Militant - you do know I don't actually think you would drown kittens don't you?

Mate, I don't know you either but when I saw your reply to drcoldchoke I wouldn't be human if I didn't draw a few conclusions... the same way you obviously drew conclusions about the guy when you read his post.

I wish you all the best for your musical future, obviously you are doing very well.( and keep my fingers crossed for small cats everywhere )

rise above dude, rise above

AndyUK said:

Thanks man. Appreciated. All it is, is that nothing makes my blood boil faster than when something says anything along the lines of wishing misery on someone, or hoping someone has bad luck for the rest of their life.

I think it's one of the most vile, nastiest things you can possibly say and anyone that says that kind of thing deserves to be called out on it. Maybe I went too far with it, but what if it was your mom, or your brother, or your sister, or your spouse, or your best friend that someone was saying that about and calling them names, you would react to that for sure and let it be known that you're not standing for it.

Lothan - damn you've been paying me some attention. There was nothing negative about that white teacher saying the 'N' word thread. It was hilarious, I'm sorry if you don't have much of a sense of humor but trust me, that shit was funny. Me and all my friend still laugh about it occasionally and watch the videos on YouTube. People remixed him saying it and put hip-hop beats on top and it got even funnier.

jarvis76 said:

Fine. Then don't charge for them up front! He wants his cake and eat it.

Do U think there's anyway we could co-ordinate ourselves & fight back @ AEG, regarding VIP/aftershow noshow etc.

MayB by getting 2gether in this way it'd B harder 4 our individual complaints 2 B brushed under the carpet?

What do U reckon?

NPGoperata said:

Agreed - I saw his 1st August show and thought it was off the wall especially with the 3 encores - Also I don't know about the back but i think he played a good amount of attention to all sides of the stage. I'm so glad I got Row R seats though simply because when I moved forward for the last encore and got to the part of the 'vip' seats I couldn't see Prince! so moved back to a few rows back and was awesome! As for the aftershow - I've heard mixed reviews and will depend whether on the night if I go or not - like PRince - he is an awesome artist and one of the best of our times - 21nights, all with different experiences - if you had a bad experience, go again and restore your faith...at £35 you can't go wrong

drcoldchoke said:

Fuck you. So a single bad experience at a concert suddenly means you can't enjoy his music and furthermore you feel you have the right to cuss him and call him names? You were never a fan in the first place, you piece of shit. Go ahead and delete your account, we don't want you and don't need you. After that outburst I think you need help. And if you don't delete your account you should be banned anyway. Asshole. You're full of shit, have absolutely no fucking grounds on calling him selfish, and majority of the aftershows have been excellent. As for the shows boring you, you obviously know jack shit about live performance and furthermore, music and musicianship. You'd probably say a G-Unit show was exciting.

How fucking dare you hope that he lives a "miserable life"? You want to go down that route? Fine - see how far that attitude gets you. Go and choke on some cold dick, bitch.
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drcoldchoke said:

And you are impressively arrogant, bitter and negative whereas I keep a positive attitude. It's called Karma. Perhaps that's why I'm doing a Radio 1 Live Session next month, headlined at Glastonbury in June and just signed a big new deal with Virgin Records.....whereas you are sitting at home calling Prince a prick. So who's really dull?

AWJ said:

"I am entitled to my opinion and you have no right to tell me what to do" - the standard line for someone with not much strength in his argument. Well, no shit Captain Obvious. Did I say you are not entitled to your opinion? Isn't it ironic that you claim I have no right to tell you what to do ,when a) I haven't, and b) that statement is completely pointless and fairly moronic since you are also trying to tell me what I can or in this case, can not, do. Way to invalidate a point.

Go ahead and insinuate that I am a fanatical follower who agrees with everything Prince does, I'm actually not, but I don't see Prince as having done anything wrong in this situation and especially not anything that warrants so much verbal abuse. And you are the one talking about what he would respect? Do you think Prince would respect people coming on and cussing him out for no reason? Don't try and justify what these people are doing and saying because there is no justification for it.

As for staring at the drummer's ass, well with an ass like Cora's I sho nuff wouldn't be complaining

The gig is in the round for fucks sake, the circle where the band are is lowered and Prince and the dancers regularly go all the way round and address the audience on that side, too.

