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PrintableFunkyDissCo said: P's site hasn't given me a single day of joy .
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Efan said: Bohemian67 said: That's a good idea. And for those on here complaining about the $, I'm interested, if you don't support charities and take the above poster's advice, what would you have spent the $77 on? Secondly, what would the worth be of what you spent it on today? What would you have in your hands/mind/heart for example? [Edited 3/5/10 6:58am] Is that a serious question? The logic makes no sense whatsoever. Your attempts at moral relativism do not mitigate Prince's thieving from his fans. Your own logic is senseless. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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FunkyDissCo said: Bohemian67 said: That's a good idea. And for those on here complaining about the $, I'm interested, if you don't support charities and take the above poster's advice, what would you have spent the $77 on? Secondly, what would the worth be of what you spent it on today? What would you have in your hands/mind/heart for example? [Edited 3/5/10 6:58am] If i had 77$ to spend today, I'd go for some nice big meal for me and my girlfriend, some 4 or 5 CDs and a good wine. That would make me a happier guy tonight and a pleased listener for at least 3 weeks. In comparison, P's site hasn't given me a single day of joy but a lot of frustration and anger. I haven't found anything on the shitty LF site which i could enjoy for more than 2 minutes. Neither the crappy "artwork" nor the even worse videos which i watched once (only because i paid for it and it was the only thing i could get from the site) and then stored them away after downloading. Hell there are approx. 200 DVDs i'd watch rather than any of those crappy clips. Life's too short for me to watch Crimson & Clover one more time in .flv quality. LOL! And before you ask: I bought hard copies of the albums. Twice. And before you ask: Yes, of course temporary happiness can be bought. Frustration can, too, though. Amazing! A decent meal for two, for me would already be 77 dollars or more. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Efan said: Is that a serious question? The logic makes no sense whatsoever. Your attempts at moral relativism do not mitigate Prince's thieving from his fans. Your own logic is senseless. If you want to be a child about this, go ahead. But acting as though the LF.com situation is okay simply because you don't place any value on $77 is ridiculous. Prince promised something. He didn't deliver. He never intended to deliver. He lied about it all. That's thievery. | |
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Bohemian67 said: Amazing! A decent meal for two, for me would already be 77 dollars or more. You know, it's like cooking is kind of a hobby for me. So for 77 dollars, i can indeed cook decent meals for two for a whole week. Amazing, isn't it? | |
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One word for you people: suckers. That's what all of you are.
It's amazing what Prince fans will do. While he takes your money and you get nothing in return. AND he sues all his fans. Yeah, I love Prince's music as much as the next fan, but come on people, what did you expect from him? Seriously. R.I.P Housequake.com (thanks Prince. I'm still pissed off about that.) "So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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4bjb said: IstenSzek said: another slap in the face this year is that he released 2 one off
songs "large room with no light" and "purple and gold" to other sources than his own subscription site. they could have at least had the sense to put those songs on the official site, even if they were 'exclusive' to the other sites for a little while. it's surprising that he's put up "cause and effect" now. but it's also telling. it's about saving face i guess or about trying to get people to keep hoping for more, since, you know, it's about time to get people to sign up for year 2. the only possible way for him to redeem himself of this shambles is to not charge people any more money for the second year. just turn the subscription into an indefinite membership and if you release new music, simply put it in a 'store' section and sell it. is that so hard? i have no use for streaming music, i want music on my harddrive and the option to burn it to a cd so i can listen to it in my car. Complaints, complaints, complaints. I will be so happy when so-called fans like yourself make up your minds not to sign up...maybe then you will move on and find another artist to complain about. you, dear sir or madame, are an abomination | |
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Well all I can say is I am glad I didn't subscribe this last year.
The majority of the stuff has been available before and the new stuff that I did see at a friend's house (who did pay the $77) is now freely available anyway. The t-shirt ? I wouldn't wear it anyway (that is if I even received it). Hard to believe I've been on the org for over 25 years now! |
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FunkyStrange said: Well all I can say is I am glad I didn't subscribe this last year.
