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Getting back on topic. Yes there probably will be some perceived snobbery (not sure about bullying being the correct term  ).
Some of us will join this new "club". We may get exclusive content that then becomes unavailable officially. We may then post about it. Those that didn't join may get a bit jealous. Others might think it was a load of old poo and post that they are still glad they did not waste their money on some rip-off website. Some of those that join will be disappointed. Some will think it is the best site they have ever seen and well worth the money. Some will goad others and gloat, some will take the bait. Some may bicker, gripe, insult, enthuse, drool, discuss, critique, moan, laugh and joke.about all of it. So you either join or you don't based on either being able to comfortably afford it or at least being able to justify spending that amount of money. As long as you can still pay your bills no one gets hurt. Just go into it with your eyes wide open rather than eyes wide shut. We know the price and know realistically what to expect even if we do not know the minutiae of detials. Prince has made no guarantees (such as a world tour for example). It could be that the US members get the best of the deal this time. Non-US fans (I am one) have no excuses, your arm is not being twisted. Prince is not doing anything for you personally, or against you personally. He makes his music, sets a price, and puts it out there. The rest us up to us. Just somewhere in the middle,
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Shorty said: Rorywan said: Prince, Croke Park. Huge gig, following 21 Nights in london. 50K+ tickets sold. 50K+ upset fans. No apology. I didn't bring this up in this thread by the way, before I'm jumped on! Yes I know it was last summer, yes I know a lot of people were hurt... But as PEJ says Boohoo! to all of you??!! Nice..  you are not answering my question. was the Croke park gig a solo prince concert or a music festival type thing with lots of other acts? YES, it was a solo stadium gig. ! Have you not heard about it on the org? "My God it's full of Stars"
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Rorywan said: Shorty said: you are not answering my question. was the Croke park gig a solo prince concert or a music festival type thing with lots of other acts? YES, it was a solo stadium gig. ! Have you not heard about it on the org? ok thank you. I'd heard about it...but never really got into the details. with a name like croke park I thought it was a music festival with lots of other acts. "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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TheDancer said: xlr8r said: It means" you are clearly acting overly upset and need to rest. Look at what, and more importantly, "how" you typed your comments. It has nothing to do with this so called "snobbery." "Acting overly upset", you are the one who needs some rest my friend, as you seem quite delusional.Some 50,000 fans were left high and dry in Ireland without so much as an explanation from Prince. That is a fact, not an over reaction.Before we part with more hard earned money for membership to this website, as fans we deserve better and that is my observation. Gosh, get over it already. At least you guys got notice that it was cancelled, unlike years ago in L.A. when we didn't find out until pulling into the parking lot. Was it disappointing? Hell yeah! But I accepted that shit happens, flipped off his tour bus (which I thought was empty but had the band in it...  ) moved the fuck on and had a blast at the next show I went to. | |
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Shorty said: Rorywan said: YES, it was a solo stadium gig. ! Have you not heard about it on the org? ok thank you. I'd heard about it...but never really got into the details. with a name like croke park I thought it was a music festival with lots of other acts. nah, it is a big sports stadium, it is too big for gigs anyway.. peace "My God it's full of Stars"
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KeithyT said: Getting back on topic. Yes there probably will be some perceived snobbery (not sure about bullying being the correct term
).
Some of us will join this new "club". We may get exclusive content that then becomes unavailable officially. We may then post about it. Those that didn't join may get a bit jealous. Others might think it was a load of old poo and post that they are still glad they did not waste their money on some rip-off website. Some of those that join will be disappointed. Some will think it is the best site they have ever seen and well worth the money. Some will goad others and gloat, some will take the bait. Some may bicker, gripe, insult, enthuse, drool, discuss, critique, moan, laugh and joke.about all of it. So you either join or you don't based on either being able to comfortably afford it or at least being able to justify spending that amount of money. As long as you can still pay your bills no one gets hurt. Just go into it with your eyes wide open rather than eyes wide shut. We know the price and know realistically what to expect even if we do not know the minutiae of detials. Prince has made no guarantees (such as a world tour for example). It could be that the US members get the best of the deal this time. Non-US fans (I am one) have no excuses, your arm is not being twisted. Prince is not doing anything for you personally, or against you personally. He makes his music, sets a price, and puts it out there. The rest us up to us. I have a feeling all hell will break lose next week. I love it, I hate it, I love you, i hate you, I hate the org, I love the org.. etc etc... "My God it's full of Stars"
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An explaination here (prince.org) and on HQ why Croke Park was cancelled
Link: http://74.125.77.132/sear...clnk&gl=uk Scroll 2 the member invaderjon post (Reply #355 posted 06/16/08 2:54am) Link: http://prince.org/msg/12/272982?&pg=12 An agency were booked to liaise with local promoters and dates were tentatively lined up, however it turns out there was a scheduling conflict between the two agents who book events for Prince and he could not commit to the tour and asked sales to stop.
