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Reply #30 posted 10/12/02 9:33am

Mr7

XxAxX said:

If you had a brain cell it would die in loneliness.



that would be "die OF loneliness", oh great, brainy genius one[/quote]


I think you'll find that both 'in' and 'of' are appropriate. But hey, what would I know I'm only an English Literature Degree student?

[Snip. Flame removed. Address the points, instead of criticising individuals please. Ian]

I'm not suggesting that 'anything' for $100 is appropriate. However, it is only $100. That is about £65 english pounds. By UK prices that adds up to about 4 CD's. As an annual membership fee it is meagre. I'm sure that by Febuary we will have our full quota of CD's. But seriously, what do you expect for $100? A personal visit from Prince and a birthday card? It is YOU who is the 'FAMatic' for expecting any more.

NPGMC members get priority seating, soundchecks, after-parties and a minimum of 4 CD's a year. Up until now NPGMC has been delivering as promised. I certainly enjoyed the perks of the membership at all 3 London shows and the aftershow and afterparties.

Lastly, if you don't like it, don't join next year. Nobody will miss you.
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Reply #31 posted 10/14/02 5:23am

XxAxX

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i'm glad to know you are far away, as in london wink i'll rest easier knowing a nut like you is removed from me to the tune of a continent

Mr7. when i post on prince.org i do so to express my own ideas and opinions, not to judge others' ideas and opinions and to appoint myself the 'grand poobah' of what should and shouldn't be said. i'm interested in different viewpoints. and unlike you i do not spend time here criticizing other people's posts and telling them they should shut up. nor do i go out of my way to send insulting or threatening ORGnotes to the prince.org members i disagree with.

you do these things, though, and imo you cross the line with this behavior.

this forum was created for the express purpose of providing members with a place to air their feelings about the NPGMC. have you read some of the posts here? any of them?
if you have, (and you were paying attention), you will see that i am NOT the only NPGMC premium member who is dissatisfied with the club this year.
we are MANY. and with good reason.

we have, over eight months, received ONE CD about 40 minutes in length, composed in part of songs we already bought last year. granted, it's a nice little effort, but hardly fulfills prince's promises of bringing us the 'jelly'.

not only have we not received music in return for our pre-payments, but (and this is my MAIN point) the NPGMC is so poorly operated and run that it cannot/will not even give members information about what we can expect to receive and when we might expect to receive it.

this is very, very bad business practice. obviously.

for you to attack me because i won't unquestioningly support prince's club is insane. my observations are legitimate, and reflect opinions shared by other members. your attempt to silence me through insults and attacks will not succeed. people like you, who believe that prince can do no wrong, who tell people like me that we should shut up and take whatever comes our way without question, are ultimately more harmful than helpful to prince's cause.

prince needs to hear what people are saying. he needs to respond to our concerns. not only would that be good business practice, it would be common courtesy.

as to whether or not i'll rejoin, that, along with everything else, is not something i'll take your advice on.
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Reply #32 posted 10/14/02 6:56am

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mr7 said: I'm sure that by Febuary we will have our full quota of CD's.

well, according to the npgmc site, we only have until the end of december to get our stuff: "All 2002 memberships will end at the end of 2002."

some of you prince freaks seem to keep clinging to this idea that "we have until the end of february!!" NOT TRUE. one of the only pieces of info the club actually offers on its site says that the memberships end in december...which means that we have slightly over 2 months left...

...so anyone who thinks that we're gonna receive anything EXCEPT the 3-cd ONA live disc...you'd think that someone at the club would actually KNOW what we're gonna get, right? i'd wager my bootlegs that we're not getting anything else...
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Reply #33 posted 10/14/02 10:21am

Mr7

Ok, I'll address these accusations and that will be my last word on the subject. You are boring me into submission now and I don't wish to give you anymore kicks by paying attention to you.

However, you have made several untrue statements in your post and in the interests of a balanced argument I feel the need to respond.


XxAxX said:

i'm glad to know you are far away, as in london wink i'll rest easier knowing a nut like you is removed from me to the tune of a continent

Ditto. The feelings mutual.