The majority of the stuff has been available before and the new stuff that I did see at a friend's house (who did pay the $77) is now freely available anyway. The t-shirt ? I wouldn't wear it anyway (that is if I even received it). Same here. Seeing how he messes up every new project by early abandoning every effort of promotion, does 0 in taking care of his legacy and is totally unreasonable in sueing everyone in sight that even mentions his work, I decided to sit this one out, awaiting feedback from the first wave of subscribers. Needless to say, they proved that I did right not to join the site. And what did I do with 77$ ? I bought CDs from other talented people; billie holiday, anita o day, nina simone, anne russel, jamie lidel amongst others... The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy. | |
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FunkyDissCo said: Bohemian67 said: Amazing! A decent meal for two, for me would already be 77 dollars or more. You know, it's like cooking is kind of a hobby for me. So for 77 dollars, i can indeed cook decent meals for two for a whole week. Amazing, isn't it? So can I. But I meant spending $77 on another entertainment venture, not household affairs like cooking. That's why the amount could be a dinner out. So your entertainment costs would have been the cds your bought. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Efan said: Bohemian67 said: Your own logic is senseless. If you want to be a child about this, go ahead. But acting as though the LF.com situation is okay simply because you don't place any value on $77 is ridiculous. Prince promised something. He didn't deliver. He never intended to deliver. He lied about it all. That's thievery. No.1 I don't act. No. 2 The LF situation is ok for me because I got what I wanted. No.3 Where are your facts that I don't place value on $77, or is it just some wild thought up notion? So because I have my own opinion I'm a child?  You really are silly.[Edited 3/7/10 9:20am] "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: So can I. But I meant spending $77 on another entertainment venture, not household affairs like cooking. That's why the amount could be a dinner out. So your entertainment costs would have been the cds your bought. Don't know where you're trying to get with this... But OK, then let me put it this way: For $77 i could've bought the LF album (what i did, nevertheless) plus 9 more nice CDs for my collection. I would have a) got much "more" for my hard earned money, b) would've had much more joy with what i got, and c) hadn't felt bent over like shit. I'm not trying to force anybody to feel bad who actually enjoyed the site, but please explain this to me: What DID you expect to get for effin $77? A nice watch at some 21 nights pics and some youtube videos for a limited time? Really? | |
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IstenSzek said: another slap in the face this year is that he released 2 one off
songs "large room with no light" and "purple and gold" to other sources than his own subscription site. they could have at least had the sense to put those songs on the official site, even if they were 'exclusive' to the other sites for a little while. it's surprising that he's put up "cause and effect" now. but it's also telling. it's about saving face i guess or about trying to get people to keep hoping for more, since, you know, it's about time to get people to sign up for year 2. the only possible way for him to redeem himself of this shambles is to not charge people any more money for the second year. just turn the subscription into an indefinite membership and if you release new music, simply put it in a 'store' section and sell it. is that so hard? i have no use for streaming music, i want music on my harddrive and the option to burn it to a cd so i can listen to it in my car. I agree with U. One thing that makes me upset is that the new music tab is not available 4 download. I wouldn't mind having those songs, or any new ones, where I can listen 2 it other than on my computer. | |
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I may not know everything about running websites or the cost of keeping them going, but I've looked at other artist's websites and they don't cost anything unless you want to buy their music. Then you buy it, download it, and you're on your merry way. Their websites don't include a cost just to join. You go to their site, watch videos, see pictures, and listen to music. They may not have symbols to navigate around the galaxy, but other than the big intro into the galaxy really needed? I went to Norah Jones website, and basically has the same things as Prince.. just not as many videos, but it cost nothing. Can someone tell me why it would cost $77 a year?? I'm so lost.. | |
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For $77 I would pay a good-looking Amersterdam Prostitute who'd give me 'everything on the menu' for that price, AND stay the entire night.
If another LF subscriber joined me we could 'tag-team' and we'd get two nights of pleasure, rather than just one. $77 can go a long way. | |
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I've just had a thought - I remember seeing a Prince interview (maybe on the Purple Doves DVD?) where he said that he would like to be a troubadour and travel around playing small gigs to small numbers of people, but can't becasue he has too many fans. Maybe Lotusflower was the first (some may well say a different number!) step towards achieving this aim!
Serously though, as a "seasoned" fan, the site has been a disappointment - it could've been a way for Prince to have a go at stopping the bootleggers, by releasing live gigs just after they happened at discounted prices to members and a higher price to non-subscribers, releasing past gigs (although I'm sure certain words F..., MF..., damn, ass - Girls & Boys, why not change it to eyes rather than not sing anything?! - would all be edited out) at similar rates. The inability to save the content direct from the site - and I know some of you "have a way" - is frustrating, as is the fact that most of it is already in my collection. For a new fan, would you risk $77 to see what Prince had to offer? I doubt it, but if you did, yes, there is a host of "new stuff" but again not "ownable". What else could you've spent your $77 on? Well that's a difficult one. What costs $77 and only lasts for a year? The road tax for my motorbike is twice that, and what do I get? Pot holes! It's all about value for money and your own considerations of what that means... I feel frustrated by the lack of updates, sure, but the bullying tactics of some on here is to the extreme. Keep on snipping Mr(s). Moderator We ain't from Hollywood, so you know it's all good | |
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harveya said: The road tax for my motorbike is twice that, and what do I get? Pot holes!
