xlr8r said:

antoinet said:

I think y'all need to give Seth a break.

fuck Seth

It was my opinion and a request to not hear the same songs or SCHTICK over and over again... every night. I have a right to my opinion. So FUCK YOU.

Seth

adguy31 said:

xlr8r said:

fuck Seth

It was my opinion and a request to not hear the same songs or SCHTICK over and over again... every night. I have a right to my opinion. So FUCK YOU.

Seth

and your opinion sucks so I can comment on that as well

UltraLash said:

Look, if I heard Raspberry Beret and Inglewood Swinging one more time, I was going to cut someone. BUT that's not Prince's fault. It was my fault for going to 6 damn concerts. When bands tour, they practice and choreograph only a certain set of songs... and Prince picks the songs.

He actually did a damn good job of throwing a few wild cards and fan favorites into the mix on most nights (17 Days, Strange Relationship, Beautiful Ones, Dreamer, Peach...) and scheduling intimate, guitar-driven club appearances for the hardcore fans. He brought in a slew of opening acts and guest artists (including Stevie Wonder, Janelle Monae, Mary J. Blige, Larry Graham, Gwen Stefani and Chaka Khan!). AND he did it for nearly two months.

The truth is, Prince can't play for a venue that holds 17,000 people and deliver a Troubadour set. The place is full of first-time concert-goers and people's grandmas. They want to hear "Raspberry Beret." And God help Prince if he doesn't play Purple Rain in an arena. People will hunt him down and kill him... even grandma.

Bottom line: Prince doesn't know which concerts you attended, how often you went and what you want to hear. Also, he doesn't care.

That said, I would kill to hear Eye Hate U, Morning Papers, and F.U.N.K performed live. But my name ain't Prince.

I agree Ultralash.. I went 5 days and was just as excited as the first.. I was introduced to Prince with the For You album even though i was only 7.. I have been addicted ever since.. My mom attended a show with me .. and WITH ALLLLLLL the joints "Strange Relationship, The One, hell Chaka Khan, Maceo, DMSR, Let's Work, ( i could go on lol) she basically would have felt the show was a bust if she hadn't heard that damn Purple Rain lol.. I try not to be a Prince snob and judge those who just got down circa Purple Rain.. but it's hard.. I also would like a more intimate setlist comprised of "Joints only the og Prince fans would know about " .. I would love to hear All the Critics, Partyup, Baby et. al.. but I guess we just have to suck it up and be thankful for "little red corvette, Inglewood Swingin, and Single Ladies lol.. I think my show was the only one with the Led Zeppelin collabo with my fav chick Nikka Costa.. and I always enjoy Janelle Monae.. I suppose us hardcore Jami Starr fans are difficult to satisfy HAHAH.. btw.. I am new to posting here been lurkin for a minute though.. Extending my purple tamborine to the orgers.. u guys are awesome.. *wink*

TheResistor said:

slvrhrt7 said:

First off let's give the man his props, he's 52 had a hip replacement and still commands, captivates, and delivers to his audience. He pulled out 21 funky nights in LA and shows in the Bay. Not to mention he did this with "US" the fans in mind by keeping tix at a resonable cost of a mere $25 for the most part.

I understand your frustration Seth, I will be 41 in June and discovered Prince at age 10. I know all the hits and of of course all the other albums that we the true fans know, "Rainbow Children", "New Power Soul", "Emanciaption", etc. While the jokes at the piano medley got old, I was still delighted to be part of 17,000 fans having a funky good time. You could tell that Prince and the band were into putting a 100% of pure love, funk, and showmanship into each night.

I will say that I was fortunate enough to attend some aftershows and also saw the 2nd show at the Troubadour, this is where Prince really let loose. I mean to hear "Bambi"...FANTASTIC. Like going to the dark side, he was is a zone that night.

The bottom line is I see so many orgers complain about Prince, "he never goes on tour", "he doesn't release certain material", "he keeps changing his band", etc..... LET IT GO!!!!! Prince is Prince and let's just enjoy the fact that the man HAS still got it!!! He still puts out good material, still has fun playing, still cares about the fans, still makes music matter. Who else is putting the likes of Stevie, Mary J, Shelby J, Janale, all on the same stage.

I for one am happy at all the shows I was lucky enough to attend. And yes it may sound corny but no matter how many times I hear "Purple Rain", it always seems new to me when he plays it and it still touches my heart.

