madartista said:

exactamundo. y'see, some of ya'll are totally overlookin one obvious fact: the majority of the sick commentary being made over at that other site was bein made by a few disgruntled ex-orgers who were booted off the site for the very behavior that got them into trouble and were carryin it on over there.

yes, there were a few other orgers who were over there that weren't participating in that drivel.

yes, they should've spoken out about the stuff that was bein said about others over here.

no--and i do mean NO, the few who were over there and were unparticipatory in that environment should not be subjected to the same abuse as the ones who are genuinely responsible.

...but no. some of you are more satisfied in lumping everybody into the same little hole, the same little group. why?


mine.

personally i think that the only people who should be shunned are the ones that said things that make them shun worthy, or participated in such activities actively on that site: icenine, chemmie, teller, and aaron.

anyone else in my eyes seems to be innocent. many have said they did not see those posts, and i am inclined to believe them, as there is no proof they did, and i often don't see many many posts on this site.

also, many of the people who are looped into the guilt by association group are people that have really good track records about such matters, richard in particular.

that's my opinion

Byron said:

This is true. And on top of that, the site was supposed to stay a secret. I think once people found out, it blew up because they saw everything that got said within a day's time. That's not how it is on the org. We all have a kind of running dialogue that doesn't stop once the day ends. The fact that we stumbled on that site and all its contents all in one day, I think made it more intense had it not been a secret all along.

TRON said:

Excellent points...

cborgman said:

[Flame snipped. --Matt]
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

BUT OF COURSE!!! Jesus was way cool!!!

MD7 said:

What he [i.e., Jedimaster --Matt] said was particularly suprising wasn't it?

The things he said were among what I found most disturbing.
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MD7 said:

he [i.e., Jedimaster --Matt]made some really horrendous jokes, but specified they were jokes in the thread they were in. he also very much saw the error of it, apologized quite heavily, and made amends. i knowing dave as i do can also vouch, that yes, while the jokes were offensive, they do not in any way represent who he is a person.

but again, this is just my opinion.
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TRON said:

I hadn't really studied him too deeply, all I knew was he was hounding me as Jedimaster and TheGilman for pointing out some cold truths. As were you, but I take it you weren't a member of KKKuaidbowl?
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MD7 said:

I didn't know about it until the other day.

You and I had a bad day. We both said some things that weren't friendly. But I don't hold it against you. I would hope you wouldn't hold it against me either. It's over. We've both moved on from that point.

As I've said on other threads, there are different degrees of culpability. Everyone shouldnt be lumped together as being equally guilty.

It's up to each one of us to decide who we forgive and who we trust.

I dont think a public org trial does much good. They needed to be exposed and they were. I think that's enough for now.

Each one of us has to decide whether we accept the explanations given by those that claim innocence. There's some I believe and some I dont.

The reality is that there is some perceived guilt by association and nothing said is going to change that too much.

bkw said:

I agree 1 million percent, you fuckin' genius, you!

((that post was NOT pants ))

AnotherLoverToo said:

Btw, the post in your siggy by langebleu is pure genius.

bkw said:

i've been trying to put my conclusions on this into words all day, and haven't been able to in any coherent manner. you, mr. bkw, have summed up my thoughts in this very nice, concise post. thank you!

I haven't been properly briefed on this whole crap thing, but whatever Tron said, because he's a big Sweetums and I'm not in the mood.

Anxiety said:

Thanx Anx.

If you've been spared the details, consider yourself lucky.

TRON said:

I intentionally spared myself from the details ~ too many people I have respect and appreciation for seem to be involved. But I agree with TRON. Some seem to be taking the high road ~ which can be pretty confusing to figure out in the context of this whole mess. And, others want to keep fanning the flames. It was weird becuase the night this all began I had orgnoted Nathan (before it started) that the org really seemed to have a negative vibe. I logged off and came back a day later and whew!!! I think about when it is fun ~ Mardi Gras was GREAT FUN ~ the recent Tori and Bowie threads were as well. Many others of course, but~~~ I realized I haven't been coming to GD becuase it was feeling so bad lately. Several have made attempts at healing the wounds of this war with some success. Maybe we all need a little Winter thaw ~~~ but for now, I'm going to send hugs out to the people I love (you know who you are) and I'm going to the coolest websites in the world to get TRON'S perfect Birthday Present!!! maybe we can all at TRON's in ??? days!!! everyone ~~~ especially you TRON.

W.W.J.D.???


What would Jessica Do???

MostBeautifulGrlNTheWorld said:

MostBeautifulGrlNTheWorld said:

I don't know. What would she do?

TRON said:

Ima bout to start takin names and cap some ass fo sho

MostBeautifulGrlNTheWorld said:

I thought Tron was seeing if I needed a Willy Warmer. I know its cold my friend, but I can manage in certain areas.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Willy Warmer? I don't even want to know do I?

Voices of reason carry further than hate and prejudice

Exactly why I love most people on this thread.

Thanks Tron.

(L)

gooeythehamster said:

You're welcome. I hope it helped.