Kayleigh said:

I wonder if the postponing has anything to do with Lady Gaga's performance on the same place on two previous nights (Oct 13th and 14th)?

She leaves more of a profit margin for the promotor and hass less demands after the presales are announced. I.e.: less problems. Happier fans.

udo said:

Kayleigh said:

I wonder if the postponing has anything to do with Lady Gaga's performance on the same place on two previous nights (Oct 13th and 14th)?

She leaves more of a profit margin for the promotor and hass less demands after the presales are announced. I.e.: less problems. Happier fans.

But not such great music as Prince

Kayleigh said:

But not such great music as Prince

No show means no music to compare...

Kayleigh said:

I wonder if the postponing has anything to do with Lady Gaga's performance on the same place on two previous nights (Oct 13th and 14th)?

Maybe, her Monsterball tour is really big, lot of costumes, big stage, catwalk and everything, maybe they need time to take it away?

Madonnagirl3 said:

Kayleigh said:

I wonder if the postponing has anything to do with Lady Gaga's performance on the same place on two previous nights (Oct 13th and 14th)?

Maybe, her Monsterball tour is really big, lot of costumes, big stage, catwalk and everything, maybe they need time to take it away?

It must be that because in no way could this be anything to do with Prince...he has such a great reputation with promoters.

Ha, it seems that they don't even have a webpage for the event anymore. I tried to do a search for "Prince" at lippu.fi and nothing came up.

eireboy34 said:

Madonnagirl3 said:

Maybe, her Monsterball tour is really big, lot of costumes, big stage, catwalk and everything, maybe they need time to take it away?

It must be that because in no way could this be anything to do with Prince...he has such a great reputation with promoters.

Yep, he just have a lots of bad luck what comes to his concerts

Kayleigh said:

I wonder if the postponing has anything to do with Lady Gaga's performance on the same place on two previous nights (Oct 13th and 14th)?

eireboy34 said:

Madonnagirl3 said:

Maybe, her Monsterball tour is really big, lot of costumes, big stage, catwalk and everything, maybe they need time to take it away?

It must be that because in no way could this be anything to do with Prince...he has such a great reputation with promoters.

Oh my dear...I seem to have taught you all I know..my work is done

dayzofwyld said:

Oh my dear...I seem to have taught you all I know..my work is done

dayzofwyld said:

eireboy34 said:

It must be that because in no way could this be anything to do with Prince...he has such a great reputation with promoters.

Oh my dear...I seem to have taught you all I know..my work is done

You've created a monster!

langebleu said:

asg said:

Music megastar Prince has postponed his Helsinki concert date to an unspecified time in the future.

The word they seem to be struggling to use is 'cancelled'.

Hi langebleu x

Jeffiner said:

langebleu said:

The word they seem to be struggling to use is 'cancelled'.

Hi langebleu x

OK Jennikins, so Langebleu gets a "hi" and the rest of us...nowt.

It's on posts like this that you know who your real friends are......

Jeffiner said:

langebleu said:

The word they seem to be struggling to use is 'cancelled'.

Hi langebleu x

Hi Jeffiner x

langebleu said:

asg said:

Music megastar Prince has postponed his Helsinki concert date to an unspecified time in the future.

The word they seem to be struggling to use is 'cancelled'.

If Helsinki and Antwerpen concerts are just "postponed" by Prince, it would be fair to put out the new dates and fast. Otherwise those gigs should be considered as "cancelled", at least what comes to this particular tour.

If that's the case, I wonder which Finnish concert organizer is willing to take a risk with Prince ever again. 5 th concert in a row is cancellation record in Finland, so far.

The Helsinki show isn't "postponed". It's cancelled, and from what I hear it's just due to bad research and planning. The logistics turned out to be too expensive. "Postpone" is just a nice word not to upset the fans.

stein74 said:

The Helsinki show isn't "postponed". It's cancelled, and from what I hear it's just due to bad research and planning. The logistics turned out to be too expensive. "Postpone" is just a nice word not to upset the fans.

So the logistics were Prince's side of the story?

Or of the hall?

Thanks for confirming the euphemism.

stein74 said:

The Helsinki show isn't "postponed". It's cancelled, and from what I hear it's just due to bad research and planning. The logistics turned out to be too expensive. "Postpone" is just a nice word not to upset the fans.

Very poor planning, indeed. This way he only upsets more people. If his organization did this huge mistake, it would be nice to be honest about it. Especially, when this was the third cancelled visit already.

If the logistics turned out to be too expensive for Prince, why this wasn't the case with all the other artist who have visited in Helsinki. I'm sure, that Prince's system isn't the costiest concert arranged in Hartwall Arena.

In the end, it seems to be a question of greediness.

[Edited 10/12/10 9:46am]

Kullervo68 said:

If the logistics turned out to be too expensive for Prince, why this wasn't the case with all the other artist who have visited in Helsinki. I'm sure, that Prince's system isn't the costiest concert arranged in Hartwall Arena.

In the end, it seems to be a question of greediness.

Could very well be.

During the summer episode of his tour over Europe he rented the video screens, had no security team of his own (except perhaps personal security) and used stages of the local venue most of the time.

I.e.: basically he only transported the gear and costumes around aside from the people.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

udo said:

stein74 said:

The Helsinki show isn't "postponed". It's cancelled, and from what I hear it's just due to bad research and planning. The logistics turned out to be too expensive. "Postpone" is just a nice word not to upset the fans.

So the logistics were Prince's side of the story?

Or of the hall?

Thanks for confirming the euphemism.