As for the aftershow argument how many fucking times? He doesnt have to play there. He was never guaranteed to play at any of them. He's not a dog at people's beck and call to play at the aftershows. People are acting like they have some sense of entitlement because they payed 25 fucking quid for the afterparty. Guess what, that money is not going directly into Prince's pocket. Actually chances are it's paying for the support acts like Nikka and her band, Beverley and her band, Rashida, Dr John etc. Last Saturday it was understood that there had been problems and as such there would not be any live acts at the aftershow and hence people were offered the chance to swap their tickets for another night. No it's not ideal for people travelling far or only going to the one gig but what would you do in that situation?

Prince doesn't owe you shit. Standing around till 4 in the morning? It's a club with a bar, you're supposed to dance the music being played and get a few drinks, socialize a bit. If you have no concept of that then you must be a right barrel of laughs to hang out with.

Yeah he's making money from the shows....that is what we artists do. He ain't gonna do them for free is he? How the fuck does that make him greedy? Is every popular musician in the world greedy then? Most artists would charge a LOT more for a gig like this and you KNOW IT. I saw MJ in '97 and the tickets were damn near £80/90 if I recall. And he lipsynched the whole thing.

He is doing it for the fans, actually for music fans in general. He doesn't have to play arena's. He could play one club night a year for some celebs and businessmen and make more from that one night than he will for this entire London show. Look at the show he did in the Hamptons.

If that's all he ever did you might be justified in saying he's not doing it for the fans.

Militant - you do know I don't actually think you would drown kittens don't you?

Mate, I don't know you either but when I saw your reply to drcoldchoke I wouldn't be human if I didn't draw a few conclusions... the same way you obviously drew conclusions about the guy when you read his post.

I wish you all the best for your musical future, obviously you are doing very well.( and keep my fingers crossed for small cats everywhere )

rise above dude, rise above

YODAHENDRIX said:

Thanks, Yoda.

To all of those complaining about language...lighten up and perhaps read the initial post I replied to, dude was calling Prince a prick and saying he hopes he leads a miserable life? That is BANG out of order and if I would say something if someone said that about anyone I care about. I'm sorry if some of you are too passive to stand up for what you believe is right and what you believe is wrong....but I personally ain't having it.

Prince is a human being with emotions and feelings just like anyone and he does not deserve to be childishly insulted, called names and wished badly upon just because some idiot decided to act like a jackass because he didn't like his seat and didn't like the show. To that dude - nobody cares! Don't listen to him ever again if you don't want to, nobody is forcing you to, just like nobody forced you to go to the gig. But don't come here with that bitter hateful talk, you wanna talk about "big words" and how you'd like to meet me? Fine, and I'll say the same damn thing to your face.

Prince has done nothing wrong here. People can cuss Ticketmaster, AEG, O2 staff, whatever, I could care less.

But cussing the man himself when he is doing ALL of his European fans (and music fans in general) a favor by coming here and playing multiple dates at a low-cost that everybody can afford is so far over the line it's unbelievable. He didn't have to do it, but he did. Don't like it, then don't go. Feel angry at Ticketmaster for not being more clear regarding aftershows? Then phone em up in private and talk to them. I can not believe people have the audacity to come on here and badmouth Prince for no reason.

Goodness Gracious Me! What a row is all this? Lets stop it now; surely you are all lucky you can even GET to see Prince so many times. Many people aren't that lucky. Gawd knows why y'all feel like yelling and screeching at one another.

If you don't like him, don't go. If you do, do. He's doing his thing. If you don't like it, you can say you don't like it - but is there ANY need to get so damn aggressive!!?!?! People need to get a life. Like me! I went to see Prince last week, got so drunk I missed the 2nd half and probably threw up on a woman wearing a raspberry beret.

Of course I wrote to Prince himself and complained profusely about it, blaming him whole heartedly for allowing alcohol to be sold at his concert. And for making me enjoy myself so much. And for allowing people with Rasberry berets in the buidling. And for allowing people in the building. And for not playing every song he's ever written. And for changing words like sexual to spiritual. And for breathing.

Yarp!

Hehehehe, has Prince been confused with God somewhere along the way and I missed it??!!
Seriously how can someone blame him for a crap seat/sound/aftershow non appearance?? Complaining about the aftershow is ridiculous and not even worth arguing with someone about.
He is just a man after all, one that's knocking on a bit too nowadays so he's doing a damn fine job for us!! Why not stop moaning and be amazed by what you see when you're there.