Whilst the promoters for Milan, Denmark and Holland respected that request, it seems that the local promoter in Dublin, MCD, went ahead and put tickets on sale in the hope that this could force Prince's hand into playing the gig. Prince subsequently was faced with another commitment and again requested that Dublin be taken off sale. In fact once it was known that the tour was not going ahead, we ourselves sent some pretty blunt messages to NPG base camp pointing out what was best for the fans. It should be made clear that Prince himself took a great deal of interest in stopping sales, however we were informed that MCD did not take this step.Once it became very clear that the whole Dublin situation was a mess, Prince tried to look at moving things around in order to save the date, however it proved logistically impossible.
More links: http://www.rte.ie/arts/20...rince.html http://www.examiner.ie/st...eygb/rss2/ From the examiner: While no written contract existed, MCD say this email made it "abundantly clear" a contract was entered into
MCD said that all the tickets were refunded.
All anyone else can do is speculate - Only those that where involved knows the truth... All i know is I received a refund at the time very easily and if memory serves me right others did as well. Concerts cancel for whatever reasons they are outside our control. I personally see no point harping on about it especially when we don’t know the larger picture at who exactly is to blame. In every day life I find if I expect too much I always get disappointed so I will patiently wait to see what the new rollercoaster is like with no expectations. . [Edited 3/23/09 9:42am] | |
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TypoQueen said: An explaination here and on HQ and prince.org why Croke Park was cancelled
Thanks for posting that info. I thought I remembered reading it was the promoter's fault and that HQ was pretty much was telling people it wouldn't be happening. | |
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Mcd are sueing prince as we speak. Yeah read all that old stuff on HQ, they were wrong about a lot of it, right about some of it. Anyway back to the thread topic for fear of lynching!
So.. What about that Lotusflow3r bully problem? [Edited 3/23/09 9:50am] "My God it's full of Stars"
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Genesia said: I don't know if it'll be considered bullying, but I'll be doing a lot of this -->
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It shouldn't be considered "bullying" or "snobbery" if fans are happy to be a part of something that their favorite artist is doing. If it's a direct case of one fan or fans going after someone for not joining, then that makes sense but to assusme that that's going to happen is silly. No one knows what'll happen tomorrow until tomorrow gets here but hopefully that won't happen. I'm not going to rub it in after I join tomorrow night cause it's wrong.
With that said, the same kind of "snobbery" and "bullying" can happen with fans who don't join once they find out that there isn't as much content as they think there should be. They could easily point fingers and say "Y'all got robbed  " or say "suckers". It's a 2-way street with this subject IMHO.I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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TypoQueen said: An explaination here (prince.org) and on HQ why Croke Park was cancelled
Link: http://74.125.77.132/sear...clnk&gl=uk Scroll 2 the member invaderjon post (Reply #355 posted 06/16/08 2:54am) Link: http://prince.org/msg/12/272982?&pg=12 An agency were booked to liaise with local promoters and dates were tentatively lined up, however it turns out there was a scheduling conflict between the two agents who book events for Prince and he could not commit to the tour and asked sales to stop.
Whilst the promoters for Milan, Denmark and Holland respected that request, it seems that the local promoter in Dublin, MCD, went ahead and put tickets on sale in the hope that this could force Prince's hand into playing the gig. MCD said that all the tickets were refunded.
All anyone else can do is speculate - Only those that where involved knows the truth... All i know is I received a refund at the time very easily and if memory serves me right others did as well. Concerts cancel for whatever reasons they are outside our control. I personally see no point harping on about it especially when we don’t know the larger picture at who exactly is to blame. In every day life I find if I expect too much I always get disappointed so I will patiently wait to see what the new rollercoaster is like with no expectations. . [Edited 3/23/09 9:42am] this is y i luv u 4 points u make that r clear as day but yet some refuse 2 c the daylight  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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onecrush said: If memory serves me, you could buy up to a max of 2 but you had take photo ID, credit card you used to pay for tkts etc, show up on the night and then and only then would you get your tkts. You then had to go straight in and grab your seat.
