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Reply #120 posted 07/09/06 9:45am

Synergy

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Well from all the legal papers I have uncovered 2day, THIS IS NOT GOOD at ALL.

They have sued twice 2 make Prince stop using NPG RECORDS... and they keep suing over NPGMC. They will just keep doing it over and over.

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Reply #121 posted 07/09/06 9:49am

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ian said:

I'm not sure... why any of you care about this. It isn't our business, or our problem. Unless someone with real insight into the minefield that is US copyright law can shed some light on the subject, I suggest it isn't worth worrying over. The NPG name has had its day anyway IMO; a change would be nice.

If the NPG Music Club needs to be re-named for legal reasons, it'll take some time to re-brand and re-launch the site. It'd be a pretty large task to do that, which is a likely explanation for the current downtime.

Sit tight. Prince needs a website to run his business - you can bet that they'll get back online in due course. In the meantime, go read a book or get some fresh air!

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Reply #122 posted 07/09/06 10:04am

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OMFG!!!!! You all are NOT going to beleive this, but I used to work for the law firm Tarolli, Sundheim & Covell, and that is not a lie. I really did during the late 80's early 90's. Damn, this is unbelievable in that Prince would lose due to a trademark fight and that the law firm involved was one where I was employed at one time. Unfuckingbelievable!!!!
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Reply #123 posted 07/09/06 10:22am

Snap

I didn't know Prince was so attached to the NPG. The first time I remember it being abbreviated and stylized was on the walls of the bedroom in the "Interactive" CD-ROM game -- when was that, 1993? I doubt Nature Publishing Group uses the same stylization for their NPG trademark. Anyway, hard to believe that people can own abbreviations when there are so few letters in the alphabet. I mean, look at how many businesses go by the name AAA or ABC just so they can have top billing in the phone book. Why couldn't Prince do what he did on the cover of the 1991 "Gett Off" 12-inch single and spell it out, making NPG larger than the rest of the letters? If Nature Publishing Group were smart, they'd wait until the NPG was a real threat to them and then sue Prince for possible lost monies. Not that I agree with that, but I don't understand why they're picking on him now.

I don't know... New Power Generation meant something much different back in '88 anyways. He probably should drop it. He's a creative guy. He can come up with something else. "Maybe God is tryin' to tell ya something!"
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Reply #124 posted 07/09/06 11:07am

laurarichardso
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sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.



falloff

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

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Maybe he was advised to do so by his lawyers. You guys always find something to bitch about and seem to think that P does not have lawyers. Besides the notice said the shut down was temporary.
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Reply #125 posted 07/09/06 11:12am

softandwet

Perhaps people who are confused should check out the thread on the HQ. It seems less muddled than this thread!

Basically all it is is that the Nature Publishing Group want to stop Prince 'selling books' which they believe would infringe on their 'NPG' and possibly confuse people into believing princes NPG was in fact the Nature Publishing Group. Hence why he can still sell NPG music, clothes and gear. Any lawsuit against NPG Records would flop entirely I'm sure and I thought they'd pulled out of that one anyway.

As for why the site has closed down, well maybe he just decided to close it down after that and was thinking about a change anyway? Who knows! I doubt we'll fully find out I suppose.
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Reply #126 posted 07/09/06 11:14am

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laurarichardson said:

sosgemini said:




falloff

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

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Maybe he was advised to do so by his lawyers. You guys always find something to bitch about and seem to think that P does not have lawyers. Besides the notice said the shut down was temporary.



and you don't? falloff

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Reply #127 posted 07/09/06 11:16am

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softandwet said:


Basically all it is is that the Nature Publishing Group want to stop Prince 'selling books' which they believe would infringe on their 'NPG' and possibly confuse people into believing princes NPG was in fact the Nature Publishing Group. Hence why he can still sell NPG music, clothes and gear. Any lawsuit against NPG Records would flop entirely I'm sure and I thought they'd pulled out of that one anyway.