Just MHO.

Peace

Great post. I agree with you 100%. I saw four shows of the 21 Night Stand. One night I was in the purple circle and the other three in the Loge areas and I had a fantastic time all four nights. The main thing I realized with this set of shows was what I needed to do was to calm the fuck down and shut the fuck up with my ongoing criticism of Prince. I'm gay and an atheist, so I felt a little betrayed with his conversion to JW but that's my problem, not Prince's, something I admit only now, after the fact, not that it matters. I was so thrilled with the shows at the Forum and the various set lists. And yes, he did repeat himself here and there and yes, I could've done without "Raspberry Beret" and "Take Me With You," but you know what? I got to hear "If I was Your Girlfriend," "Insatiable," "Scandelous," and "Adore." Four songs I had never heard live before and I've seen Prince live at least 15 times. I was ten when I became a fan after seeing the "Purple Rain Tour," in Las Cruces, New Mexico in March of 1985. What the 21 Night Stand did for me was to take me back memory lane and reminded me of all the wonderful music, all the wonderful experiences and fun I've had listening to Prince my entire life. I managed to make the 21 Night Stand an event for about 10 people (friends and co-workers). People that are casual fans and had never seeing Prince live before. Seeing the excitement and awe in there faces was a brilliant reminder of what an awesome live performer Prince is. These same people went back several times. A girlfriend of mine, who is a singer-songwriter, managed to go to every show. Including the Troubadour and HOB shows. She was that inspired. She borrowed my entire collection (sorry Prince, some of your stuff is out of print) and has, in two months, become a hardcore.

And, slvrhrt7, I still get moved with Purple Rain too. I cried the first night he played it when I was in the Purple Circle. I wasn't expecting to cry. But the whole Prince Purple Ride I've had all my life came full circle that night and the emotion just overwhelmed me. My b.f. managed to get my meltdown, LOL, on his Iphone. I can't really explain it. And it may be corny but I was that moved.

Count me in with the group that considers themselves fortunate to have seen him perform live.

omd I wish I knew you were there/who you were. Ive always wanted to meet you.

Realtor said:

adguy31 said:

Well, since you want to know how this is promoted I guess I will have to put on my marketing hat for a bit...

One, have a show that was announced on Prince.org or on his website (which doesn't exist). Once announced, Prince could easily ask for fans to submit their requests of songs to hear that evening. Then he could have made a creative call as to what exact songs get played. After all, he is an artist and can choose what he wants. But that fact that he is acknowledging his hardcore fans and asking what they want to hear would be enough to satisfy me. I digress...

Then once he has all the information he can plan a show at the HOB or another small venue for only his fans. The bottom line about this is that it would announced only to fans via a site that caters to just fans. And, unfortunately, this site is the only one I am familiar with right now. I used to love NPGMusicClub but as we know that is no longer. You all know, as well as I do, that if Prince announced he was playing a show just for fans and they had a say in the set list then that show would sell out in no time. Especially if it were at a place like the HOB. I think the Troubadour as too small for all fans to attend.

So, does that answer your question about marketing and promotion. I think it is feasible and realistic. It's just a metter of getting the word out. Believe me, someone on his end could tally the songs coming in from fans. That's a quick and easy database in Excel and then rank in order of votes. But, like I said, he can change it around and play the songs he loves too. Since 2001 most of the tours have been greatest hits with the exception of the Ranbow Children tour which was OK considering he played Starfish and Coffee along with Anna Stesia. For the most part, his last tours have been incredibly repetitive.

How's that for a response?
Seth

I think your response is very fair and well thought out.

With that said, it's extremely unrealistic and asking much out of the ordinary for an accomplished musical icon like Prince. I agree, the NPG Music Club was superb, in more ways than one. But . . . it's gone. Have you read the posts in prince.org? There's no consensus about anything except people have a strong interest in Prince music. So, prince.org is not organized enough or unified to come close to doing what you are proposing.

Based on the details of your suggestion, I think you've come to grips that it could not occur in a 17,000 seat arena, which was the original point from purplethunder3121 and the rest of us who think it's not a viable idea. But I do maintain that most of the orgers would prefer as wide of a variety in setlists as possible, ESPECIALLY a guy like myself, who's attended 17 of the 21 performances during the Stand.