Another brilliant comparison. 
What else can we compare the site's price to? The 100 bucks me and my girl spend on toilet paper per year just to wipe our asses? Is that fun? Entertaining? Not exactly. But does it make the $77 for LF more enjoyable? Neither. 
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Purpracer2 said: I may not know everything about running websites or the cost of keeping them going, but I've looked at other artist's websites and they don't cost anything unless you want to buy their music. Then you buy it, download it, and you're on your merry way. Their websites don't include a cost just to join. You go to their site, watch videos, see pictures, and listen to music. They may not have symbols to navigate around the galaxy, but other than the big intro into the galaxy really needed? I went to Norah Jones website, and basically has the same things as Prince.. just not as many videos, but it cost nothing. Can someone tell me why it would cost $77 a year?? I'm so lost..
It would be easy to simply say other artists are not Prince. But youre lost - by your own admission. Download 3 albums of music from Norah Jones or any other artist that you tink is comparble to Prince and see what how free it is. See how many new or rare videos you get for free. | |
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FunkyDissCo said: harveya said: The road tax for my motorbike is twice that, and what do I get? Pot holes!
Another brilliant comparison.
What else can we compare the site's price to? The 100 bucks me and my girl spend on toilet paper per year just to wipe our asses? Is that fun? Entertaining? Not exactly. But does it make the $77 for LF more enjoyable? Neither.
No pun, Harveya, just saying... Mine wasn't meant to make the LF sub any better value... it was a sideways swipe at those who reckon giving a prostitute the same money is comparable, etc... I pay my road tax so the roads can be in a fit state, but generally they're not so I'm giving the government (Prince) my hard earned cash to pay for something that should be fun (riding my motorbike/ top quality music) but I'm not getting anything to show for it (potholes/ no updated content). Not such a bad comparison I thought... Although the LF sub was a choice whereas the tax is compulsory... For some, the LF sub was compulsory... We ain't from Hollywood, so you know it's all good | |
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FunkyDissCo said: Bohemian67 said: So can I. But I meant spending $77 on another entertainment venture, not household affairs like cooking. That's why the amount could be a dinner out. So your entertainment costs would have been the cds your bought. Don't know where you're trying to get with this... But OK, then let me put it this way: For $77 i could've bought the LF album (what i did, nevertheless) plus 9 more nice CDs for my collection. I would have a) got much "more" for my hard earned money, b) would've had much more joy with what i got, and c) hadn't felt bent over like shit. I'm not trying to force anybody to feel bad who actually enjoyed the site, but please explain this to me: What DID you expect to get for effin $77? A nice watch at some 21 nights pics and some youtube videos for a limited time? Really? Not going anywhere just want to know what the $77 could have been spent on by others that would have been comparable/better/or worse to LF. Personally, the money spent for the annual subscription could have been wittered away on many other things. A few for example, Cds/dvds that I might still have in a cupboard, a dinner out, nice but lost and gone forever, clothing that I might or might not wear in the future/ a weekend day trip to a dolphinarium/zoo , a bottle of perfume which would be finished by now, a theatre production, 4.5 movies at the cinema, a shiatsu massage and coffee and cake after (for one). What did I expect for the $77? I didn't have any expectations. What did I get? A lot of video material I'd never seen before which I prefer to watch than own buy because once seen a few times it goes into the cupboard. Sure I'd like to have the audio. I have LF and the lyrics online are larger than a cd booklet, easier to read & soon in memory. I wouldn't have worn the t-shirt but joined late so wasn't entitled to one. The tickets heads up to the smaller venue in Paris, were close to home albeit not home. I don't expect free tickets. The MPLS peeps got cheap tickets via the site for the last bash of the year good for them. There have been previously written excellent posts about the breakdown of costs for what LF provided proving a reasonable price. That the site videos don't load instantaneously or that the updates are infrequent I agree, but that's it's so worthless as to warrant such irrational comments about extravagant costs and no content, sorry I don't think so. [Edited 3/9/10 2:01am] "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: FunkyDissCo said: Don't know where you're trying to get with this... But OK, then let me put it this way: For $77 i could've bought the LF album (what i did, nevertheless) plus 9 more nice CDs for my collection. I would have a) got much "more" for my hard earned money, b) would've had much more joy with what i got, and c) hadn't felt bent over like shit. I'm not trying to force anybody to feel bad who actually enjoyed the site, but please explain this to me: What DID you expect to get for effin $77? A nice watch at some 21 nights pics and some youtube videos for a limited time? Really? Not going anywhere just want to know what the $77 could have been spent on by others that would have been comparable/better/or worse to LF. Personally, the money spent for the annual subscription could have been wittered