(I happen to think he's a musical genius and probably am one of the misguided people that confuse him for God, I'm allowed to though, this is my post!).

Bailorin said:

good idea

Hehehehe, has Prince been confused with God somewhere along the way and I missed it??!!
Seriously how can someone blame him for a crap seat/sound/aftershow non appearance?? Complaining about the aftershow is ridiculous and not even worth arguing with someone about.
He is just a man after all, one that's knocking on a bit too nowadays so he's doing a damn fine job for us!! Why not stop moaning and be amazed by what you see when you're there.

(I happen to think he's a musical genius and probably am one of the misguided people that confuse him for God, I'm allowed to though, this is my post!).

Complaining about an aftershow where Prince/NPG or any other entertainment does not turn up like on the 11/08 is not ridiculous, its based on costing £25+fee per ticket, which is about £68,000 takings per gig for 2,500 people.

I take it when Prince and his management decide to do a tour, they bring him an itinery that he agree's too, he should only agree to what he can do, so why not do 5 aftershows that he attends rather than 20 and he turns up at 5, leaving people attending the remaining 15 anonoyed and cheated.

I've seen Prince gigs since 86 and I can't believe how people are defending him as if he had nothing to do with this, when he comes off stage at the O2 at 22:30, he knows there's 2500 fans who have paid £27.50 each to attend an aftershow at the Indigo, so he should be ready to go over later that night and perform for the people who paid to see him, I agree he probably can't do that everynight, but if thats the case, why did he agree to that and sell the tickets ?

I cant believe this thread has been going for so long...This is a Prince fan forum isn't it? Off the back of a few disapointed fans come loads of you putting ur two penneth in...It was only a few shows at the begining of the tour where the people purchasing VIP tickets did not know which seats they were sitting in... Ticketmonster soon rectified that and I feel pretty sure that they will compensate those people that want it...So why blame Prince? Do you think he's got time to organise the ticketing arrangements? I've been 3 times now and I've loved everytime...I thought about buying a VIP ticket but I had the sense to wait and see...I'm like that...I never had one ticket when the tour started and I plan to go at least twice more....Ur only sucked in if you wanna be...Tonights show was brilliant again, even better than before...I got to see the great man again, hear his mighty fine tunes and band, get down with my O2 neighbours, I even shook hands with David Ike and all for 31.21...I say hats off to the man like Prince... I still lurv ya! x

So if there was only 5 aftershows everyone would now be complaining how unfair it is that they couldn't get tickets as they would have sold out instantly.
Anyone that thought there was going to be 42 concerts just didn't think it through before buying their tickets.
Personally I see it as a great way to end the night on a high in a club with live music surrounded by people that share something in common, a serious appreciation of Prince.

We are halfway through, surely it's time to forget all the petty little things and just sit back and enjoy?????

frarnie said:

I am glad to hear you are enjoying the concerts. I am too and I do not blame P for the ticketing mess. I think the problem stems from the tickets being allocated as though the show is truly in the round with no front or back to the stage. But it was not only the beginning of the tour where VIP tickets were sold prior to seat numbers being specified. We have VIP tickets for the last night, purchased weeks ago but only allocated seats this week. They are round the back of the stage and are not as listed at the time of purchase 'the very best seats in the venue'. At this moment in time they are refusing to do anything about these tickets for the 21st September. All we want is for TM to honour their contract to provide us with seats where we can actually see the show. Is that too much to ask for?

you know what? I am sick and tired of all this crap! I am a big Prince fam. So far I have missed only one of the shows at the o2, and yes there have been seating issues, and aftershow disappointments, BUT, I think we are all losing sight of the main issue here : Prince is here in London and our tickets were just £30, and there is no-one better live. No-one. I suspect some Prince fams get so wrapped up in comparisons, expectations, critiques etc that they forget to enjoy the show. Personally I have loved seeing the hits being played this way - it's such a change - I loved ONA, and my favourite tour to date was LOVESEXY - but I think that this tour is showing that Prince is simply the best when it comes to live musicianship, crowd interaction and well just plain old hitmaking. I genuinely do feel honoured to see him live every single time.

