

Anxiety said:

Hilarious! Talk about scare antics.

Every time a person (in the US) pays taxes, they are in-effect "donating" to many religious organizations. The most widespread of these government subsidized religions would be the christian faith. As you may know, there are many followers of this and other sects that have rather archaic beliefs about homosexuality.

Separation of Church and State is unfortunately a myth.

A privately held website bogarting your cash for Jesus is the least of your worries, maybe.

Prince can be such a dick, though. Ya know?

sexaftertaste said:

I don't believe that the site preaches about the abomination of homosexuals. On the threads that have popped up on the subject, the problem lies, not with the quoting of bible scripture, but the opinions of those who post on those threads whose responses seem downright homophobic that go unchecked. There are no responses for any of the PPs giving any warnings to folks or advising people to remain repsectful to others. That is what has given me the impression of how they feel about homosexuals on the site. My two cents.

Stymie, you may well be dead on it, but what I find interesting is that these arguably intolerant actions on the moderators' behalf are primarily performed in the chatroom, where there can be no record of their actions.

As you know, I don't "do" chat, on NPGMC or here on the Org. I might poke my head in every great once in a while, but just long enough to remind me why I'm not into it. I don't think there's anything wrong with chat - just not my bag. But as a result, I get my information from the discussion forums, and the only discussion threads I've encountered over the past few months at the club have been very well-balanced, overly gay-friendly dialogs.

So I have to ask - where's the homophobia? I can easily believe there are more than a few religious zealots and other various 'phobes hanging around...I just don't see 'em.

Folks, you can always take screen caps of the chat room when something questionable is said in the room that you wish to use as proof in your discussions.

I've never tried to cut and paste text in there but from what I hear it can't be done, or done easily.

Tom said:

What's a screen cap?

I'm a lil' confussed. If you seem to dislike Prince so much why is it that you are here exactly?? If you are and you buy his music and you feel so strongly about the things you are saying doesn't that make you the hypocryt?
I don't think we have to have all the same beliefs as a person just because we like their music and enjoy them. If that were the case none of us would be able turn on the tv, radio...

stymie said:

Screen capture

Universaluv said:

I am really stuck on stupid today, Universaluv, but how do you do that?

shortnsweet said:

shortnsweet i never said once that i didn't like prince... but what i do disagree with is the way that the people who "represent prince" and speak as if they are speaking for prince conduct there business with those of us who really and truely appreacite the man and his message. if i didn't like prince so much i wouldnt spend the time trying to figure out what it is that is being handed to us on in a spoon. My Love 4 prince and his music-message is still as strong now as it was back then... i just want to know why they allow so much anti-gay practicing over there. If they don't like gays fine then so be it but at the same time don't make like there are no gays, lesbians, or bisexuals over there as members of the club and then bring up a topic regarding gays and such only to promote bible passage that say abomination to gays. if they want to do this then they should take a "neutral stance" and just let the members conduct the conversation, as it is when i have talk to several of the "parkers" there responce to me has always been "gays" will be abominated according to the bible. to me that is not a neutral stance, that is being anti-gay. this is not a snipe against prince persay but more a gripe with those who run his site forgetting that Prince has in the past build his empire on the moneys of gays lesbians, and bisexuals.

stymie said:

http://www.mccannas.com/p.../tip39.htm

How to Create a Perfect Screenshot Painlessly

This tutorial will teach you how to create a screenshot of any web page or capture any screen event. Step by step instructions are given for Photoshop, but you could also use this tutorial with Corel PhotoPaint or Paint Shop Pro or even MS Paint.

1. Open the web page in the web browser. On Windows, press the Print Screen or Prnt Scrn key on your keyboard, found at the upper right of the keyboard. Betcha didn't ever notice this key before! This key will capture the entire screen. If your monitor resolution is set to 640x480, that's the size of the screen capture. If your monitor resolution is set to 600x800, that will be the size of the screen capture, etc.

To capture only the active window, press Alt + Print Screen.

On the Mac, press Command + Shift + 3.

2. Next, open up your paint program - you can use virtually any paint program, including Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Corel PhotoPaint, or even Microsoft's Paint, usually installed on Windows in the Start/Programs/Accessories/Paint.

3. In the paint program, select File/New, then Edit/Paste. Pretty simple, right? Your screen capture is now ready to be cropped or scaled. opposite direction.

Bless you, Universaluv!!!

you aren't even over there anymore, AsIAm, so why don't you just drop the whole Music Club thing already? I can't believe someone wastes their time on a site complaining about another site they can't even go to.

deepabove just because u don't see me doesn't mean im not there. Im there. doing more than u can amagine.
thanks for keeping an eye out thought.

sexaftertaste said:

IMO, as long as the "Parkers" are not keeping members from expressing their opinions on the topics presented for discussion in the chats, I don't really have a problem with the "Parkers" chiming in with their opinions. They are just people after all. Whether or not you agree with them, their opinions are as valid as anybody elses. Heck, moderators here on the org chime in all the time with their opinions.