away on many other things. A few for example, Cds/dvds that I might still have in a cupboard, a dinner out, nice but lost and gone forever, clothing that I might or might not wear in the future/ a weekend day trip to a dolphinarium/zoo , a bottle of perfume which would be finished by now, a theatre production, 4.5 movies at the cinema, a shiatsu massage and coffee and cake after (for one). What did I expect for the $77? I didn't have any expectations. What did I get? A lot of video material I'd never seen before which I prefer to watch than own buy because once seen a few times it goes into the cupboard. Sure I'd like to have the audio. I have LF and the lyrics online are larger than a cd booklet, easier to read & soon in memory. I wouldn't have worn the t-shirt but joined late so wasn't entitled to one. The tickets heads up to the smaller venue in Paris, were close to home albeit not home. I don't expect free tickets. The MPLS peeps got cheap tickets via the site for the last bash of the year good for them. There have been previously written excellent posts about the breakdown of costs for what LF provided proving a reasonable price. That the site videos don't load instantaneously or that the updates are infrequent I agree, but that's it's so worthless as to warrant such irrational comments about extravagant costs and no content, sorry I don't think so. [Edited 3/9/10 2:01am] Who are you to say if someone got their money's worth or not? What difference does it make what else people could have frittered their money away on? | |
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Bohemian67 said: Secondly, what would the worth be of what you spent it on today? What would you have in your hands/mind/heart for example? A lower credit card bill and more music.  | |
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So... watching youtube videos is cooler for you than having a DVD because the youtube video cannot collect dust in the shelf, yeah?
And compared to some nice evenings the investion into LF is better bacause it isn't "lost and gone forever", yeah? And a good thing about the 77$ deal is that you have the lyrics to the latest albums, which you cannot print out nor even copy into another file, but it's nice to have them at LF "larger than a CD booklet" and "easier to read", yeah? And finally, you agree that "the updates are infrequent", yeah? L-M-F-A-O! Sorry, but this is THE most ridiculous stuff I've heard in a long while. I'm done with this thread. | |
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FunkyDissCo said: So... watching youtube videos is cooler for you than having a DVD because the youtube video cannot collect dust in the shelf, yeah?
And compared to some nice evenings the investion into LF is better bacause it isn't "lost and gone forever", yeah? And a good thing about the 77$ deal is that you have the lyrics to the latest albums, which you cannot print out nor even copy into another file, but it's nice to have them at LF "larger than a CD booklet" and "easier to read", yeah? And finally, you agree that "the updates are infrequent", yeah? L-M-F-A-O! Sorry, but this is THE most ridiculous stuff I've heard in a long while. I'm done with this thread.  | |
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Vendetta1 said: QuietSeven said: LOTUSFLOW3R...A Solomon's Treasure.
It's all well and good YOU had a good experience but you have no right to speak on anyone else's behalf. I do not like wasting money, if it's one dollar or 77. You can dress a pile of shit up in a daisy costume and it is still a pile of shit. If I feel ripped off, I am going to feel ripped off if it Prince or if it's Target or Wal-Mart or whomever.
LotusFlow3r has so much treasure it's like Solomon's Vault. I am amazed at the music, photos and pretty much everything all wrapped up in a vortex of one heck of a geomancy spiral. I mean are people kidding me when they say they don't get their monies worth? I am shocked at all of the videos and archives of things I have never seen. Just watching the Sacrifice of Victor with Mavis Staples made me smile, although haven't watched it all the way through yet because it's a WHOLE movie of musical bliss. Right now: I am watching I would die for you... Sheila E on the drums is extra-ordinary. I watched when I lay my hands on you... bout the sexiest divine song I ever heard... and when Renato plays the piano it's truly unique. I loved the Harmonica on another song and let me tell ya the version of Mountains is really great and another song that kicks into Michael Jackson's song. I am shocked at how much is truly on this sight. Crimson and Clover is a gorgeous deep song... the video is beautiful absolutely melting to the eyes in vision. I haven't even touched a whole lot on the site and I truly love it. I can't tell ya how much the fee in comparison is... $77.00 can't compare to the amount of talent on this web site. Yes, people may complain about the money; however, $77.00 divided by 12 months is? $6.41 a month? You can't even get 3 gallons of gas with that... and this music goes such a farther distance than any car would on $6.41. I applaud the site and I absolutely love what I have seen and heard and I haven't even touched... 1 percent YET. Fantastic Mr. Nelson...thank you for sharing! Now some peeps may come in crashing after I post this... but you pay no mind and notice I mind and I matter and that's that... keep smiling everybody, and let love... live. Take care. me. The absolute unmitigated gall of some of you.  | |
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You know... Some people like the site, and some don't... Some feel ripped off because expectations and interpretations were not met, others are content...