Just some other tidbits to chew on:

1. The orgers that think Prince doesn't care what his fans want to hear are 100% incorrect. I challenge the org to do some research pertaining to Prince's interviews over the years. He's stated on several . . . and I mean SEVERAL . . . occasions that he prefers playing new music and expanding his live repertoire but his fans, primarily AMERICAN FANS, don't respond well when he does. Therefore, he has been conditioned to play what they demand from him.

2. Let's be honest about some things about Prince, one being, he's much more talented than the people that are generally on stage with him. The ability for them to change up/switch up is probably not as high as you think. I'm aware that they are trained to look at him at every 8 count, but switching up setlists dramatically are easier said than done for bands, when you include the fact that the leader will then micromanage each song about 12 to 20 times. Nevertheless, the amount of different songs that Prince has played on this 21 Night Stand supercede any popular music act in current day, so please don't take that fact lightly.

3. The most important thing in all of this is I strongly believe that Prince is more in line with your thinking than you are aware of. When he does shows for $25, he's trying to do them for the fans by reducing the price. But when the crowd sits during Dreamer and stands during Raspberry Beret, what do you expect from him? Do you think it's fun for a legendary artist to play to audiences that give him a cold reception? The problem in all of this is NOT PRINCE. I've alluded to this, at least 20 times in the org, the problem is that his fans KISS HIS ASS. When Stillwaiting makes solid points in the org, he/she gets ridiculed. At the end of the day, either Prince's fans are going to SHOW him . . . at one of his concerts, not via the internet . . . that they want to hear other material. Until then, you can keep talking about this until you're blue in the face, but Prince IS going to keep doing what his fans are requesting of him.

[Edited 5/31/11 13:42pm]

your post is very well put as well just one thing 2 say tho. it's not just his american fans cause even his tours in europe of late have been the same type of songs played here in the states.

adguy31 said:

An Open Letter to Prince:

Dear Sir,

I have been a fan of yours since 1981 when a friend let me borrow the Controversy cassette tape. Even though I was 9 years old and my parents wouldn't let me listen to it, I somehow sneaked it into the house and put in whatever tape deck I could find and listen to that great music for hours. It was at that point you had me hooked. And, subsequently, I have been an arden supporter of yours by buying every album you have ever produced, defending you to so many people when you went through you name change and lack of commercial success as well as buying your concert tickets whenver you would tour or come to the area in which I have lived. In short, I have chosen to support all of your ventures and believe in your musical prowess and genius.

When I heard you were coming to LA for 21 Night I was excited to have the opportunity to see the greatest living musician; an icon. Never before had I been given an opportunity to see your talents in a smaller venue for such a long period of time. So, when tickets went on sale I made it a point to snatch up as many as I could afford and see as mnay shows as possible with the hopes of hearing some of greatest music that was an intregal part of my life. But, as I went to show after show at The Forum or Troubadour I became incressingly frustrated at the reality of hearing the same songs over and over and over again. Herein lies my issue with these concerts...

For once, I would like to see a real concert for REAL fans. Why can't you provide a concert for the people who have folowed you for (now) 30 years. I don't know how many times I have heard 1999, Little Red Corvette, Kiss, Alphabet Street, Take Me With U, Shhh, Let's Go Crazy and Purple Rain. Why do you have to make a concert for the "Radio" fans and not for the REAL fans. I know I cannot be alone in thinking this way. Why can't you perform a set that rewards the loyal, loyal followers who have helped to share the word about your music and performances with a concert that showcases your incredible catalog. For once, I would love to see a concert where you perform for the REAL fans with such greats as Thunder, Party Up, Condition of the Heart, America, Private Joy, Dorothy Parker, Eye Know, Partyman, 17 Days, Let's Pretend We're Married, and ANYTHING off the Gold Experience (minus Endorphine Machine or Shhh). This is not a wish list but an attempt to hear something... anything different.

I seems like the last 10 years of touring have been a "greatest hits' show and I would hope you would consider performing the songs that have made you great to the real fans. Your music is so much more than just "The Hits." And, if you can change the lyrics around to DMSR to fit your new beliefs then why can't you do that for other songs. And, more importantly, if you new beliefs prevent you from playing Darling Nikki then why in the hell would you even perform it (or just a snipet of it) in concert. C'mon, man. Now don't get me wrong. I am appreicative of every show you perform and loved every minute of it, however, I started getting disappointed when I kept hearing the same songs, anecdotes, and words to the crowd (Y'all ain't ready for me). It became more about Schtick then about performance.