I personally loved these benefits and would love it if the lotusflower site replicates this type of thing. It was also a bonus not to have to pay rip off Ticketmaster fees. I think you could only get 2 as well. You picked up your tix at the venue the same way you would if you used Ticket Master, with ID and CC you used to purchase. I didn't have to go right into the show when I got my tix, I believe they were available day of and you didn't have a clue where you were sitting until you got them. Indecision may or may not be a problem | |
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Rorywan said: Shorty said: so it was a Prince gig....with no other acts? well...you certainly aren't wishing Good karma gets him? right? Prince, Croke Park. Huge gig, following 21 Nights in london. 50K+ tickets sold. 50K+ upset fans. No apology. I didn't bring this up in this thread by the way, before I'm jumped on! Yes I know it was last summer, yes I know a lot of people were hurt... But as PEJ says Boohoo! to all of you??!! Nice.. [Bait snip - luv4u] To Sir, with Love | |
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Rorywan said: PEJ said: they told you to go to bed, three words, you call them a bully then you post all this. and boo hoo about them 50,000 fans. all of them got dogged and you're the last one up in here on a Prince site complainin that you deserve an explanation :worlds,smallest,violin: "boohoo about those 50,000 fans"? I'm speechless for once. What a truely unpleasant person. Can't believe you just said that on Prince.org. Do u realize how many international orgers lost a lot of money on that? Disgusting. Hope karma gets you.  Karma got me a long time ago. Prince cancelled an LA show at the last minute and I got over it in a day. here's what you said on the other thread Rorywan If you don't like a post I make don't comment, or address me personally. I wasn't speaking to you. Bully tactics are a real sign of insecurity now read what you said above , take your own adviceTo Sir, with Love | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: HatrinaHaterwitz said:  want some  ?   Oh yes...pass it on!
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Serena said: TheDancer said: "Acting overly upset", you are the one who needs some rest my friend, as you seem quite delusional.Some 50,000 fans were left high and dry in Ireland without so much as an explanation from Prince. That is a fact, not an over reaction.Before we part with more hard earned money for membership to this website, as fans we deserve better and that is my observation. Gosh, get over it already. At least you guys got notice that it was cancelled, unlike years ago in L.A. when we didn't find out until pulling into the parking lot. Was it disappointing? Hell yeah! But I accepted that shit happens, flipped off his tour bus (which I thought was empty but had the band in it... ) moved the fuck on and had a blast at the next show I went to.just read this. yet another person that was going to that cancelled LA concert and got over it. @ flipping off the tour busTo Sir, with Love | |
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Shorty said: Rorywan said: One off gig in Dublin. 50K+ tickets sold last summer. canceled with no warning or apology. I live in dublin so it wasn't huge for me. But thousands of fans had booked flights accomodation etc. to say what Pej said is just plain nasty. talk about showing true colours. And I didn't wish bad karma on someone, I said I hope karma gets them, that works both ways. You do something wrong, then karma follows. Unbelievable. Don't ever visit ireland PEJ. 
[Edited 3/23/09 7:53am] so it was a Prince gig....with no other acts? well...you certainly aren't wishing Good karma gets him? right?
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PEJ said:[quote] Rorywan said: Karma got me a long time ago. Prince cancelled an LA show at the last minute and I got over it in a day. here's what you said on the other thread Rorywan If you don't like a post I make don't comment, or address me personally. I wasn't speaking to you. Bully tactics are a real sign of insecurity now read what you said above , take your own adviceonly one word comes to mind...tit. You addressed ME personally. got a crush?! [Edited 3/23/09 16:29pm] "My God it's full of Stars"
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[Snip - luv4u] To Sir, with Love | |
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[Snip & name calling snip - luv4u] "My God it's full of Stars"
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Rorywan said: [Snip - luv4u]
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PEJ said: Rorywan said: [Snip & name calling snip - luv4u]
[Snip - luv4u] [Snip - luv4u] "My God it's full of Stars"
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[Bait - luv4u] "My God it's full of Stars"
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PEJ - the difference is that he has played Ireland once since 1995. And he's doing 6 gigs next week in LA - so you could forgive the odd cancelled show. We're not so lucky. | |
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PopeLeo said: PEJ - the difference is that he has played Ireland once since 1995. And he's doing 6 gigs next week in LA - so you could forgive the odd cancelled show. We're not so lucky.
I'm sure Prince wanted to play that show with all of his heart and I'm sure he will play there again one day. When it comes to promoters and legalities I can understand why he couldn't make a public statement. If people got their money refunded then they should be happy and not complain but if they didn't then don't support the artist that jacked you ever again! To Sir, with Love | |
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