This makes no sense to me. This is supposedly the new end of Return of the Jedi. Does this mean in Episode 3 Anakin will actually die before he becomes Vader? I've heard it's possible The Emperor actually brings him back to life after the fateful duel with Obi Wan.

I just hope this is fake.

fake.

Anxiety said:

I REALLY hope so. I wouldn't put it past him though. This has been rumoured for awhile.

Example, this is defnately happening in the Empire Strike Back (i think this is a good thing though)


[This message was edited Tue May 18 9:23:12 2004 by Marrk]

Its definitely a fake. However, the rumour has it that Mace Windu, Qui Gonn Jinn and many of the other fallen Jedi will be added into the final scene.

As for the Emporer resurrecting him, that's an overstatement. He is near death, and the Emporer's medical droids repair him, placing him in the life supporting suit we all know and love.

I defnitely agree with adding Ian in as the Emporer in ESB. That does need to be done. Another rumour is that a scene with the Emporer and Bail Organa, in the original script but never filmed, will be added to Episode IV (this is the scene where the Emporer dissolves the Imperial Senate). There is also suppossed to be a shot of Bail on Alderaan, watching as the Death Star's beam shoots through the sky to destroy the planet.

I'm not wild about changing too much to these films. Additions are okay, as long as they don't go overboard, but too much can be very bad.

I'd be happy if they'd just go back to Han shooting first!!!

JediMaster said:

Poor Greedo always gets all the negative comments.

I agree with you on everything, JM. It would be nice to have those additional scenes, though.

JediMaster said:

the rumor has it that Han will shoot first again!:!!

Anyway i am thrilled about the possibilities of tweakings in the original trilogy to tie it together with the prequWe'll have the pleasures of the film on DVD plus some lill' extras to make the whole thing a new thing!!!!!

I've heard things like the fight between Obi and Vader in ANH has been tweaked (more stunts) and the saber's glow has been enhanced there too in the close up scene of Obi with his lightsaber poiting Vader.....


The first Anakin thing is fake to me because I am sure anakin will be aged a little (because if they show him young why not having a young Obi Wan?)

klaatu said:

That would be very cool.


Exactly.

NCC2012 said:

Obi Wan didn't turn evil though. Anakin did, i know he redeemed himself in the end. This is what is worrying/confusing me. Perhaps he will actually die. In AOTC Anakin did say to Padme "I will even learn how to stop people dying" (something like that). Perhaps the Emperor will show him how it's done.

Don't forget Vader's suit acts as a life support system to an extent, without it he IS dead!

Its always kinda bugged me that the prequels look more modern than the original films. I really wish they would have used the same kind of cameras and things... maybe the next movie will tie it all together, but it just looks odd to me. The special edition of Return of the Jedi just looks weird to me with the new scenes already.

I suppose it could be worse!

Marrk said:

the vader suit is like a huge lung for him. His life condition is sustained thanks to the suit but he does not die and resurrect, only symbolically.

The death thing is explained by the armor thing.

"always good at fixing things" he said.

VinaBlue said:

I was thinking the same thing recently when I caught episode II on HBO. It makes the feel of the movies seem so inconsistent.

Anyway, one change I would like for the DVD release would be an improvement on Jabba's CG in his scene in A New Hope. It looks like a shitty Dreamcast game as is.

VinaBlue said:

All this will be settled with thte DVD release. Lucas never stopped working in that spirit actually.

Look carefully at the Anakin picture sent by Marrrk look at the
anakin Ghost and you'll spot a ghost image that could be the former Anakin. this seems to be a photoshop work.

As for the Emperor thing the guy doesn't really look like Ian Mc Diarmid...

HobbesLeCute said:

the Jabba thing has been simply added as a '77 Jabba. They could have made it much better (I saw much more convinving previous designs actually) but that wouldn't have tied with the rest of the kitschish style of the film.

for other ehanced special effects Denis Murren said the same thing: they had to envision them as '77 CGI effects. That's why they look old fashioned.

No I am nt paid by Lucas to defend him!!!!

klaatu said:

But I did hear that they are working on this shot for a better, more fluid Jabba. Besides, Murren's argument never worked for me, since they went and re-did large chunks of the Death Star battle to improve the look of the whole thing

VinaBlue said:

Well, I always thought of it in terms that the prequels are from a more technological, elegant time. Episodes IV -VI are from a time when things are falling into ruin after decades under a Tyrannical rule. I guess that's just how I thought of it.

klaatu said:

I too have heard about some of these "tweakings", and they really don't bother me the way they do some people (as long as its not shit like Greedo shooting first!!!).