Mr7. when i post on prince.org i do so to express my own ideas and opinions,

I too, express my own opinions and thoughts on the org. That's what I've been doing. I do not feel any pressure to be 'negative' about the NPGMC, because that has not been my experience. You'll notice that I was very critical about the queue line arrangements for the London shows. I'm just being honest.

not to judge others' ideas and opinions and to appoint myself the 'grand poobah' of what should and shouldn't be said.

Scroll up the thread and check some others. You consistently judge my ideas. I've never appointed myself 'grand poobah'. I see many of the points you complain about in your own behaviour.

i'm interested in different viewpoints.

Clearly you are not, otherwise you wouldn't have labeled me a 'nut' for mine.

and unlike you i do not spend time here criticizing other people's posts and telling them they should shut up. nor do i go out of my way to send insulting or threatening ORGnotes to the prince.org members i disagree with.

I have not 'threatened' anyone least of all you via org note. If I have offer the proof, rather than conjecture. Furthermore I have personally seen an org note that you sent to another orger calling her 'a bitch'. Once again you prove hypocritical.

you do these things, though, and imo you cross the line with this behavior.

this forum was created for the express purpose of providing members with a place to air their feelings about the NPGMC.

I agree. I'm 'airing' mine they just happen to be positive.

have you read some of the posts here? any of them?
if you have, (and you were paying attention), you will see that i am NOT the only NPGMC premium member who is dissatisfied with the club this year.
we are MANY. and with good reason.

There are also MANY who are satisfied. Not every NPGMC member is joined to this site.

we have, over eight months, received ONE CD about 40 minutes in length, composed in part of songs we already bought last year. granted, it's a nice little effort, but hardly fulfills prince's promises of bringing us the 'jelly'.

I've never disagreed with you on this point. I'm anticipating further CD's.

not only have we not received music in return for our pre-payments, but (and this is my MAIN point) the NPGMC is so poorly operated and run that it cannot/will not even give members information about what we can expect to receive and when we might expect to receive it.

this is very, very bad business practice. obviously.

for you to attack me because i won't unquestioningly support prince's club is insane. my observations are legitimate, and reflect opinions shared by other members.

I never said they were not. However, my poinions are just as legitimate.

your attempt to silence me through insults and attacks will not succeed.

I would never attempt to 'silence' anyone. In responding I've intentionally furthered the debate.

people like you, who believe that prince can do no wrong, who tell people like me that we should shut up and take whatever comes our way without question, are ultimately more harmful than helpful to prince's cause.

prince needs to hear what people are saying. he needs to respond to our concerns. not only would that be good business practice, it would be common courtesy.

I'm sure Prince does need to 'hear'. But that does not relate to me, nor the topic. The easiest way of letting Prince know is to E-mail NPGMC surely?

as to whether or not i'll rejoin, that, along with everything else, is not something i'll take your advice on.


Nor would I expect you to.
[This message was edited Mon Oct 14 10:23:08 PDT 2002 by Mr7]
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Reply #34 posted 10/14/02 10:37am

ZaZa

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...so anyone who thinks that we're gonna receive anything EXCEPT the 3-cd ONA live disc...i'd wager my bootlegs that we're not getting anything else...


That is a bet I would not take since I think you would win.
Better to smell the coffee now then at the end of December.
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Reply #35 posted 10/14/02 11:05am

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Mr7, you contradict yourself in words and actions.

i do not get kicks from the 'attention' you pay me. i have already expressed a desire for you to leave me alone

-please do so~!

and as for [other user's] Orgnote yeah i called her a bitch after she sent me [a] note. i believe she deserved it

i have blocked her, SensualMelody and you from ORGnoting me again. hopefully, this will work. unless and until, of course, y'all use another screenname to harass me
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Reply #36 posted 10/14/02 11:31am

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ps: give me a bit of time to retrieve your replies to my previous comments on teh topic of larry graham, among other things and i will prove my point that you do, indeed, tell others what *not* to say
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Reply #37 posted 10/14/02 12:07pm

Mr7

You request that I leave you alone and then you continue to pursue me. Rest assured that I have blocked you from org noting me.