It seems strange that for a site that takes so much heat for being overly censored, some people seem to be asking for more censorship on these subjects.

sexaftertaste said:

Thanks for explaining

Universaluv said:

I don't think that's necessarily what a lot of people in this thread (and the other one like this in this forum) are saying...I think the concern is more that, the moderators have a particular POV which may be offensive to some, and when arguably offensive posts of similar viewpoints are posted, they're not as quick to be deleted/locked/tut-tutted as other so-called "harmul matter" might be.

Maybe the PPs need some good old fashioned sensitivity training.

I have no problem with them having topics regarding Gay Lifestyles Once in a while but it always seems to be that everytime there is a cause for Gays to celebrate a victory over "oppression" they seem to bring it up in discussion and then turn it into gays being a bad thing. like i said before

On Gay Pride topic "what does the bible say about Homosexuality"

when an openly Gay man appointed Bishop topic "Gays Bishop what do u think" then proceeding with he cant preach the full word of god because to he would have to delete parts of the bible to his congregation

then when Gay Marriages are voted legal topic is "gay marraiges what do u think"

its the consistency of Gay topics when gays have a lot to celebrate for and taking these topics and using them as a means to condem.

and not only that when asked what they believe about Gays they always point to a scripture that says "homosexuals are sinners, will be condemmed, will be abominated"

its like Yeah man we have something to celebrate for lets go hear some great music at The NPGMC to "keep the party jumping"(where have i herd that?) and then be hit with all this Holy than thou shit.

If u don't want them There Just say straight forward
Get the fuck out we don't want your kind here
if not... let it go.

Anxiety said:

I appreciate that concern. Here's what I was responding to:

sexaftertaste said:


Saying that the PP'ers should not express their personal opinions in a chat discussion sounds like censorship to me.

Also, I'm talking about the Chat portion of the site since the original thread was focused on homophobic topics in the NPGMC Chat, not the NPGMC forums per se.

Again, I don't really care what personal views they offer up in a chat as long as they don't act (banish/ delete/etc) in a manner that keeps members from expressing contrary views.

sexaftertaste said:

Alright, last time I'll make this point. The Chat portion of the site will from time to time offer up newsworthy items as topics for discussion. Just like in the General Discussion portion of this site. They're putting up subjects for discussion that people are talking about and debating anyway. IMO, it'd be much more suspect if they posted these topics when they weren't in the news.

yeah u can have topic like what prince song do u like best... who do u think should come out of retirement... which band did u like more... i can understand that but how come they never have any other "serious" topics over there.

sexaftertaste said:

Well, whether the Chat topics should only be prince/music-related is another issue entirely. There is a General Discussion forum here on the org and a Politics and Religion forum, so its not exactly unheard of for Prince fans to discuss serious issues that have little to do with Prince.

Moreover, the NPGMC has posted "serious" chat topics that have had nothihng to do with homosexuality. So it's not like that's the only non-music issue they put up for discussion. The issue here is whether certain chat topics posted were homophobic. Some think they were, others don't.


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no the subject is they are against Gays, lesbians, bisexuals...


being against and being homophobic are entirely different perspectives
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sexaftertaste said:

Well fear (phobia) can manifest itself in many ways, including opposition.

To be fair, the three chat topics that were posted said nothing about bisexuals, so I'm not entirely sure why that's in there to begin with. Also, why seperate Gays and Lesbians? Are there heterosexual lesbians?

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So the site asks "what do you think?" about gay issues -- just exactly how does that make them anti-gay? Gimme a break. I've been in there for plenty of discussions and not once did I see any PPer slamming anyone because of sexuality, race or religion for that matter. But certain members sure seem to get up in arms about it.
The site asks "what do u think" about a lot of stuff. It's to stir up discussion. And obviously it works. Look at you, you don't quit!

Universaluv said:

Silly goose - "lesbian" is a label most gay women use to differentiate themselves, because at one point there was a concern that gay men and lesbians, while both homosexual, were two different cultures that should be represented individually. If you are around the queer community much at all, you'll see that this has branched out and it's very common to see "LGBTQ" (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer/questioning") used instead of simply "Gay and Lesbian". In the mainstream, however, it seems that "Gay and Lesbian" is pretty much the catch-all in discussions.

Hey, you asked.

Anxiety said:

Yeah I did. For the record, I know about the G&L terminology. Was just tired of being so dang serious on this thread.


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