As for why the site has closed down, well maybe he just decided to close it down after that and was thinking about a change anyway? Who knows! I doubt we'll fully find out I suppose.



i agree...
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Reply #128 posted 07/09/06 11:44am

radici27

The question for me is: since the npgmc has been around for years, why is this suit being filed now?
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Reply #129 posted 07/09/06 12:28pm

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This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals. lol

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)? biggrin
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Reply #130 posted 07/09/06 12:31pm

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What is a trademark or a servicemark?

A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name.
A service mark is simply a trademark used to refer to services rather than products. The term "trademark" is often used to refer to both service marks and trademarks for goods.


What are common law rights?

Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark. Generally, the first to either use a mark in commerce or file an intent to use application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has the ultimate right to use and registration. However, there are many exceptions to this general rule.

Must a trademark be registered?

No. However, federal registration has several advantages including notice to the public of the registrant's claim of ownership of the mark, a legal presumption of ownership nationwide, and the exclusive right to use the mark on or in connection with the goods or services set forth in the registration.

Source: http://www.tarolli.com/faq.htm (the firm that is suing Prince)

Common Law Rights - Property or other legal rights that do not absolutely require formal registration in order to enforce them. Proving such rights for a trademark in court can be very difficult, requires meticulous documentation, and places a heavy burden on the individual. Active Federal registration of trademark can provide a higher degree of legal protection and readily-demonstrated evidence of ownership of a mark.

Source: http://www.uspto.gov/main...dex.html#c


HERE ARE ALL THE MOTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED SO FAR:


TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System



Summary
Query: Party Name contains all words: PAISLEY PARK ENTERPRISES, INC.
Number of results: 4
Proceeding
Filing Date
Defendant(s),
Property(ies)
Plaintiff(s),
Property(ies)

91171672
07/03/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586515
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586548

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED


78576551
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG RECORDS S#:78576551

HM Publishers Holdings Limited


78586548
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586548

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED


78586515
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586515

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED





Results as of 07/09/2006 12:30 PM





TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System




Extension of Time
Number: 78586515 Filing Date: 01/30/2006
Status: Terminated Status Date: 07/03/2006
Opposition #:
Defendant
Name: Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Correspondence: DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
Serial #: 78586515

Application Status: Opposition Pending
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB
Potential Opposer
Name: HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED

Correspondence: GARY J PITZER
TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREETSUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44114
gpitzer@tarolli.com
Granted To Date: 07/02/2006
Prosecution History
# Date History Text
4
05/03/2006 EXTENSION OF TIME GRANTED

3
05/03/2006 INCOMING - EXT TIME TO OPPOSE FILED

2
01/30/2006 EXTENSION OF TIME GRANTED

1
01/30/2006 INCOMING - EXT TIME TO OPPOSE FILED

Results as of 07/09/2006 11:54 AM Search:





TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System




Extension of Time
Number: 78576551 Filing Date: 01/30/2006
Status: Terminated Status Date: 06/09/2006
Opposition #:
Defendant
Name: Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Correspondence: DAVID G SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402
Serial #: 78576551

Application Status: Published For Opposition
Mark: NPG RECORDS
Potential Opposer
Name: HM Publishers Holdings Limited

Correspondence: GARY J. PITZER
TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREET, SUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44114
gpitzer@tarolli.com
Granted To Date: 05/24/2006
Prosecution History
# Date History Text
2
01/30/2006 EXTENSION OF TIME GRANTED

1
01/30/2006 INCOMING - EXT TIME TO OPPOSE FILED

Results as of 07/09/2006 12:11 PM





TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System




Opposition
Number: 91171672 Filing Date: 07/03/2006
Status: Pending Status Date: 07/03/2006
Interlocutory Attorney: CINDY B GREENBAUM

Defendant
Name: Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Correspondence: DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
Serial #: 78586515