I completely agree about the whole thing about the Anakin shot. If they started old, and then became younger, it wouldn't be so bad, but it makes no sense for Anakin to be young, while Yoda and Obi-Wan are crusty old farts. I'm convinced this is a fake, and that Aint It Cool completely screwed up by showing this. I guess we'll know for certain when the DVDs hit the shelves.

Personally I'd like to see Lucas go all the way with the revamping of the original trilogy, but
make the 'original THX cleaned-up' versions available too as a collectors set (like what they
did with ET).

For the most part I liked the 'special edition' versions of the original trilogy, and I'd like to see
virtually all of the original special effects replaced on a kind of 'super special edition' release
(Heresy! I hear the purists cry!). But I say, just look at the new CGI footage created for the
attack on the death star in 'A New Hope'... you can actually follow the action, rather than it just
being a random collection of dogfights and flybys. The only problem is the new stuff shows up
all the old effects that they DID leave in.

BorisFishpaw said:

I kind of agree with you. Wouldn't mind Yoda being CGI in Empire and Jedi (and get rid of the Gremlin Yoda in The Phantom Menace too), same goes for the Rancor in Jabba's palace and the AT-AT walkers in the battle on Hoth too.

If they did this, they'd have to release the original theatrical versions on DVD to placate the screaming hordes of uber-geeks.

BorisFishpaw said:

Completely concur. Other than a couple of shots, the updates in the Special Editions were damned good (ESPECIALLY the Death Star battle). Still, the original theatrical cuts should be available as well. In case I haven't expressed it enough, the only real problem is THE BULLSHIT WITH GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST!!!! (ahem) On the whole, the films are improved (didn't care too much for the musical number in ROTJ, but the rest of the tweaking were great).

I can see how Lucas would want to tweak his films after a few years (just think of them as "director's cuts"). He's got the ability to do so, and a whole lot of filmmakers would love to follow suit. Kubrick continued to do new cuts of almost all of his films up until the day he died (unfortunately, the public at large will probably never see those versions). Likewise, Ridley Scott re-cut Alien last year, and has plans to do yet another cut of Blade Runner (it is rumoured that there are six different cuts in all of this film!!!)

JediMaster said:

The new Jabba is based on the one designed in Phantom Menace! The "first" tile he appears chronologically!!

Okay, I'm now more convinced than ever that this is a fake. Here's the AICN shot:



and here's the original:



Can you say "Photoshop"??

They just took Hayden's head and plopped it onto the original's body!

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!!!!
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klaatu said:

No problem with that. He looked a helluva lot better in TPM.

I agree.
The only things that come to mind in the special editions that I didn't like were...
Greedo shooting first (didn't look good, didn't make sense)
Han walking on Jabba's tail (really shoulda thought up a different solution)
and I agree on the removal of Lapti Nek (didn't mind the new song, but it was unecessary,
just shoulda tarted up the old song a bit).

Things I'd love to see changed in the future...

1. totally CGI the attack on the Death Star battle (the current remaining original effects shots
stand out like a sore thumb...and they look dated, and dare I say...a bit cheap) Same goes
for Return Of The Jedi.

2. In fact CGI ALL space based stuff, but keep the same basic 'shots' and composition.

3. Re-do Jabba in A New Hope so he looks like the ones in the other films (and NO walking on
his tail!...totally undermines his 'crime-boss' persona)

4. Greedo shoots first (obvious one)

5. CGI Walkers/Snowspeeder battle on Hoth. Again recreate most of the shots fairly faithfully,
but add a few more 'wow' shots and vertigo inducing flybys.

6. CGI Scout Walkers and Speeder Bikes on Endor. The problem with a lot of the old blue
screen work is that the scale against the backgrounds often doesn't feel consistent and there's
a lack of shadows and interaction the the backgrounds...easily solved with CGI.

7. Replace a lot of the old matt paintings with more three dimensional CGI work.

8. Get rid of some of the 'jumps' in A New Hope when Lightsabers are turned on or off, or
blast doors close quickly. Can be done very effectively now with some subtle CGI morphing.

I think I'll leave it there, before I get too geeky(er)

BorisFishpaw said:

You'll be satisfied then as i heard many chnages concern the areas you mentioned. But "que sera sera"...

Jedimaster the photoshop suspicion was on my mind before your post!!! Read further up!!!

Pretty slow for a jedi!!!!

JediMaster said:

Well, thank goodness!

Well I'm glad that's been debunked. Harry Knowles is a stupid fat wanker.

I'd like to see a much smaller CGI bikini in ROTJ.

Do you guys realize how many times I've seen Return of the Jedi at the theater?

I remember last count was 53. I went to see it every day for the longest time the year it came out. Psychooooo.....

gemini13 said:

I had to buy the videotape to get to that number. It was a lot cheaper.