I hope you keep touring and sharing your music with the world. We all know the music industry needs someone like you to show younger generations what good, make that great, music is all about. I just hope you add more songs to reward your life-long fans the opportunity to hear the songs that have become the soundtrack our lives.

Your loyal fan,

Seth

(PS - this is NOT intended to start a flame war here - I just wanted to air my frustration with the repetitive shows).

[Edited 5/30/11 19:06pm]

lol well damn, this is an issue of self-control. I know that if I lived in LA, I damn sure would not have gone to more than two concerts at the Forum. Aftershows, I'd be all over all of them, but the arena shows are pretty much going to be something for the masses, not folks that post at P.org.

the repetition was on you, not Prince!

BlackandRising said:

adguy31 said:

An Open Letter to Prince:

Dear Sir,

I have been a fan of yours since 1981 when a friend let me borrow the Controversy cassette tape. Even though I was 9 years old and my parents wouldn't let me listen to it, I somehow sneaked it into the house and put in whatever tape deck I could find and listen to that great music for hours. It was at that point you had me hooked. And, subsequently, I have been an arden supporter of yours by buying every album you have ever produced, defending you to so many people when you went through you name change and lack of commercial success as well as buying your concert tickets whenver you would tour or come to the area in which I have lived. In short, I have chosen to support all of your ventures and believe in your musical prowess and genius.

When I heard you were coming to LA for 21 Night I was excited to have the opportunity to see the greatest living musician; an icon. Never before had I been given an opportunity to see your talents in a smaller venue for such a long period of time. So, when tickets went on sale I made it a point to snatch up as many as I could afford and see as mnay shows as possible with the hopes of hearing some of greatest music that was an intregal part of my life. But, as I went to show after show at The Forum or Troubadour I became incressingly frustrated at the reality of hearing the same songs over and over and over again. Herein lies my issue with these concerts...

For once, I would like to see a real concert for REAL fans. Why can't you provide a concert for the people who have folowed you for (now) 30 years. I don't know how many times I have heard 1999, Little Red Corvette, Kiss, Alphabet Street, Take Me With U, Shhh, Let's Go Crazy and Purple Rain. Why do you have to make a concert for the "Radio" fans and not for the REAL fans. I know I cannot be alone in thinking this way. Why can't you perform a set that rewards the loyal, loyal followers who have helped to share the word about your music and performances with a concert that showcases your incredible catalog. For once, I would love to see a concert where you perform for the REAL fans with such greats as Thunder, Party Up, Condition of the Heart, America, Private Joy, Dorothy Parker, Eye Know, Partyman, 17 Days, Let's Pretend We're Married, and ANYTHING off the Gold Experience (minus Endorphine Machine or Shhh). This is not a wish list but an attempt to hear something... anything different.

I seems like the last 10 years of touring have been a "greatest hits' show and I would hope you would consider performing the songs that have made you great to the real fans. Your music is so much more than just "The Hits." And, if you can change the lyrics around to DMSR to fit your new beliefs then why can't you do that for other songs. And, more importantly, if you new beliefs prevent you from playing Darling Nikki then why in the hell would you even perform it (or just a snipet of it) in concert. C'mon, man. Now don't get me wrong. I am appreicative of every show you perform and loved every minute of it, however, I started getting disappointed when I kept hearing the same songs, anecdotes, and words to the crowd (Y'all ain't ready for me). It became more about Schtick then about performance.

I hope you keep touring and sharing your music with the world. We all know the music industry needs someone like you to show younger generations what good, make that great, music is all about. I just hope you add more songs to reward your life-long fans the opportunity to hear the songs that have become the soundtrack our lives.

Your loyal fan,

Seth

(PS - this is NOT intended to start a flame war here - I just wanted to air my frustration with the repetitive shows).

[Edited 5/30/11 19:06pm]

lol well damn, this is an issue of self-control. I know that if I lived in LA, I damn sure would not have gone to more than two concerts at the Forum. Aftershows, I'd be all over all of them, but the arena shows are pretty much going to be something for the masses, not folks that post at P.org.

the repetition was on you, not Prince!

'exactamundo'-The Fonz

L4OATheOriginal said:

Realtor said:

I think your response is very fair and well thought out.

With that said, it's extremely unrealistic and asking much out of the ordinary for an accomplished musical icon like Prince. I agree, the NPG Music Club was superb, in more ways than one. But . . . it's gone. Have you read the posts in prince.org? There's no consensus about anything except people have a strong interest in Prince music. So, prince.org is not organized enough or unified to come close to doing what you are proposing.