Application Status: Opposition Pending
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB
Serial #: 78586548

Application Status: Opposition Pending
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB
Plaintiff
Name: HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED

Correspondence: Gary J. Pitzer
TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREET SUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44147
gpitzer@tarolli.com
Prosecution History
# Date History Text Due Date
3 07/03/2006 PENDING, INSTITUTED
2
07/03/2006 NOTICE AND TRIAL DATES SENT; ANSWER DUE:
08/12/2006
1
07/03/2006 FILED AND FEE

Results as of 07/09/2006 12:16 PM








Thank you for your request. Here are the latest results from the TARR web server.
This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-07-09 12:30:42 ET

Serial Number: 78576551 Assignment Information

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): NPG RECORDS

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: Application has been published for opposition.

Date of Status: 2006-06-16

Filing Date: 2005-02-28

The Information will be/was published in the Official Gazette on 2006-01-24

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 106

Attorney Assigned:
SALEMI DOMINICK J Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2006-06-16

LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Address:
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
7801 Audubon Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
United States
Legal Entity Type: Corporation
State or Country of Incorporation: Minnesota

GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 009
Class Status: Active
sound recordings, namely records, tapes, cds, and downloadable computer audio files of vocal and musical performances; video recordings, namely vhs cassettes, dvds and downloadable computer video files of vocal and musical performances
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 1997-12-31
First Use in Commerce Date: 1997-12-31

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: "records"

MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)

PROSECUTION HISTORY

2006-06-09 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Process - Terminated

2006-01-30 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Received

2006-01-24 - Published for opposition

2006-01-04 - Notice of publication

2005-12-13 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-11-24 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-11-03 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2005-10-31 - Communication received from applicant

2005-11-03 - Assigned To LIE

2005-10-31 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2005-09-21 - Non-final action e-mailed

2005-09-21 - Non-Final Action Written

2005-09-21 - Assigned To Examiner

2005-03-07 - New Application Entered In Tram

CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
DAVID G SCHELZEL (Attorney of record)

DAVID G SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST 4000
MINNEAPOLIS MN 55402

Phone Number: 612-339-7121




Thank you for your request. Here are the latest results from the TARR web server.
This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-07-09 12:31:59 ET

Serial Number: 78586515 Assignment Information

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): NPG MUSIC CLUB

Standard Character claim: Yes

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Date of Status: 2006-07-03

Filing Date: 2005-03-14

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 103

Attorney Assigned:
CATALDO CAROLYN PENDLETON Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-11-21

LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Address:
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
7801 Audubon Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
United States
Legal Entity Type: Corporation
State or Country of Incorporation: Minnesota

GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 035
Class Status: Active
online retail store services featuring clothing, jewelry, wearable accessories, posters, concert programs, books, music recordings, video recordings, and related merchandise; promoting the sale of goods and services of others through the distribution of information online and promotional contests
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

International Class: 041
Class Status: Active
providing online information in the field of music and entertainment
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: "MUSIC CLUB"

MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)

PROSECUTION HISTORY

2006-07-03 - Opposition instituted for Proceeding

2006-01-30 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Received

2006-01-03 - Published for opposition

2005-12-14 - Notice of publication

2005-11-12 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-11-10 - Assigned To LIE

2005-11-08 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-11-03 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2005-10-31 - Communication received from applicant

2005-10-31 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2005-09-30 - Non-final action e-mailed

2005-09-30 - Non-Final Action Written

2005-09-30 - Assigned To Examiner

2005-03-22 - TEAS Change Of Owner Address Received

2005-03-18 - New Application Entered In Tram

CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
David G. Schelzel (Attorney of record)

DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690




Thank you for your request. Here are the latest results from the TARR web server.
This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-07-09 12:32:56 ET

Serial Number: 78576551 Assignment Information

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): NPG RECORDS

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: Application has been published for opposition.