As I understand it the logistics between the cities are up to Prince. He has two agents in Europe working on setting different concerts up, and one team/crew that follow him around Europe. The local venue/promotor pays Prince to appear, nothing more. And he gets a fixed sum and is undependent of ticket sales.

I'm surprised they managed to set up Bergen, without more concerts in the area. For example there will be no swedish shows, although they really tried. Not enough cash was offered, that's the reason.

[Edited 10/13/10 7:10am]

stein74 said:

udo said:

So the logistics were Prince's side of the story?

Or of the hall?

Thanks for confirming the euphemism.

As I understand it the logistics between the cities are up to Prince. He has two agents in Europe working on setting different concerts up, and one team/crew that follow him around Europe. The local venue/promotor pays Prince to appear, nothing more. And he gets a fixed sum and is undependent of ticket sales.

I'm surprised they managed to set up Bergen, without more concerts in the area. For example there will be no swedish shows, although they really tried. Not enough cash was offered, that's the reason.

Interesting. So the business model is more clear now.

Also the inner working of a performance deal are explained.

The Swedes don't think ~USD 1 - 1.5M is the right price for mr P in a medium sized venue? (10K+)

Hmmm. At least they may be more careful than the others during the summer gigs (Berlin, Werchter, Nice, Geneva all had 'sales issues' in some form or another)

udo said:

stein74 said:

As I understand it the logistics between the cities are up to Prince. He has two agents in Europe working on setting different concerts up, and one team/crew that follow him around Europe. The local venue/promotor pays Prince to appear, nothing more. And he gets a fixed sum and is undependent of ticket sales.

I'm surprised they managed to set up Bergen, without more concerts in the area. For example there will be no swedish shows, although they really tried. Not enough cash was offered, that's the reason.

Interesting. So the business model is more clear now.

Also the inner working of a performance deal are explained.

The Swedes don't think ~USD 1 - 1.5M is the right price for mr P in a medium sized venue? (10K+)

Hmmm. At least they may be more careful than the others during the summer gigs (Berlin, Werchter, Nice, Geneva all had 'sales issues' in some form or another)

1.5M Dollar would mean 71 euro per person in a 15K hall (For Prince alone that is, no hire charge foor hall, expenses for ticketsales and an decent profit for the promotor). No way that is going to work.

remko said:

udo said:

Interesting. So the business model is more clear now.

Also the inner working of a performance deal are explained.

The Swedes don't think ~USD 1 - 1.5M is the right price for mr P in a medium sized venue? (10K+)

Hmmm. At least they may be more careful than the others during the summer gigs (Berlin, Werchter, Nice, Geneva all had 'sales issues' in some form or another)

1.5M Dollar would mean 71 euro per person in a 15K hall (For Prince alone that is, no hire charge foor hall, expenses for ticketsales and an decent profit for the promotor). No way that is going to work.

So what do we pay in Bergen? Or Kopenhagen?

udo said:

remko said:

1.5M Dollar would mean 71 euro per person in a 15K hall (For Prince alone that is, no hire charge foor hall, expenses for ticketsales and an decent profit for the promotor). No way that is going to work.

So what do we pay in Bergen? Or Kopenhagen?

I don't know, ridiculous prices?

remko said:

udo said:

So what do we pay in Bergen? Or Kopenhagen?

I don't know, ridiculous prices?

Well, Prince might have rich friends, but not so many rich fans..

Vanity45 said:

remko said:

I don't know, ridiculous prices?

Well, Prince might have rich friends, but not so many rich fans..

not in Bergen...

udo said:

stein74 said:

As I understand it the logistics between the cities are up to Prince. He has two agents in Europe working on setting different concerts up, and one team/crew that follow him around Europe. The local venue/promotor pays Prince to appear, nothing more. And he gets a fixed sum and is undependent of ticket sales.

I'm surprised they managed to set up Bergen, without more concerts in the area. For example there will be no swedish shows, although they really tried. Not enough cash was offered, that's the reason.

Interesting. So the business model is more clear now.

Also the inner working of a performance deal are explained.

The Swedes don't think ~USD 1 - 1.5M is the right price for mr P in a medium sized venue? (10K+)

Hmmm. At least they may be more careful than the others during the summer gigs (Berlin, Werchter, Nice, Geneva all had 'sales issues' in some form or another)

Problems for the swedes were that they didn't think they could fill a venue big enough in order to compensate Prince. But they worked hard, looked at smaller venues and maybe 2-3 shows (easier to validate high ticket prices). Globe arena wasn't an option (too big), but Cirkus was a close call as I understand it. Best small concert venue in Europe. Could have been a classic. Are you reading? I know you are.

stein74 said:

Problems for the swedes were that they didn't think they could fill a venue big enough in order to compensate Prince. But they worked hard, looked at smaller venues and maybe 2-3 shows (easier to validate high ticket prices). Globe arena wasn't an option (too big), but Cirkus was a close call as I understand it. Best small concert venue in Europe. Could have been a classic. Are you reading? I know you are.

udo said:

stein74 said:

Problems for the swedes were that they didn't think they could fill a venue big enough in order to compensate Prince. But they worked hard, looked at smaller venues and maybe 2-3 shows (easier to validate high ticket prices). Globe arena wasn't an option (too big), but Cirkus was a close call as I understand it. Best small concert venue in Europe. Could have been a classic. Are you reading? I know you are.

Hmmm. So it appears that P is pushing the ever moving envelope w.r.t. pricing versus venue size.
Yes, I am reading. Got Cirkus interior pics?

http://www.google.com/ima...mp;bih=922