Based on the details of your suggestion, I think you've come to grips that it could not occur in a 17,000 seat arena, which was the original point from purplethunder3121 and the rest of us who think it's not a viable idea. But I do maintain that most of the orgers would prefer as wide of a variety in setlists as possible, ESPECIALLY a guy like myself, who's attended 17 of the 21 performances during the Stand.

Just some other tidbits to chew on:

1. The orgers that think Prince doesn't care what his fans want to hear are 100% incorrect. I challenge the org to do some research pertaining to Prince's interviews over the years. He's stated on several . . . and I mean SEVERAL . . . occasions that he prefers playing new music and expanding his live repertoire but his fans, primarily AMERICAN FANS, don't respond well when he does. Therefore, he has been conditioned to play what they demand from him.

2. Let's be honest about some things about Prince, one being, he's much more talented than the people that are generally on stage with him. The ability for them to change up/switch up is probably not as high as you think. I'm aware that they are trained to look at him at every 8 count, but switching up setlists dramatically are easier said than done for bands, when you include the fact that the leader will then micromanage each song about 12 to 20 times. Nevertheless, the amount of different songs that Prince has played on this 21 Night Stand supercede any popular music act in current day, so please don't take that fact lightly.

3. The most important thing in all of this is I strongly believe that Prince is more in line with your thinking than you are aware of. When he does shows for $25, he's trying to do them for the fans by reducing the price. But when the crowd sits during Dreamer and stands during Raspberry Beret, what do you expect from him? Do you think it's fun for a legendary artist to play to audiences that give him a cold reception? The problem in all of this is NOT PRINCE. I've alluded to this, at least 20 times in the org, the problem is that his fans KISS HIS ASS. When Stillwaiting makes solid points in the org, he/she gets ridiculed. At the end of the day, either Prince's fans are going to SHOW him . . . at one of his concerts, not via the internet . . . that they want to hear other material. Until then, you can keep talking about this until you're blue in the face, but Prince IS going to keep doing what his fans are requesting of him.

[Edited 5/31/11 13:42pm]

your post is very well put as well just one thing 2 say tho. it's not just his american fans cause even his tours in europe of late have been the same type of songs played here in the states.

Thank you, while typing American, I thought about the 21 Nights in London, a run I didn't attend, but many of my relatives and friends did. Honestly, I never inquired about the details about it, just heard they were "good" performances and that's about it. I have read that they were more for the casual, not hardcore fan, though. As far as his other European Tours, I've heard reports from both extremes.

My first exposure to his concerns about this was I believe during sometime between Around The World In A Day and Parade. During the late 80's and early 90's, Prince began making several statements about him being loved more in Europe because they appreciated whatever he would play there. As we went through the 90's and first half of the millenium, I started hearing him say that about other countries, not necessarily in Europe. Prior to the Musicology Tour, he talked about Canada receiving his new material so much better than people in America did. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2004 tour's main promotion line was "Prince playing all of his hits." To my knowledge, that was one of, if not the most successful tour financially for him of his career. In my opinion, he's been conflicted, again, and ever since.

Am I the only one here that actually LIKES hearing the hits?

Out of many excellent memories from April 14, the one I keep coming back to is the elation in the air at the opening chords of 1999, then singing along to the line "if I'm gonna die I'm gonna listen to my body tonight" while about two feet off the ground.

Am I also the only person here who likes the casual fans? One of my favorite things at a Prince gig is to look around at how many different people are there, partying, dancing, getting down in the moment, overjoyed that their favorite song just started.

I only went to two gigs, not ten. If I was going to ten, yes, it would be nice if the setlist changed a lot. And if I didn't believe it was going to change a lot, I might decide not to go to ten shows.

He did joy in repetition, I was fulfilled.

bobzilla77 said:

Am I the only one here that actually LIKES hearing the hits?

Out of many excellent memories from April 14, the one I keep coming back to is the elation in the air at the opening chords of 1999, then singing along to the line "if I'm gonna die I'm gonna listen to my body tonight" while about two feet off the ground.

Am I also the only person here who likes the casual fans? One of my favorite things at a Prince gig is to look around at how many different people are there, partying, dancing, getting down in the moment, overjoyed that their favorite song just started.

