OperatingThetan said:

Rorywan said:

Good for you. Some people did queue for 7-8 hours though.

Of course it was great gig, not sure anyone was questioning that. I have only ever seen one bad Prince gig. And that was newpowersoul in Brixton. And your missing the point entirely.

There were no 'fan safety issues' at Shepherd's Bush last night.

Some people did indeed queue for 8 hours, but others entered the venue after 8pm without difficulties.

So precisely what is the point that I am missing entirely?

You posted that you didn't have to queue for 8 hours. Many did. In the cold.

You were the exception to the rule (well done you). It went well last night thankfully, but it could easily

have gone the same way as the EB mess-up. There was no controlling that. Openly broadcasting that tickets will only be made available at the door one hour before the show is a call to action. Thousands of people potentially turning up at one spot looking for the same things. That's a potentially dangerous thing to do. There is no way of really knowing what way that's gonna go down. Which is irresposible. Demand was down, it wasn't as frenzied, which is why you got in easily and others got in after 8pm. That wasn't predicted.

That's the point.

heard that roolm is booked for the who week....hopefully not the same mess when there are tickets to buy

Rorywan said:

OperatingThetan said:

There were no 'fan safety issues' at Shepherd's Bush last night.

Some people did indeed queue for 8 hours, but others entered the venue after 8pm without difficulties.

So precisely what is the point that I am missing entirely?

You posted that you didn't have to queue for 8 hours. Many did. In the cold.

You were the exception to the rule (well done you). It went well last night thankfully, but it could easily

have gone the same way as the EB mess-up. There was no controlling that. Openly broadcasting that tickets will only be made available at the door one hour before the show is a call to action. Thousands of people potentially turning up at one spot looking for the same things. That's a potentially dangerous thing to do. There is no way of really knowing what way that's gonna go down. Which is irresposible. Demand was down, it wasn't as frenzied, which is why you got in easily and others got in after 8pm. That wasn't predicted.

That's the point.

I was an exception, along with about 400 other people.

Demand certainly wasn't 'down' from where I was standing. You seem to have quite a comprehensive knowledge of events for someone who wasn't even there.

I can appreciate some of your points having been caught in the surge and 'crush' in Camden on Wednesday. However, I feel Shepherds Bush was more controlled due to better management and security from the venue (properly walking the line, marking hands with numbers etc.) and the higher advertised ticket price which helped to discourage those less genuinely interested (i.e those who didn't just pitch up or queue jump to see a legend for a tenner).

If security and management is right, I believe these kind of events can be operated with relative safety and minimal potential danger. However, at least a few ticketed gigs may be appreciated by those who need to plan ahead or who are more sensitive.

OperatingThetan said:

Rorywan said:

OperatingThetan said:

I was an exception, along with about 400 other people.

Demand certainly wasn't 'down' from where I was standing. You seem to have quite a comprehensive knowledge of events for someone who wasn't even there.

I can appreciate some of your points having been caught in the surge and 'crush' in Camden on Wednesday. However, I feel Shepherds Bush was more controlled due to better management and security from the venue (properly walking the line, marking hands with numbers etc.) and the higher advertised ticket price which helped to discourage those less genuinely interested (i.e those who didn't just pitch up or queue jump to see a legend for a tenner).

If security and management is right, I believe these kind of events can be operated with relative safety and minimal potential danger. However, at least a few ticketed gigs may be appreciated by those who need to plan ahead or who are more sensitive.

Demand was undeniably down. Otherwise you wouldn't have gotten in after an hour queuing. Or by your own admission people walking in after 8 o'clock. [Edited 2/10/14 13:25pm]

Demand was 'down' in comparison to what? If you're comparing demand on Wednesday to demand on Sunday you need to consider that Sundays venue was double the capacity. Prince played twice for an approximate of 2,000 on Wednesday and once for 2,000 on Sunday. How was demand 'down' exactly?

OperatingThetan said:

Rorywan said:

OperatingThetan said: Demand was undeniably down. Otherwise you wouldn't have gotten in after an hour queuing. Or by your own admission people walking in after 8 o'clock. [Edited 2/10/14 13:25pm]

Demand was 'down' in comparison to what? If you're comparing demand on Wednesday to demand on Sunday you need to consider that Sundays venue was double the capacity. Prince played twice for an approximate of 2,000 on Wednesday and once for 2,000 on Sunday. How was demand 'down' exactly?

Demand was down in comparison to any sold out gig. You know when something sells out before it begins? Either on line or physically at the venue? People walked into SBE without having to queue for hours and after the gig had started because the demand wasn't as high as the previous gig at EB.

I don't get whats difficult to grasp there? It's perfectly obvious why. Bigger venue, seemingly more expensive tickets and bad personal experinces by many who queued for the EB gig. And yes of course I know the venue was bigger. That was part of my original point. One of the reasons that this went more smoothly was that there was less demand for tickets.

Now I'm finished debating this with you, it seems like a pointless waste of energy as you are just going around in circles.

Bye!

kaber said:

ecnirp98 said:

DaveT said:

Knowing that there were a number of people hurt last night, you do wonder if it was actually negligent of Prince's management not to have better security and controls in place. They seem to be fond in flinging lawsuits about, maybe its time to lob one back!

I bet the local council will be checking into this, I'm sure the Electric Ballroom will not want to risk their license and be associated with these problems, I'm guessing it's the venues responsibility for crowd safety/security, especially on a public highway qeuing outside. I'm not trying to take the blame from Prince/management, he has allot to answer over the fiasco and how the gigs have been arranged, pretty much excluding fans who cannot drop everything ar short notice or live outside London.

Having read the reports, I can't say i'm not too disappointed I probably won't be able to make these gigs as I am in Manchester, this is the first 'tour' I will not attend in the UK since my first Parade gigs in 86.

[Edited 2/6/14 6:21am]

"Prince/management, he has allot to answer over the fiasco and how the gigs have been arranged, pretty much excluding fans who cannot drop everything ar short notice or live outside London." He has NOTHING to answer for. The shows were SOLD OUT! Does it really matter where the fans came from? He's playing in London. If you want to see him go to London or stop whining. My God, what a bunch of cry babies!