Date of Status: 2006-06-16

Filing Date: 2005-02-28

The Information will be/was published in the Official Gazette on 2006-01-24

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 106

Attorney Assigned:
SALEMI DOMINICK J Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2006-06-16

LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Address:
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
7801 Audubon Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
United States
Legal Entity Type: Corporation
State or Country of Incorporation: Minnesota

GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 009
Class Status: Active
sound recordings, namely records, tapes, cds, and downloadable computer audio files of vocal and musical performances; video recordings, namely vhs cassettes, dvds and downloadable computer video files of vocal and musical performances
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 1997-12-31
First Use in Commerce Date: 1997-12-31

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: "records"

MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)

PROSECUTION HISTORY

2006-06-09 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Process - Terminated

2006-01-30 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Received

2006-01-24 - Published for opposition

2006-01-04 - Notice of publication

2005-12-13 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-11-24 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-11-03 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2005-10-31 - Communication received from applicant

2005-11-03 - Assigned To LIE

2005-10-31 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2005-09-21 - Non-final action e-mailed

2005-09-21 - Non-Final Action Written

2005-09-21 - Assigned To Examiner

2005-03-07 - New Application Entered In Tram

CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
DAVID G SCHELZEL (Attorney of record)

DAVID G SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST 4000
MINNEAPOLIS MN 55402

Phone Number: 612-339-7121


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This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-07-09 12:35:20 ET

Serial Number: 78586548 Assignment Information

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): NPG MUSIC CLUB

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Date of Status: 2006-07-03

Filing Date: 2005-03-14

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 103

Attorney Assigned:
CATALDO CAROLYN PENDLETON Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-11-21

LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Address:
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
7801 Audubon Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
United States
Legal Entity Type: Corporation
State or Country of Incorporation: Minnesota

GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 035
Class Status: Active
online retail store services featuring clothing, jewelry, wearable accessories, posters, concert programs, books, music recordings, video recordings, and related merchandise; promoting the sale of goods and services of others through the distribution of information online and promotional contests
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

International Class: 041
Class Status: Active
providing online information in the field of music and entertainment
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: "MUSIC CLUB"

MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)

PROSECUTION HISTORY

2006-07-03 - Opposition instituted for Proceeding

2006-01-30 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Received

2006-01-03 - Published for opposition

2005-12-14 - Notice of publication

2005-11-12 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-11-10 - Assigned To LIE

2005-11-08 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-11-03 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2005-10-31 - Communication received from applicant

2005-10-31 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2005-09-30 - Non-final action e-mailed

2005-09-30 - Non-Final Action Written

2005-09-30 - Assigned To Examiner

2005-03-22 - TEAS Change Of Owner Address Received

2005-03-18 - New Application Entered In Tram

CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
David G. Schelzel (Attorney of record)

DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690

Phone Number: 612-339-7121


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This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-07-09 12:36:07 ET

Serial Number: 78586515 Assignment Information

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): NPG MUSIC CLUB

Standard Character claim: Yes

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Date of Status: 2006-07-03

Filing Date: 2005-03-14

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 103

Attorney Assigned:
CATALDO CAROLYN PENDLETON Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-11-21

LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Address:
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
7801 Audubon Road
Chanhassen, MN 55317
United States
Legal Entity Type: Corporation
State or Country of Incorporation: Minnesota

GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 035
Class Status: Active
online retail store services featuring clothing, jewelry, wearable accessories, posters, concert programs, books, music recordings, video recordings, and related merchandise; promoting the sale of goods and services of others through the distribution of information online and promotional contests
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

International Class: 041
Class Status: Active
providing online information in the field of music and entertainment
Basis: 1(a)
First Use Date: 2000-06-26
First Use in Commerce Date: 2001-02-14

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: "MUSIC CLUB"

MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)

PROSECUTION HISTORY

2006-07-03 - Opposition instituted for Proceeding

2006-01-30 - Extension Of Time To Oppose Received

2006-01-03 - Published for opposition

2005-12-14 - Notice of publication

2005-11-12 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-11-10 - Assigned To LIE