I only went to two gigs, not ten. If I was going to ten, yes, it would be nice if the setlist changed a lot. And if I didn't believe it was going to change a lot, I might decide not to go to ten shows.

I love the hits, I love all of Prince's music. I don't listen to radio and can't say I've been to enough Prince concerts to get burned out on anything. I mean really, they're great song no matter what. I couldn't imagine a Prince concert without Purple Rain. As for casual fans, there's a downside, the drunk trash all around us at the 2nd show we saw were bitching and moaning everytime he played something they were unfamiliar with...

bobzilla77 said:

Am I the only one here that actually LIKES hearing the hits?

Out of many excellent memories from April 14, the one I keep coming back to is the elation in the air at the opening chords of 1999, then singing along to the line "if I'm gonna die I'm gonna listen to my body tonight" while about two feet off the ground.

Am I also the only person here who likes the casual fans? One of my favorite things at a Prince gig is to look around at how many different people are there, partying, dancing, getting down in the moment, overjoyed that their favorite song just started.

I only went to two gigs, not ten. If I was going to ten, yes, it would be nice if the setlist changed a lot. And if I didn't believe it was going to change a lot, I might decide not to go to ten shows.

Everyone likes hearing hits.

Everyone, that attends often, gets tired of hearing the hits.

Everyone enjoys when the audience is into the music.

Everyone that attended 10 or more times probably likes, at least, 200 Prince songs, so began yearning for different material.

Everyone that was reasonable, understood that those yearnings would surely go unfulfilled and appreciated what was delivered.

Dear Prince,

These songs were all played at The Forum:

Extraordinary, Uptown, Make You Feel My Love, Insatiable, Scandalous, Adore, Peach, Stratus, Sometimes It Snows In April, Laydown, Endorphinmachine, She's Always in My Hair, Dreamer, Welcome 2 America, When Eye Lay My Hands On U, Guitar, Anotherloverholenyohead, Beginning Endlessly, Future Soul Song, Misty Blue, How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore, If I Was Your Girlfriend, When We're Dancing Close and Slow, Joy in Repetition, Brown Skin, 17 Days, Shhh/U Will Be With Me, More Than This, Partyman, Jungle Strut / Soul Sacri...L'Overture, The Question of U / The One / Gingerbread Man / Beggin' Woman Blues, So Far So Pleased, Something In The Water (Does Not Computer), Strange Relationship, Sexy Dancer, The Love We Make, Eye'll Never B Another Fool, & Pass The Peas.

Not sure how many casual fans know that setlist.... But I sure enjoyed the one's I got to hear live.

you will not hear any of the songs you would like to hear on this tour because this band can't play certain songs properly. I've been watching morris haynes lead the band thru songs because he is the musical band leader of this tour and i gotta tell you guys, most of the songs are not working live.

jackson35 said:

you will not hear any of the songs you would like to hear on this tour because this band can't play certain songs properly. I've been watching morris haynes lead the band thru songs because he is the musical band leader of this tour and i gotta tell you guys, most of the songs are not working live.

Elaborate, please...specifics..?

Realtor said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

your post is very well put as well just one thing 2 say tho. it's not just his american fans cause even his tours in europe of late have been the same type of songs played here in the states.

Thank you, while typing American, I thought about the 21 Nights in London, a run I didn't attend, but many of my relatives and friends did. Honestly, I never inquired about the details about it, just heard they were "good" performances and that's about it. I have read that they were more for the casual, not hardcore fan, though. As far as his other European Tours, I've heard reports from both extremes.

My first exposure to his concerns about this was I believe during sometime between Around The World In A Day and Parade. During the late 80's and early 90's, Prince began making several statements about him being loved more in Europe because they appreciated whatever he would play there. As we went through the 90's and first half of the millenium, I started hearing him say that about other countries, not necessarily in Europe. Prior to the Musicology Tour, he talked about Canada receiving his new material so much better than people in America did. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2004 tour's main promotion line was "Prince playing all of his hits." To my knowledge, that was one of, if not the most successful tour financially for him of his career. In my opinion, he's been conflicted, again, and ever since.

i loved the tag line for the musicology tour "prince is his playing his hits 4 the last time" and he even said it during his interview on the leno show that he wanted 2 make more way for his new music live .....7 years later .....

Realtor said:

Everyone that was reasonable, understood that those yearnings would surely go unfulfilled and appreciated what was delivered.

