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NY Times review of Prince show at the Hotel Gansevoort

http://www.nytimes.com/20...html?_r=1&


October 13, 2008
Music Review | Prince
Rocking and Acknowledging Signs o’ the Times
By JON CARAMANICA


On Friday the stock market concluded a brutal week, its worst in history, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average having lost almost 1,900 points, just under a fifth of its value. But were you still feeling flush, or maybe a bit oblivious, a familiar if rare indulgence was available in the rooftop loft at the Hotel Gansevoort in the meatpacking district: a concert by Prince. A hundred or so tickets for the almost claustrophobically small concert were, depending on how you looked at it, something of a steal — just $1,000.

It was for charity of course: Love 4 One Another Charities and Urban Farming, both with roots in Prince’s hometown, Minneapolis. And it doubled as a release party for “21 Nights” (Atria), a collection of glamour shots and photos of his 21-night stand at the O2 Arena in London last year. Depending on that state of your 401(k) there was also the option of a late-night jam session — a bargain, comparatively, at $300.

Not that Prince was deaf to the times. Moments into the early set he joked about the tough day, then he tweaked the lyrics of “1999” to reference the financial crisis: once an apocalyptist, always an apocalyptist. But he didn’t dwell. Over four virtuosic hours split between the two shows — attended by a sprinkling of celebrities (Dave Chappelle, Howard Stern, Spike Lee), a few rabid Prince fans and several dozen disposers of disposable income — he was by turns sensual, exuberant, raw and, in far rarer moments, indulgent and cautious. Prince may no longer surprise, but he still has the capacity to astonish.

The shows’ impact was intensified by its scale: Prince, three band members (not counting the harmonica player Frédéric Yonnet, who popped in and out), and two singers were crammed on a tiny elevated stage, playing in a room the size of a four-car garage. For the dour Prince of the late ’90s this might have been a suffocating setup, but in recent years — from 2004’s flexible “Musicology” to his sly performance at the 2007 Super Bowl — he has rediscovered some electricity and vigor of his early years.

In both sets he played “Purple Rain” — early in the night it was jagged and howling, but a few hours later, in a far looser rendition, it was languorous and breathy. Other repeats — “Cream” (better version: first set; firm and funky) and “U Got the Look” (better version: second set; unexpectedly greasy, with dashes of 1950s rock) — highlighted his effortless facility and that of his band. The drummer Cora Coleman-Dunham in particular was ferocious and had an easy rapport with the bass player Joshua Dunham, her husband. On keyboards Morris Hayes did yeoman’s work, becoming a virtual one-man horn section when needed.

If the group faltered at all, it was during the second show, which was filled with covers tied together by elongated jamming; the onstage comfort at times felt too insular. But overwhelmingly they were crisp, especially on the Rolling Stones’ “Miss You” and on a pair of extended-Prince-family Minneapolis gems: Janet Jackson’s “What Have You Done For Me Lately” (produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis) and a mayhem-inducing version of the Time’s “Jungle Love.” That Prince was confident in his crew was evident by just how much of the time he removed himself from the spotlight — feigning exhaustion as Mr. Yonnet played any of several exemplary solos; working a shaker while his backup vocalists, Marva King and Shelby Johnson, took over. Sometimes he wasn’t doing anything but watching, happy to be catching a good show.

“I’m just moaning like an old hound dog,” Prince joked during “Satisfied” early in the night. And blues do seem to be heavier on his mind now than at any time in his career. He followed that song with the hilarious “Beggin’ Woman Blues,” which borrows from two decades-old numbers, “Beggin Woman” and “Three Handed Woman.” (A zippier version of “Beggin’ Woman Blues” is included on “Indigo Blues,” a CD packaged with “21 Nights.”) Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock.

Midway through the late show Mr. Chappelle, the comedian, took over the stage for an impromptu set. And like everyone else he was giddy. “I played tambourine tonight at a Prince show — that’s the good news,” he said before settling down to reality: “The bad news is, I flew coach.”


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Reply #1 posted 10/12/08 10:02pm

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Reply #2 posted 10/13/08 2:19am

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Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
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Reply #3 posted 10/13/08 7:26am

2elijah

Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.



Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.
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Reply #4 posted 10/13/08 9:02am

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2elijah said:

Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.



Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.


Presicely!!!!! Prince IS always funny. Mayb this guy doen't understand humor! Or has ever cn Prince per4m! Humor is not Prince's strong suit FUNNY.LOL
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Reply #5 posted 10/13/08 9:17am

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Nice review. But waddaya mean Prince no longer surprises???