But one thing is for certain... This bickering and name-calling is childish; whether it's calling people (including Prince) bi..hes because they feel cheated, or accusing folks of drinking purple cool-aid because they feel satisfied... NONE of it is cool! | |
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FunkyDissCo said: So... watching youtube videos is cooler for you than having a DVD because the youtube video cannot collect dust in the shelf, yeah?
And compared to some nice evenings the investion into LF is better bacause it isn't "lost and gone forever", yeah? And a good thing about the 77$ deal is that you have the lyrics to the latest albums, which you cannot print out nor even copy into another file, but it's nice to have them at LF "larger than a CD booklet" and "easier to read", yeah? And finally, you agree that "the updates are infrequent", yeah? L-M-F-A-O! Sorry, but this is THE most ridiculous stuff I've heard in a long while. I'm done with this thread. The videos are online for everyday viewing not on youtube. Yes, I'm not that fanatic that I need to have every single dvd of any artist. Yes the music on LF which I have now I will have forever. The meal is long gone. Why would I need to print out lyrics when they're in my head? You're leaving the thread because you realise how overboard you and the groupies are in your over exaggeration of what a rip off LF site is. Go back and read your groupies' posts. Every 5 or 6 word is an F word, or in any post where someone expresses surprise/shock at groupies' money whining, they receive a personal insult, are riduculed or receive the purple aid icon. When people have to to resort to name calling, you know who's won the game. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Vendetta1 said: Bohemian67 said: Not going anywhere just want to know what the $77 could have been spent on by others that would have been comparable/better/or worse to LF. Personally, the money spent for the annual subscription could have been wittered away on many other things. A few for example, Cds/dvds that I might still have in a cupboard, a dinner out, nice but lost and gone forever, clothing that I might or might not wear in the future/ a weekend day trip to a dolphinarium/zoo , a bottle of perfume which would be finished by now, a theatre production, 4.5 movies at the cinema, a shiatsu massage and coffee and cake after (for one). What did I expect for the $77? I didn't have any expectations. What did I get? A lot of video material I'd never seen before which I prefer to watch than own buy because once seen a few times it goes into the cupboard. Sure I'd like to have the audio. I have LF and the lyrics online are larger than a cd booklet, easier to read & soon in memory. I wouldn't have worn the t-shirt but joined late so wasn't entitled to one. The tickets heads up to the smaller venue in Paris, were close to home albeit not home. I don't expect free tickets. The MPLS peeps got cheap tickets via the site for the last bash of the year good for them. There have been previously written excellent posts about the breakdown of costs for what LF provided proving a reasonable price. That the site videos don't load instantaneously or that the updates are infrequent I agree, but that's it's so worthless as to warrant such irrational comments about extravagant costs and no content, sorry I don't think so. [Edited 3/9/10 2:01am] Who are you to say if someone got their money's worth or not? What difference does it make what else people could have frittered their money away on? You worm out of the disagreement using only profanity. Must I stoop to your level so that you understand Vendetta? You ask, "Who am I to say if someone got there money's worth or not" coz you think I'm talking nonsense, or in your language "bullshit." Ok Vendetta. May I ask who you think YOU ARE to tell QuietSeven to "stop talking stupid bullshit," because you experience it that way? I quote part of your response. "And can we please stop that stupid esoteric "something big is coming i know it because i can feel it" bullshit? Thanks" So, you feel you can ask/tell people what to say or what not to say because YOU feel it's "bullshit" but if YOU want to say something is "bullshit" then that's OK????? Seems to me that you have an inflated ego and double standards. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Vendetta1 said: "And can we please stop that stupid esoteric "something big is coming i know it because i can feel it" bullshit? Thanks" That was me, not Vendetta1.
I think this thread deserves an eternal sticky, as a monument to some Prince's fans' slave-morality.  [Edited 3/9/10 13:27pm] | |
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