2005-11-08 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-11-03 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2005-10-31 - Communication received from applicant

2005-10-31 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2005-09-30 - Non-final action e-mailed

2005-09-30 - Non-Final Action Written

2005-09-30 - Assigned To Examiner

2005-03-22 - TEAS Change Of Owner Address Received

2005-03-18 - New Application Entered In Tram

CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
David G. Schelzel (Attorney of record)

DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
Angels, love and light,
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It Snowed April 21st, 2016 and My heart is irrevocably broken. I love you and miss you, Prince. Thank you for giving me so much. 🌹 RIP 💜
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Reply #131 posted 07/09/06 12:43pm

Synergy

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jone70 said:

This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals. lol

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)? biggrin



tour with what? The album was not produced under a "3121" label, it was produced under the label of "NPG RECORDS". He's supposed 2 do what exactly, tour with an album labeled with the letters that he cannot USE? Selling T-shirts and other crap with Initials 4 the club that he no longer has because he cant USE N-P-G on anything?

This affects ALL of Prince's ownership under NPG, if they win on the club, the record label will go next - because they, as the opposing counsel, will have set a precedent by winning a judgement in their favor with the club, Period. End of story.

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.
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Reply #132 posted 07/09/06 1:04pm

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jone70 said:

This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals. lol

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)? biggrin



tour with what? The album was not produced under a "3121" label, it was produced under the label of "NPG RECORDS". He's supposed 2 do what exactly, tour with an album labeled with the letters that he cannot USE? Selling T-shirts and other crap with Initials 4 the club that he no longer has because he cant USE N-P-G on anything?

This affects ALL of Prince's ownership under NPG, if they win on the club, the record label will go next - because they, as the opposing counsel, will have set a precedent by winning a judgement in their favor with the club, Period. End of story.

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.



Oh, God. Not ticketbastard, again....
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Reply #133 posted 07/09/06 1:11pm

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tour with what?


confuse Umm, tour with a band that plays and sings music from his vast repetoire of songs.

The album was not produced under a "3121" label, it was produced under the label of "NPG RECORDS". He's supposed 2 do what exactly, tour with an album labeled with the letters that he cannot USE? Selling T-shirts and other crap with Initials 4 the club that he no longer has because he cant USE N-P-G on anything?


He still plays songs that were produced under the WB label so how is this any different? I thought Nature Publishing/HM was more concerned about the perceived conflation of printed materials (e.g. books, etc) in peoples' minds. He wouldn't be selling tickets to a booksigning... And I couldn't care less about the T-shirts, souvenirs, etc. There's no rule that says he has to sell that stuff. (I don't buy that stuff anyway. I go to the concert for the music not the knick-knacks.)

This affects ALL of Prince's ownership under NPG, if they win on the club, the record label will go next - because they, as the opposing counsel, will have set a precedent by winning a judgement in their favor with the club, Period. End of story.


Does Universal's involvement with 3121 make any difference (e.g. it wasn't solely an NPG release, but also Universal)?

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.


Sell them to Prince fans, of course. (I doubt many Nature Publishing Group subscribers would want them smile ). Why can't "Paisley Park" start a "mailing list" which people could "sign up" for? Then those people who sign up could cross-referenced/checked against the membership records from NPGMC. (NPGMC still owns the information they collected from members of the club.) Now granted, this would very likely be somewhat chaotic since we all know how reliable the emails from NPGMC were... wink They can sell tickets through Ticketweb or something. The people on the "mailing list" could receive a unique code that would allow them to buy before non mailing list people at a "member" price. I'm just throwing out ideas--not sure of all the ligistics, but there's got to be a viable alternative; I guess it's just a matter of how much effort they (Paisley Park/Prince/NPGMC/whomever) would be willing to exert.
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Reply #134 posted 07/09/06 1:24pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

sosgemini said:




falloff

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

e-fucking-xactly! falloff



Yeah. That seems simple enough to do. It would have been right to do so as well.
But then again if we're seen as outsiders or peons to his ROYAL MADNESTY ( a phrase that I coined) then I guess he didn't or doesn't feel the need to give us the heads up on what is strictly HIS business and NOT OURS.We just pay the money to fund his site, purchse his merchandise and attend his shows. WHy should he share anything with us?
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Reply #135 posted 07/09/06 1:25pm