And does anyone else think it's funny that Prince performed in the "Meat Packing" district? No? Just me? Ok.
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Reply #6 posted 10/13/08 9:18am

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eek I hope he isn't referring to me as a "rabid" fan.... because if he is, i'm gonna kick his @$$
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Reply #7 posted 10/13/08 9:47am

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2elijah said:

Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.



Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.


CO SIGN!!!!! confused
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Reply #8 posted 10/13/08 9:52am

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myloveis4ever said:

2elijah said:




Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.


CO SIGN!!!!! confused


At the end of that statement the writer states..."it was a pleasant shock" Now that confirms right there that the writer has been out of the loop on Prince. They should have sent someone else to the concert that has a little more knowledge on Prince's performances, because it is obvious the writer doesn't have a clue.

Not to mention that he called fans there "rabid." when we didn't have any problems at the concert that I witnessed. Everyone was just having a good time. He probably had a run-in with one fan, and based his assumptions on other fans there.
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Reply #9 posted 10/13/08 10:02am

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I liked that little comedy skit/song he did on "beggin woman".

Typical Prince humor, but he was better than Dave Chappelle there. lol
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Reply #10 posted 10/13/08 10:07am

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I read this review in a thread somewhere else. Yeah, this person IS out of the loop with Prince. I have been, too. But from what I had seen in the videos of his music and a live show, Prince has a great sense of humor and he has a good time.
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Reply #11 posted 10/13/08 11:25am

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Thank you Funkteer for the wonderful news!

I am so happy for Princey, the Sweetest of Honey-Bunnies and Kittie-Cats...mushy
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Reply #12 posted 10/13/08 12:04pm

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funkteer said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/arts/music/13prin.html?_r=1&


October 13, 2008
Music Review | Prince
Rocking and Acknowledging Signs o’ the Times
By JON CARAMANICA


On Friday the stock market concluded a brutal week, its worst in history, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average having lost almost 1,900 points, just under a fifth of its value. But were you still feeling flush, or maybe a bit oblivious, a familiar if rare indulgence was available in the rooftop loft at the Hotel Gansevoort in the meatpacking district: a concert by Prince. A hundred or so tickets for the almost claustrophobically small concert were, depending on how you looked at it, something of a steal — just $1,000.

It was for charity of course: Love 4 One Another Charities and Urban Farming, both with roots in Prince’s hometown, Minneapolis. And it doubled as a release party for “21 Nights” (Atria), a collection of glamour shots and photos of his 21-night stand at the O2 Arena in London last year. Depending on that state of your 401(k) there was also the option of a late-night jam session — a bargain, comparatively, at $300.

Not that Prince was deaf to the times. Moments into the early set he joked about the tough day, then he tweaked the lyrics of “1999” to reference the financial crisis: once an apocalyptist, always an apocalyptist. But he didn’t dwell. Over four virtuosic hours split between the two shows — attended by a sprinkling of celebrities (Dave Chappelle, Howard Stern, Spike Lee), a few rabid Prince fans and several dozen disposers of disposable income — he was by turns sensual, exuberant, raw and, in far rarer moments, indulgent and cautious. Prince may no longer surprise, but he still has the capacity to astonish.

The shows’ impact was intensified by its scale: Prince, three band members (not counting the harmonica player Frédéric Yonnet, who popped in and out), and two singers were crammed on a tiny elevated stage, playing in a room the size of a four-car garage. For the dour Prince of the late ’90s this might have been a suffocating setup, but in recent years — from 2004’s flexible “Musicology” to his sly performance at the 2007 Super Bowl — he has rediscovered some electricity and vigor of his early years.

In both sets he played “Purple Rain” — early in the night it was jagged and howling, but a few hours later, in a far looser rendition, it was languorous and breathy. Other repeats — “Cream” (better version: first set; firm and funky) and “U Got the Look” (better version: second set; unexpectedly greasy, with dashes of 1950s rock) — highlighted his effortless facility and that of his band. The drummer Cora Coleman-Dunham in particular was ferocious and had an easy rapport with the bass player Joshua Dunham, her husband. On keyboards Morris Hayes did yeoman’s work, becoming a virtual one-man horn section when needed.

If the group faltered at all, it was during the second show, which was filled with covers tied together by elongated jamming; the onstage comfort at times felt too insular. But overwhelmingly they were crisp, especially on the Rolling Stones’ “Miss You” and on a pair of extended-Prince-family Minneapolis gems: Janet Jackson’s “What Have You Done For Me Lately” (produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis) and a mayhem-inducing version of the Time’s “Jungle Love.” That Prince was confident in his crew was evident by just how much of the time he removed himself from the spotlight — feigning exhaustion as Mr. Yonnet played any of several exemplary solos; working a shaker while his backup vocalists, Marva King and Shelby Johnson, took over. Sometimes he wasn’t doing anything but watching, happy to be catching a good show.

