Rhetorical questions...my fav.
Are you talking right NOW or EVER? And exactly what are you talking about coming close to?
Prince has more material than just about every artist and band, so it's not really viable to make a comparison, because we're talking about a guy that literally has 600 songs that he's published, but if we level the playing field, there's plenty of people I could name. As Stillwaiting has mentioned a 100 times, the thing with Prince is the versatility; it's not 1 thing. But there's artists that play 3 hours straight and don't depend on jukeboxes and background vocalists that act as leads. There's artists that switch up their shows, plenty of artists, but either the shows are like Neil Diamond's in energy or their pool of songs is about 40 or 50, not 400 or 500. So I could say Erykah Badu switches up her shows, but so what? I could say U2 keeps playing music, instead of bragging about themselves on stage. I could say Stevie Wonder offers variety.
I mean let's not go overboard here, please. If one of these acts or about 50 others announced they were doing 21 shows, mostly for $25 and all in the L.A. area, I would be very interested. If Prince was doing 21 shows for $100 minimum at the Forum, then it would have ended after 3 shows. If U2 was doing 21 shows for $100 minimum at the Forum, then people would be asking when is show #22? [Edited 6/2/11 14:52pm] | |
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20-25 songs per show, on average. its easy to play 87 songs a night when you only play snippets of music and do medleys. | |
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damn it. i ended up being sucked into this thread i've managed to avoid for days.
anyway, while i can see where the op is coming from, i do not agree with him. i knew EXACTLY what we were getting into. we made it to five shows at the forum and that was plenty. but i knew this. who didn't know/understand this was coming? | |
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Well, let him do 100mph this tour. The Good Life (in whatever version). I'll be modest. Fit those two in the regular run-of-the-mill show and we'll see... Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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You must not have been at the Paisley Park aftershows for the Musicology Tour in 2004. Three nights in a row Wed Thurs Fri night he played 2.5-3 hours beginning around one in a morning to 8-900 hundred people in this airplane hanger-like soundstage out in the sticks outside of Minneapolis. He walked out on stage during the first aftershow (Wed) walked directly over to me and slapped me five and then played "Miss You." An indescribable good time ensued for three days. No arena show Prince ever played could compare. There's just no fucking way I'll EVER believe that shit. | |
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This is not a debate over whether Arena shows or Small Venue/Late Night Shows are better... It's not even a discussion....
I did truly enjoy these Forum shows though... MUCH more than than most Big Venue shows I've been to. He wasn't promoting any album... It was VERY diverse... Regardless of what people who were looking for more say...
It kept me coming back.... That's for sure. | |
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Yep, that's probably a good number. Sometimes a couple less, sometimes a few more. Being a "jam" band doesn't mean all your songs are wandering fifteen minute long freakouts. It means you have the ability to go there if you feel like it, or that its more unlikely you play a song exactly the same way two times in a row.
And you think you go sucked in!? I wasn't coming back at all and look what happened! | |
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everybody needs attention I guess... | |
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Not everyone 'gets it', I guess. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Yes it is weird to criticize an artist for playing the same songs every night on a tour. It is fresh for 99% of the people who don't go to multiple show and you can't expect them to come up with an entirely different show every night. No one does this except those jam bands like Phish...and they suck.
And Prince has done tours in the past with a lot of more "obscure" material...yes the last 10 years has mostly been Greatest Hits, but how many people do you think would pay to see him play obscure B sides and unreleased tracks? Yes you would and I would but he would piss most of the concertgoers off if he did this.
So he mostly plays hits and puts in a few extra gems too...like "Cool". What is sad is that he doesn't even play songs from his new albums any longer.
So yes it is too much "Greatest Hits" but you can't fault him for doing the same show night after night..that is largely what a tour is and he and the band can't learn 200 songs to a level of expertise and mix them up every night..that just isn't possible. | |
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I remember in a past life seeing Mozart and he would play the same songs all the time too. We also used to bitch and moan about it on mozart.org | |
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Well... We'll see what mr P does during his Welcome 2 Europe's (mostly) Festivals tour 2011. Difference in venues is big: from an 80.000 capacity stadium, via 9.000 and 8.000, to a 6.500 room. Outside in a park, on an athletic course, an airport, a field near a castle.... We'll see what the 'jazz' festival setlists will do compared to the non-jazz venues. Also we can try to see any difference between the big things outside versus the smaller halls.
