Why is it that whenever a gay man is on television he is either a designer (fashion, hair, furniture, etc) or a trend watcher (what's hot/what's not, who's in/who's out) or something equally materialistic and superficial? The gay guys on tv are always femme and are not indicative of ALL gay men. It's very annoying.

You forgot actors

S'called steriotypes

You're right, but remember that about six years ago gay men weren't on TV. Hollywood is SLOW like that.

madartista said:

visibility at any cost...

cborgman said:

Says the guy with new revealing avatar

madartista said:

But I also remember that once upon a time there were minstrel shows. Now, white actors no longer act in minstrel shows...black actors do. I hate that situation and I really don't want to see the gay population allow it to happen to them.

Some become President of the USA !!

PREDOMINANT said:

hee hee... revealing what?

the cartoon bug eyed avatar is much more revealing of who i am... this one is revelaing my sense of humor.

cborgman said:

It is unfair to call this individual (I cannot discern gender) “Bug eyed” they simply have a slight visual impairment.

PREDOMINANT said:

Pipe down you two...Please.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

I didn't think I was piping up

PREDOMINANT said:

Either way, it's best that avatar isn't discussed and just left to rot away into insignificance.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Why? You know him (err her?)

PREDOMINANT said:

How about because most of the gay people in the industry are those creative types?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Good point.

PREDOMINANT said:

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Yeah I'd like to see a gay truck driver who goes into bars and picks fights with men over women he has no desire to fuck.

You raise an interesting point, Sassy, and I think the minstrel show parallel is right-on.

Importantly, I don't think we should be so reactionary as to abhor all quirky, stereotypical images of gay men -- it's part of what makes us unique (which I'm rather proud of in some regard) and, in fact, some of us do naturally act like that. By learning to be embarrassed about those of us who lisp, gesture like girls or prefer runway shows and Potterybarn to, say, boxing or NASCAR, we're effectively relinquishing part of our self-determination. I sort of fit a more conventional "masculine" affect, but I rather hate that so many of us hold "straight-acting" as some sort of litmus test of value and conduct. What does it mean, anyway -- that we like to treat women poorly, fart to impress our buddies, wear bad shoes and shoot fags? That's not unlike ethnic minorities who used to fall into the trap of judging one-another on a capacity to look, sound and "act" white. Let's not go through that phase either.

On the other hand, there ARE those of us who simply don't act like Jack on Will & Grace. I think more important than being upset about guys like him being made more accessible to mainstream currency, we should be about the business of getting those of us who fit other archetypes more frequently seen as well. I personally don't get too much joy out of the one-dimensional hedonism and plasticity we so often allow ourselves to engender, but, like ethnic minorities, our public battle has got to be about establishing a respect for our comprehensiveness as much as "behaving" for the world.
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Because the mainstream media in general (ESPECIALLY TV) has no interest in gay men with a voice and something interesting or important 2 say unless they're protesting, or shouting it so they can be heard.

It's much more fun (not 2 mention easier) 2 show the muscle mary's in go-go shorts, collared slave bois, drag queens & twinkys during a Pride or Folsom Street Fair day.

Look! Look! Look at the fags in the funny clothes Mommy!!!

Well, that's my Im done.

bananacologne said:

Muscle Marys? I like that.

hmmm... where'd i ... put my...


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I think Aaron ought to have a TV show!

Let's see...

Aaron, a cynical, snappy gay professional and pillar of an online Prince fan community, has to find a roomie to cover the skyrocketing rent for his chic Soho apartment. He meets his match when this woman answers his classifieds ad:



...Chris, do you think this treatment has wings?
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Lammastide said:

Sofia rocks!!!

cborgman said:

bananacologne said:

Yuppers, you hit the nail on the head. Gay people are still a novelty - so-called "mainstream society" can't digest gay folks as three-dimensional people who can function alongside anyone else in a generic, copacetic manner without having to dress outrageously and scream "FAAABULOUS!!!" every three damn seconds. It's like in the early to mid '70s, when black people were "accepted" by so-called mainstream society, but only if they had huge afros, dressed like pimps and soul hoochies, and talked jive...because, you know, it was easier to see people who are "different" as entertaining stereotypes than it was to actually have to humanize and...GAK!...get to KNOW them.

Maybe 20 years from now, the role of gay folks in "mainstream culture" will be a bit more nuanced and flexible - 'course, I'll be too damn old to enjoy it by then, grumblefrunklebumblegrrr...

FAAABULOUS!

Lammastide said:

i am thinking he should be condemned to live with someone relentlessly upbeat and positive.

oh, and in the sitcom too...