“I’m just moaning like an old hound dog,” Prince joked during “Satisfied” early in the night. And blues do seem to be heavier on his mind now than at any time in his career. He followed that song with the hilarious “Beggin’ Woman Blues,” which borrows from two decades-old numbers, “Beggin Woman” and “Three Handed Woman.” (A zippier version of “Beggin’ Woman Blues” is included on “Indigo Blues,” a CD packaged with “21 Nights.”) Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock.

Midway through the late show Mr. Chappelle, the comedian, took over the stage for an impromptu set. And like everyone else he was giddy. “I played tambourine tonight at a Prince show — that’s the good news,” he said before settling down to reality: “The bad news is, I flew coach.”


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Reply #13 posted 10/13/08 12:30pm

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Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s


whofarted where has the author been?
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Reply #14 posted 10/13/08 1:03pm

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Just a few things to share about Prince's since of humor: Back in 90-91 after-
show performancing "still would stand all time" from Graffiti Bridge sounded
like sheila & other members of the band were singing "still (COULD) stand all time" & after a few choruses prince says "it's (WOULD),not could," then you could hear band members giggle in the background. Another is prince perfoming
a love bizarre with sheila when prince asks jerome about a new dance he heard
about the oak tree & that we gone have to chop that tree down tonight(THE JOKE
IS THAT MORRIS DAY HAD A SONG CALLED OAK TREE AT THE TIME). Another is a song
called "pretty man"from Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic. And last but not least, arguably one of the best songs prince has ever done & in my opinion, the funniest, "Movie Star" from The Crystal Ball cd.
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Reply #15 posted 10/13/08 1:15pm

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Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.

no shit..p has always cracked jokes and poked fun during concerts.
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Reply #16 posted 10/13/08 1:27pm

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I'd like to here prince do another live performance of "Rave To The Joy Fantastic" like he did at a 1988 lovesexy aftershow. His guitar playing was so
wicked & groovy & buzz saw sounding & long. To this day, in my opinion, it's one of his best solos, one of my favorites anyway. It'd be nice to see him do
live all of if not most of his most rockin guitar tunes like "I'm Yours"/"Bambi"
/Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad"/"Another Lonely Christmas"/"Free"/"Little Red
Corvette"/"Let's Go Crazy"/"Temptation"/"The Question Of You"/Joy In Repitition"
/"Guitar"/"Lion In Juda"/"I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man"/"She's Always In My Hair"/"Strays Of The World". I havent heard the following songs yet, "Barcelona"/"EvulsidoG"/"Brazil", songs from "Gold Nigga" & "Expectation"
& "SlaughterHouse". Are these songs more rock, funk, jazz?
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Reply #17 posted 10/13/08 1:34pm

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Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.


Agreed! Anybody who is a Prince fan knows that he has a great sense of humor! disbelief @ that reporter.
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Reply #18 posted 10/13/08 2:58pm

viewaskew

PurpleRain747 said:

2elijah said:




Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.


Presicely!!!!! Prince IS always funny. Mayb this guy doen't understand humor! Or has ever cn Prince per4m! Humor is not Prince's strong suit FUNNY.LOL


Right. He no doubt got the job writing for one of the most respected newspapers in the world because he does not know what he is doing.

It's more likely that Prince is not all things to all people. Especially outside of the narrow confines of this web site. Prince can have flashes of humor, but he can also be heavy-handed & flat. Humor doesn't often work its way into his music.
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Reply #19 posted 10/13/08 3:02pm

viewaskew

marsean said:

Just a few things to share about Prince's since of humor: Back in 90-91 after- show performancing "still would stand all time" from Graffiti Bridge sounded like sheila & other members of the band were singing "still (COULD) stand all time" & after a few choruses prince says "it's (WOULD),not could," then you could hear band members giggle in the background.


So he'd been doing the same "joke" since the Lovesexy aftershows? It's also heard on the Small Club bootleg. Same setlist for three years. Same jokes for 3 years. No wonder the reviewer isn't surprised by Prince.
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Reply #20 posted 10/13/08 3:52pm

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Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.

4 real. eye think a fan would give a better review than just some n/p reporter. nod eye thinz they noez P better, eye seen better fan reviewz. falloff falloff Whut if they got hiz name wrong in tha article?
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Reply #21 posted 10/13/08 4:19pm

2elijah

viewaskew said:[quote]

PurpleRain747 said:



Presicely!!!!! Prince IS always funny. Mayb this guy doen't understand humor! Or has ever cn Prince per4m! Humor is not Prince's strong suit FUNNY.LOL


viewakew:


Right. He no doubt got the job writing for one of the most respected newspapers in the world because he does not know what he is doing.