After that we can decide if there's any hope of a return to a concept at all, ever. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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yep, so true ! I AM LOOKING FOR USED PRINCE CONCERT TICKETS ... https://www.facebook.com/...erttickets | |
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time will tell but i just don't see him becoming the avandt garde artist that will do a show of sprinkled hits and focused more on his latest material anymore ..sadly 2 say but i hope 2 be proven wrong man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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He has whole bunch of "Hits" on albums that have been released since Warner Bros break up that don't get played! And nobodys asking the band to learn 200 songs. They are Pros and they basically played the same 25-30 songs for all the Forum shows with a few changes here and there. I know cover bands that can nail 50-60 songs to a tee! | |
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No one else but Prince chose the songs every night and the way they are played (mostly like the original recordings) and if he didnt have a problem playing them then you shouldnt have a problem hearing them as a hardcore fan. He obviously enjoys being the big egotistical rock star that said "if i played all my hits, we'd be here till next Saturday". After all his name is Prince or did he not remind you enough at the concerts? He can do whatever show he chooses. There are plenty of bands that had big hits and then chose to change them (the arrangements) in concert so they would never have to play the hit parade. They forced their audience to either like all their material or not go to the concert. Examples are Neil Young, Counting Crows, and Pearl Jam which will never be as BIG as Prince, The Stones or U2 who must play the big hits to stay the huge rock stars they are. | |
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Nonsense. He never plays the otehr 'hits'. Just the very mainstream stuff and a few inbetweens. He doesn't DARE or perhaps KNOW how to play an unknown song at the heigth of the show anymore. Jus as an intro perhaps, or as an encore.
How different can it be at an aftershow... Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Not without practice. | |
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I reluctantly reply to this thread knowing that by doing so it will keep it active
The incredible sense of entitlement on this board is nauseating. This board is so incredibly negative. What Prince just did in LA was beyond incredible Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Well written letter. | |
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so really he couldn't take time 2 practice the other songs as well? 4 the all time he's practised lgc, pr and other songs he could take that time and practice the other songs as well
it still gets me how he won't do a full unedited version of when doves cry but will bore everyone 2 tears with purple rain
smh man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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I have bootlegs of those few Paisley Park aftershows from 2004, which were really good, almost great. I went to 7 shows on that tour, and there were no aftershows, only afterparties where Prince walked through for a min, and then was gone. Lovesexy and ONA were full of aftershows. Since Prince ignores many of his classic songs, this would be a great place to play songs like Computer Blue, but apparently, Everyday People means more to him. | |
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Ok, what if you had to limit the list to songs where Prince was on lead vocals, and sang at least 75% of the lyrics without turning the song into a shadow of itself? I bet the list gets a lot shorter.
All 6 of the Carolina shows were very good to great, but it was very frustrating dealing with the high of hearing Mountains, and then the low in the same song when it was obvious that Prince was whispering in the mic, while Shelby& The nameless girls were singing.
Like I've said a lot, Prince is on stage singing less than an hour and a half on these shows, and in Carolina, we did not get $25 seats on the floor.
The pros: Great show, Prince is a legend, guitar solos from Heaven, great showmanship
The cons: Not enough singing, going through the motions at some shows, too many covers, show is shorter than some people much older than 52.
The truth: Prince could go on stage singing a Cool Whip commercial instead of Cool, and I'd still be there paying my $200, and then I'm come home and bitch about it here as I sold my soul on ebay to buy tickets to see Prince play a set of Sly Stone remakes. | |
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He claims his band knows 150 songs. Yet they play the SAME TWENTY SONGS every night. The same Sly Stone covers. The same Sylvester cover. The same hits.
"See, the fans got what they wanted. All they had to do was spend lots of $, hope to be amongst the very few able to squeeze into a small room, make no plans and be prepared to end up with nothing because halfway through the night Prince couldn't be arsed to perform, and then they got to listen to largely the same songs he's been playing for eaons, except with more guitar in the mix."
The simple fact that a no-talent has-been like Stefani is allowed in the building speaks volumes.
Except there weren't 17,000 there most of the nights. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Played at at least one Forum show.
Which he'd played on TV and at several Forum shows.
He's even playing this very regularly.
Played regularly since 1996.
Which he's been playing for ages. © Bart Van Hemelen
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I betcha the setlists will contain at least 50% the same things he played in 2010 or 2009. © Bart Van Hemelen
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I think you are right but its fair to say that he did this quite a lot in the 1980's too | |
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in the 80's the only songs that were constant are the same ones from purple rain with lgc only missing the parade tour .. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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If you can, check out the Arnhem show from 11/18/2010. Very different setlist than the norm, including Partyman! | |
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what artist does not repeat their hits time and time again? Are these shows really meant to be attended by the dozen, or are they once in a lifetime experiences? My Legacy
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