Wait a second, I totally agree with this sentiment.... So does that make me "reasonable" or an "irrational pothead"????...

[Edited 5/31/11 23:51pm]

LMAO!! I can't believe some people are bitching that the 21 Nights In LA shows got old fast! Uhh, well what do you expect when you buy tickets to see the show multiple times? Also I have to laugh because most artists when they tour will have the exact same setlist every night for the whole tour, whereas Prince changes his up often, so what are you bitching about? As for the complaining about him singing his greatest hits, sorry, but I know that when I go to someone's concert, I DO want to hear the hits.

See, this is why Prince needs to stop these stupid "21 Night's in (insert city here)" bullshit. Instead of playing in the same damn city where people bitch and complain, he should stick to the standard 2 or 3 shows per city and then move on to the next where people will appreciate it.

BTW, still waiting for a Chicago show. No, actually I'm at the point where I don't even really give a fuck now. If he comes, great, if he doesn't, oh well.

DaveG said:

Realtor said:

Everyone that was reasonable, understood that those yearnings would surely go unfulfilled and appreciated what was delivered.

Wait a second, I totally agree with this sentiment.... So does that make me "reasonable" or an "irrational pothead"????...

[Edited 5/31/11 23:51pm]

With 21 nights one could play with the sets being delivered.

Something like announcing:

Thursdays for the experimental/hardfanbase stuff working up to the Saturday Hitnight for the family.

The problem lies with the claim and definition of being a fan.

Do you appreciated the man for playing (whatever that me be) or what he plays for you.

I know I expect a different bargain from Prince than from artists I seldom see.

I also saw that visitors take a pee-break during songs they don't know.

[Edited 6/1/11 0:45am]

dualboot said:

I know I expect a different bargain from Prince than from artists I seldom see.

I also saw that visitors take a pee-break during songs they don't know.

It's easier to make a blanket statement and not elaborate.....

GDB said:

jackson35 said:

you will not hear any of the songs you would like to hear on this tour because this band can't play certain songs properly. I've been watching morris haynes lead the band thru songs because he is the musical band leader of this tour and i gotta tell you guys, most of the songs are not working live.

Elaborate, please...specifics..?

Diana80 said:

LMAO!! I can't believe some people are bitching that the 21 Nights In LA shows got old fast! Uhh, well what do you expect when you buy tickets to see the show multiple times? Also I have to laugh because most artists when they tour will have the exact same setlist every night for the whole tour, whereas Prince changes his up often, so what are you bitching about? As for the complaining about him singing his greatest hits, sorry, but I know that when I go to someone's concert, I DO want to hear the hits.

See, this is why Prince needs to stop these stupid "21 Night's in (insert city here)" bullshit. Instead of playing in the same damn city where people bitch and complain, he should stick to the standard 2 or 3 shows per city and then move on to the next where people will appreciate it.

BTW, still waiting for a Chicago show. No, actually I'm at the point where I don't even really give a fuck now. If he comes, great, if he doesn't, oh well.

In other words it's a bit unreasonable to expect Prince to play 21 3 hour concerts and not repeat any songs?

jackson35 said:

you will not hear any of the songs you would like to hear on this tour because this band can't play certain songs properly. I've been watching morris haynes lead the band thru songs because he is the musical band leader of this tour and i gotta tell you guys, most of the songs are not working live.

I might have to agree with you here a little bit. I almost don't want him to do a lot of old good stuff because I don't think this band is good enough to have it sound good. Let's be honest, they sound like a friggin' Prince cover/tribute band. Very watered down, IMHO. And plus, a few of these "different" songs aren't even being sung by Prince, but by Shelby or someone else instead (or just an instrumental).

He REALLY needs to get rid of Renato, too. VERY boring, jazzy keys that just add nothing to the tunes except a snooze factor.

And to all those shittin' on the OP, leave him alone. He was stating his opinion, and unless I misread something in the rules here at the org, that is indeed allowed without trying to rip him a new one. Dismissed.

DaveG said:

Realtor said:

Everyone that was reasonable, understood that those yearnings would surely go unfulfilled and appreciated what was delivered.

Wait a second, I totally agree with this sentiment.... So does that make me "reasonable" or an "irrational pothead"????...