So what's your point? I mean really, what is it? So this means the writer can't be wrong because he writes for the NYT? It's obvious the guy was surprised at Prince's humor because.. he apparently never attended enough shows to know that Prince displays his humor at many of his shows. Secondly, no one actually said the entire report was negative. People was just surprised that the writer apparently never seen Prince display humor at many of his shows.

viewaakew:


It's more likely that Prince is not all things to all people. Especially outside of the narrow confines of this web site. Prince can have flashes of humor, but he can also be heavy-handed & flat. Humor doesn't often work its way into his music.



You sound like you just opened a can of hateration soup complete with a side order of angry noodles. lol You're entitled to your opinion though, but others don't feel the same as you;as you just contradicted yourself with your own statement, while preaching to others that "Prince is not all things to all people." Well, didn't you realize that when you read the opinions of others on this thread? It's obvious just like you, we all felt differently about the writer's opinion regarding Prince's humor.
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Reply #22 posted 10/13/08 4:28pm

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This is actually one of the most positive reviews that I have seen for a Prince concert in the New York Times. I remember some horrible reviews for Prince's Avery Fisher Hall show on April 10, 2002 as well a a clueless take on Prince, Chaka And Larry Graham at Irving Plaza in April 1998.
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Reply #23 posted 10/13/08 6:10pm

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robertes71 said:

Nice review. But waddaya mean Prince no longer surprises???

And does anyone else think it's funny that Prince performed in the "Meat Packing" district? No? Just me? Ok.



lol lol lol lol
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Reply #24 posted 10/13/08 6:14pm

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robertes71 said:

Nice review. But waddaya mean Prince no longer surprises???

And does anyone else think it's funny that Prince performed in the "Meat Packing" district? No? Just me? Ok.



you're definitely not from NYC...BUT that was funny as hell...
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Reply #25 posted 10/13/08 6:21pm

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viewaskew said:

marsean said:

Just a few things to share about Prince's since of humor: Back in 90-91 after- show performancing "still would stand all time" from Graffiti Bridge sounded like sheila & other members of the band were singing "still (COULD) stand all time" & after a few choruses prince says "it's (WOULD),not could," then you could hear band members giggle in the background.


So he'd been doing the same "joke" since the Lovesexy aftershows? It's also heard on the Small Club bootleg. Same setlist for three years. Same jokes for 3 years. No wonder the reviewer isn't surprised by Prince.



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Reply #26 posted 10/13/08 6:23pm

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I agree, pretty good review given that one can't know what to expect from people reviewing bands that they know little about!
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Reply #27 posted 10/13/08 6:51pm

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2elijah said:

Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.



Exactly, it's obvious the writer hasn't been to many Prince concerts, because Prince always displays a sense of humor when he performs.


Actually Prince does not have to have another talent, he can pass without a sense of humor he is already doing several things most musicians don't, but he is naturally funny.
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Flo6 said:

Towards the end of the article the reporter writes:

"Humor has never been a strong suit of Prince’s, so hearing him sing “She begged my Aunt Gertrude/She even begged my Uncle Jake/She even tried to beg the sweetness out of my grandma’s lemon cake” was a pleasant shock."


Where has he been??!
New York Times, if you need a Prince critic/concert reviewer, you can call me.

I think it depends on a person's sense of what's funny. This reviewer doesn't think Prince is really a ha-ha man. That's fair. I don't either, truth be told. A lot of what other fans piss themselves giggling over is just kinda meh to me.
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Reply #29 posted 10/13/08 9:52pm

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marsean said:

Just a few things to share about Prince's since of humor: Back in 90-91 after-
show performancing "still would stand all time" from Graffiti Bridge sounded
like sheila & other members of the band were singing "still (COULD) stand all time" & after a few choruses prince says "it's (WOULD),not could," then you could hear band members giggle in the background. Another is prince perfoming
a love bizarre with sheila when prince asks jerome about a new dance he heard
about the oak tree & that we gone have to chop that tree down tonight(THE JOKE
IS THAT MORRIS DAY HAD A SONG CALLED OAK TREE AT THE TIME). Another is a song
called "pretty man"from Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic. And last but not least, arguably one of the best songs prince has ever done & in my opinion, the funniest, "Movie Star" from The Crystal Ball cd.


....and I lot of people just don't think moments like that are funny. It's not a big deal, really.

But leave it to M&M regulars to leap at the chance to attack someone who doesn't slavishly worship Prince's every move. rolleyes The way you folks are reacting to this guy not thinking Prince is usually funny, you'd think he just kicked a puppy. Chill.
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