As I aforementioned I will write nothing more on the subject. Your statements are full of hypocriscy and contradiction. They speak for themselves.

Despite the reasonableness of my response to your accussations, you seem hell-bent on taking a personal problem onto a public forum. This is not a productive or stimulating debate for anyone.

I'm quite happt to agree to disagree, but clearly you are not. Yet you claim it is me who tells others what to think and who disrespects other peoples opinions.

Your post above looks strangely like harassment for someone who is complaining of such treatment.

You need to understand that people will treat you in the manner in which you treat them.




[This message was edited Mon Oct 14 12:08:17 PDT 2002 by Mr7]
[This message was edited Mon Oct 14 12:11:05 PDT 2002 by Mr7]
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Reply #38 posted 10/14/02 2:27pm

XxAxX

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heheheHAHAHA!!!

damn. suddenly strikes me as funny!

CHALLENGES MR7 TO AN ARM WRESTLING MATCH!!!
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Reply #39 posted 10/14/02 2:32pm

XxAxX

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ps:

did not!

did TOO!

did not!

DID TOO!


:p
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Reply #40 posted 10/14/02 2:48pm

XxAxX

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pps: YO MOMMA!
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Reply #41 posted 10/14/02 4:55pm

Geeman

After 18 concerts, I finally got into my first aftershow in Dublin. At the end I was standing by Mani and managed to shake hands with His Nibs.

Seems I will be renewing next year, the crafty sonofa stole my wallet.
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Reply #42 posted 10/15/02 4:15am

mediadarling

My decision to renew will be made at the end of this year & no sooner. I will not renew if:

1) ONA Live is the last club release for this year. People were led to believe they would receive 4 CDs for their 2002 membership. Not one CD & a 3 CD set. 4 albums. What makes it worse is that at least one of these albums will be made available to the general consumer. So for those members who did not get to see Prince on tour & pay another $150 to stand in line for hours & see a soundcheck/aftershow, sometimes after spending even more money, those who did not get the chance to spend $30 on a program or $40 on a t-shirt, they basically paid $100 to get barely half an hour of "new" music on the ONA demo CD - half of which they downloaded last year.

2) I will also not renew without a pledge fro the music club to improve their means of communication with the membership. I would never expect them to do something as innovative like write in coherent English, but simple updates & moderately clear information would be sweet.
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Reply #43 posted 10/15/02 10:07am

Mr7

I am indeed mistaken, the membership does expire at the end of 2002.

Lets all hope that the NPGMC version of the 'ONA ... Live' set contains more than 3 CD's.
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Reply #44 posted 10/15/02 1:27pm

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Something tells me the npgmc will lose quite a few members this coming Feb 2003. I, too, won't decide until then as i think it's only fair to wait the full year--but at the rate the npgmc is going, it doesn't look very good.

Sad thing is, i'm betting a lot of fans have written them about their time lapse and lack of communication and nothing will be done about it.
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Reply #45 posted 10/17/02 4:41am

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If they offer some exlusieve CD's or DVD's (like 4 or more) again music ,(it does not really matter what's on these cd's -> Live stuff, outtakes, remixes, ect,ect)yes I'll B willing 2 become a member again in 2003, but if NPGMC starts with providing mp3 music or mpeg movies I'm not really intressed, because I will need 2 have a very good internet connection like ASDL, and I think these connections are still quite expensive in Holland. crash
It ain't oveR
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Reply #46 posted 10/17/02 12:30pm

Heero

Next year??? yeah I must renewl. Someone can say why?
I have 2 go at the celebration next year, and the only way 2 be there is join the club!

But if I didn't have the possibility 2 go in mpls again I surely won't renew this year.

This is the point: year 1. the only good thing was "trc", question: how many of u are listening 2 the ahdio's now??

year 2. the first cd was already on the year one (last edidion) and "pearls before the swine" was included in the september ahdio show. If we get ona live, the problem is why I have 2 pay much more 4 those cd when I can find them within a month or 2 in the stores???
Just like "trc".

But the only way 2 get at the celebration is join the club!!!
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