[Edited 5/31/11 23:51pm]

Every person can be, and is reasonable, at times. Every person can be, and is irrational, at times. My statements are always based on the information that I am afforded, no more, no less. Since smoking marijuna (and other drug use) is a cause for irrational behavior, I have used deductive reasoning, primarily because no other information has been provided for me. Without knowing much about you personally, I would guess that you refrain from getting high most hours of the day, which allows you to provide posts that make sense. I'm not sure, and at this point don't really care, what your motive was to attack my right of expression inside the FU** HENDRIX thread, but you came off as an irrational person who was grabbing for straws.

As far as you defending potheads and their freedom to disturb concert fans with their smoke, it's pretty much irrelevant to me at this point. If pressed, I would label that type of behavior in the irresponsible category, not irrational. Nevertheless, since I don't indulge in trying to wreck my brain power, I will forever remain open for the time that you utilitze your intellect to explain why you have a problem with someone defending Jimi Hendrix. I HOPE the explanation is thorough enough, so that no future misunderstandings between the two of us arise.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Realtor said:

Thank you, while typing American, I thought about the 21 Nights in London, a run I didn't attend, but many of my relatives and friends did. Honestly, I never inquired about the details about it, just heard they were "good" performances and that's about it. I have read that they were more for the casual, not hardcore fan, though. As far as his other European Tours, I've heard reports from both extremes.

My first exposure to his concerns about this was I believe during sometime between Around The World In A Day and Parade. During the late 80's and early 90's, Prince began making several statements about him being loved more in Europe because they appreciated whatever he would play there. As we went through the 90's and first half of the millenium, I started hearing him say that about other countries, not necessarily in Europe. Prior to the Musicology Tour, he talked about Canada receiving his new material so much better than people in America did. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2004 tour's main promotion line was "Prince playing all of his hits." To my knowledge, that was one of, if not the most successful tour financially for him of his career. In my opinion, he's been conflicted, again, and ever since.

i loved the tag line for the musicology tour "prince is his playing his hits 4 the last time" and he even said it during his interview on the leno show that he wanted 2 make more way for his new music live .....7 years later .....

Exactly. Things like that make me feel that a lot of people here in the org really haven't followed Prince that long, forget very quickly, or just don't pay attention to things like that. Prince has been so adamant, for over a decade, about his disdain for playing "hits" and now, all of sudden, nobody remembers? If the FANS didn't demand to hear the Purple Rains, Raspberry Berets, Kisses, and Let's Go Crazies, Prince would dismiss those songs . . . FOREVER. Let me know when someone wakes up in this thread; meantime, I'll visit another.

Realtor said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i loved the tag line for the musicology tour "prince is his playing his hits 4 the last time" and he even said it during his interview on the leno show that he wanted 2 make more way for his new music live .....7 years later .....

Exactly. Things like that make me feel that a lot of people here in the org really haven't followed Prince that long, forget very quickly, or just don't pay attention to things like that. Prince has been so adamant, for over a decade, about his disdain for playing "hits" and now, all of sudden, nobody remembers? If the FANS didn't demand to hear the Purple Rains, Raspberry Berets, Kisses, and Let's Go Crazies, Prince would dismiss those songs . . . FOREVER. Let me know when someone wakes up in this thread; meantime, I'll visit another.

i'll give u another: prior 2 the rave un2 the joy 2000 pay per view, he was on the early morning show with bryant gumble saying he would never do 1999 again because there was no need 2 do the song ..then during his stint in london in 2007 ..don't worry i won't hurt u ...

now b4 anyone says this, yes prince can do whatever he wants cause it's his music not ours, but come on its time 2 wake up and say there is other music besides this from him

adguy31 said:

sirweasel said:

Really Seth????????

He is not playing for YOU but for the fans who have never seen him before!!!

Get a life!!!

We are so lucky to have had this happen!!!!!

Again HE IS NOT PLAYING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!

GET OVER IT AND GET A LIFE!!!!

Did I mention he is not playing for you!!!!!

WOW! I exoected more from people here. This was the most immature and idiotic response I have ever seen and you should be proud of your massive intelligence. As I said (and this is the LAST time I defend my statement), I WISHED he would have a show (within the 21 shows) for the hardcore/real fans and not the radio fans. I also said that I was thankful and excited to see him. I would have liked to have seen a show for hardcore fans and not this "greatest hits, ulta-repetitive" show.

I thank you for yelling but you intelligence and shouting just show me how dumb and immature you really are. Learn the difference between attacks and criticism please or grow up. Thank you and have a nice day.

Seth

welcome to the org Seth...