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jone70 said:

Synergy said:

tour with what?


confuse Umm, tour with a band that plays and sings music from his vast repetoire of songs.



Does Universal's involvement with 3121 make any difference (e.g. it wasn't solely an NPG release, but also Universal)?

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.


Sell them to Prince fans, of course. (I doubt many Nature Publishing Group subscribers would want them smile ). Why can't "Paisley Park" start a "mailing list" which people could "sign up" for? Then those people who sign up could cross-referenced/checked against the membership records from NPGMC. (NPGMC still owns the information they collected from members of the club.) Now granted, this would very likely be somewhat chaotic since we all know how reliable the emails from NPGMC were... wink They can sell tickets through Ticketweb or something. The people on the "mailing list" could receive a unique code that would allow them to buy before non mailing list people at a "member" price. I'm just throwing out ideas--not sure of all the ligistics, but there's got to be a viable alternative; I guess it's just a matter of how much effort they (Paisley Park/Prince/NPGMC/whomever) would be willing to exert.


you aint seriously trying to be rational, on this thread? eek
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Reply #136 posted 07/09/06 1:26pm

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Terilicious said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


e-fucking-xactly! falloff



Yeah. That seems simple enough to do. It would have been right to do so as well.
But then again if we're seen as outsiders or peons to his ROYAL MADNESTY ( a phrase that I coined) then I guess he didn't or doesn't feel the need to give us the heads up on what is strictly HIS business and NOT OURS.We just pay the money to fund his site, purchse his merchandise and attend his shows. WHy should he share anything with us?



because in Pizzaro World...customers aint first.

lol
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Reply #137 posted 07/09/06 1:31pm

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you aint seriously trying to be rational, on this thread? eek


doh! Sorry, it's a bad habit I have. I'll try to keep it under control. wink
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Reply #138 posted 07/09/06 1:36pm

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it's nice to see peoples' concern over all this, but frankly, there are far worse things to put a stop to and take a stand for than a petty-assed lawsuit being aimed at a pop star.



Yeah really. Perhaps I'd have been more apt to attempt at helping P if he wasn't so damn alienated from his fans. But there really are more important things to fight against: poverty; homelessness; disease; animal cruelty; the spread of hiv/aids; the current and future war; mass genocide in Sudan; the price of gasoline; the lack of nationwide healtcare in the U.S.; the creation and testing of NUCLEAR WEAPONS all over the world; media bias...etc.
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Reply #139 posted 07/09/06 1:39pm

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Terilicious said:




Yeah. That seems simple enough to do. It would have been right to do so as well.
But then again if we're seen as outsiders or peons to his ROYAL MADNESTY ( a phrase that I coined) then I guess he didn't or doesn't feel the need to give us the heads up on what is strictly HIS business and NOT OURS.We just pay the money to fund his site, purchse his merchandise and attend his shows. WHy should he share anything with us?



because in Pizzaro World...customers aint first.

lol
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lol
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Reply #140 posted 07/09/06 2:46pm

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radici27 said:

The question for me is: since the npgmc has been around for years, why is this suit being filed now?



because the book he wants to sell and make more money from is religious in nature and primitive in its concepts compared with all the great spiritual reading you can do on the internet for free ?


he's living in his own little dream world that millions of people woke up from years ago, and when a person constantly breaks universal laws because they think they can cuz they're famous...eventually that shit will catch up with you


if he shut the site down, or was advised to shut the site down, or was forced to shut the site down, for any other reasons, the little dream world he lives in suggested he do it without warning...no consideration shown to members...just another little sign of the tunnel-vision headspace his little dream world propagates...

this kinda shit is what happens to people who live in a mental prison induced by fame...

sad as it is..as a human being..he has the same responsibility to grow up and wake up as anyone else...prince or pauper...