As for the aftershow and main gig seating problems - I think that the issues here lie with AEG Live and Ticketmaster. My only criticism of Prince would be the issue regarding the 3121 article about last Friday/ Saturday. That seemed a bit off. BUT, that said, the DJ playing in the Indigo has been really good, and if you are out for a good night, the only thing that can stop you doing so is yourself.

Please everyone CHILL OUT and enjoy the shows. Imagine if you went to see some other artist, like Sophie Ellis Bexter for one, or Keane, or Scissor Sisters - it would be the same show every single night - no exceptions. Compare and contrast and then say that these Prince shows are not value for money. And remember that it really is not normal to go to multiple shows as so many of us do.

I hope for music's sake Prince does not take these messages to heart.

Militant said:

High 5 dude!

The gig is in the round for fucks sake, the circle where the band are is lowered and Prince and the dancers regularly go all the way round and address the audience on that side, too.

As for the aftershow argument how many fucking times? He doesnt have to play there. He was never guaranteed to play at any of them. He's not a dog at people's beck and call to play at the aftershows. People are acting like they have some sense of entitlement because they payed 25 fucking quid for the afterparty. Guess what, that money is not going directly into Prince's pocket. Actually chances are it's paying for the support acts like Nikka and her band, Beverley and her band, Rashida, Dr John etc. Last Saturday it was understood that there had been problems and as such there would not be any live acts at the aftershow and hence people were offered the chance to swap their tickets for another night. No it's not ideal for people travelling far or only going to the one gig but what would you do in that situation?

Prince doesn't owe you shit. Standing around till 4 in the morning? It's a club with a bar, you're supposed to dance the music being played and get a few drinks, socialize a bit. If you have no concept of that then you must be a right barrel of laughs to hang out with.

Yeah he's making money from the shows....that is what we artists do. He ain't gonna do them for free is he? How the fuck does that make him greedy? Is every popular musician in the world greedy then? Most artists would charge a LOT more for a gig like this and you KNOW IT. I saw MJ in '97 and the tickets were damn near £80/90 if I recall. And he lipsynched the whole thing.

He is doing it for the fans, actually for music fans in general. He doesn't have to play arena's. He could play one club night a year for some celebs and businessmen and make more from that one night than he will for this entire London show. Look at the show he did in the Hamptons.

If that's all he ever did you might be justified in saying he's not doing it for the fans.

AndyUK said:

It is not about getting over-excited. It is about not being passive and standing up for something that you believe is right. It is about making your feelings clear about something that is wrong. If you don't care, fine! Cool beans for you! Then why even come in here and offer your 2 cents....pointless 2 cents at that.

Hardly a stalker in waiting. I don't agree with everything Prince does, I don't think every single thing he does is amazing, hell he even shares my favorite artist spot with 2 other artists.....a certain Mr. Cobain and a certain Mr. Shakur (who incidentally, I made a BBC documentary about, last year).

You may have some issues of your own if you are so quick to judge another. Just remember, what goes around. I could sit here and judge you right now. But I'm not going to. I don't know you. I have seen a collection of words you have put together on a screen. I don't claim to know anything about you so if I was to pass a judgement it would hold no weight whatsoever.

If you enjoy acting childishly, throwing out negative vibes and judgements, making false insinuations in a failed attempt to perhaps stir my emotions or paint a picture of my character, keep at it. I hope it spiritually fulfils you and you will be better able to sleep tonight.

As for putting kittens in a bag and drowning them, I am a supporter of P.E.T.A alongside my bandmates, helped launch an entire new arm of the company by allowing them to run a competition in which viewers could win signed copies of our last release (through Sony BMG)....not to mention our de-facto band leader is in their sexiest vegetarians poll this year.....so I could never condone such cruelty to an animal.

Re-phrase your metaphor and I will consider giving it a serious reponse.

AndyUK said:

To answer your 4 questions - Yes. Yes. Yes. No.

Go ahead and tell your friends when you hear the session or see the CD...."yeah that rapper in this band loves Prince and defended him when people cussed him on a website".....somehow I think I'll still end up looking cooler in that situation.....while you might get some weird looks from your mates.

Militant said:

Wow, who woulda guessed, both a rapper and a mouthy, onboxious wanker - what are the chances of that!?

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