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Reply #141 posted 07/09/06 2:51pm

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enB

lightning rainbo

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much eye hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....(eye will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty (yes Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

.....eye 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom eye remember from B4 we were born wink

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ eye hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread

dove
queen B
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Reply #142 posted 07/09/06 3:13pm

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Reply #143 posted 07/09/06 3:20pm

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theoriginalQueenB said:

lightning rainbo

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much eye hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....(eye will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty (yes Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

.....eye 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom eye remember from B4 we were born wink

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ eye hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread

dove
queen B



Hi QueenB,

Regarding Prince's " Healing "...

realistically - he's looking at having to UNDO every negative effect of fame

thats around 25 years worth...

every other time he has had the opportunity to do so

he has CHOSEN not to

as much as i believe in miracles

and as much as i wish for the same as you

i wont be holding my breath

now will i be 'waiting around' to see 'if he pulls through'



i have a damn fine life to live

and i learnt recently

not to think with the heart



all the compassion in the world aint gunna help that man

only he can

but can he - when he's "sitting in a prison cell surrounded by criminals" ?


we're talkin bout him goin to live in some remote hut somewhere and truly get engaged with what life is supposed to be about ...


if you can imagine Prince stripped of everything he has - and willingly relinquishing all of it...

then i guess he'll b ok... but i dont see it happening



the mental damage and psycholgical scars and heart wounds are way too deep.



but like i said - i do believe in miracles.



Realistically Pessimistic
and Constructively Impatient,


sacred.
heart
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Reply #144 posted 07/09/06 3:33pm

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Shavanti said:


Tough Shit that I pulled the plug on the Club!

Tough Shit that I didn't give u all any notice!

Tough Shit that U didn't get the e-mail from US as there NO LONGER is an US!


dancing jig That sounds like a record!

lemme hear ya say TOUGH SHIT
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Reply #145 posted 07/09/06 3:34pm

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Reply #146 posted 07/09/06 3:34pm

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HORNS!!! Play!!!


TUFF SHIT!!!
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Reply #147 posted 07/09/06 3:42pm

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HORNS!!! Play!!!


TUFF SHIT!!!

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Reply #148 posted 07/09/06 3:49pm

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sacredwarrior said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

lightning rainbo

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much eye hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....(eye will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty (yes Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

.....eye 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom eye remember from B4 we were born wink

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ eye hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread

dove
queen B



Hi QueenB,

Regarding Prince's " Healing "...

realistically - he's looking at having to UNDO every negative effect of fame

thats around 25 years worth...

every other time he has had the opportunity to do so

he has CHOSEN not to

as much as i believe in miracles

and as much as i wish for the same as you

i wont be holding my breath

now will i be 'waiting around' to see 'if he pulls through'



i have a damn fine life to live

and i learnt recently

not to think with the heart



all the compassion in the world aint gunna help that man

only he can

but can he - when he's "sitting in a prison cell surrounded by criminals" ?


we're talkin bout him goin to live in some remote hut somewhere and truly get engaged with what life is supposed to be about ...


if you can imagine Prince stripped of everything he has - and willingly relinquishing all of it...

then i guess he'll b ok... but i dont see it happening



the mental damage and psycholgical scars and heart wounds are way too deep.



but like i said - i do believe in miracles.



Realistically Pessimistic
and Constructively Impatient,


sacred.
heart


With all due respect, what the fuck are you guys talking about????
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Reply #149 posted 07/09/06 3:53pm

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This is a sign that Prince needs to get rid of that damned name, he's had it long enough...
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