NuPwrSoul said:

If my brother behaves like a boob, is he not still my brother?

Anxiety said:

Am I understanding this right when it seems as if being part of the Famdom is convenient on one's own terms?

ian said:

And that is pretty much what we're saying...

Anxiety said:

Am I understanding this right when it seems as if being part of the Famdom is convenient on one's own terms?

Supernova said:

This flirts with the dangerous presumption that whenever you have anything positive to say about Prince, you're somehow automatically a "fam", and when you have anything critical to say about him or his work, you're automatically "anti-Prince" across the board.

I'm sorry, I don't live in that (sur)reality.

Except that Anxiety said this:

Anxiety said:

It is reasonable, is it not, to ask how we arrived at such comments based on the original post that started this discussion? You don't feel it was a LEAP at all?

Ah, so you're anti-Prince then?

ian said:

You are asking for such a PINCH.

If you and me were at the club (Berlin), I'm sure I would've danced my behind off with you, my bad knee permitting me to get my groove on !

If you and me were at NPGMC having this dialogue, I would be just as passionate, because I believe that what happens here and what happens there should be kept on their prospective homefronts.

If the moderators over there refuse to act in some way regarding TPvision, then let them stew in their hypocrisy!
And if the mods are banning people for any reason other than "flaming", they are still hypocrites! Unfortunately, we will have to see how they handle this situation. If anything, TP's "warning" should be edited, deleted or whatever it takes to promote unity.

Supernova said:

This flirts with the dangerous presumption that whenever you have anything positive to say about Prince, you're somehow automatically a "fam", and when you have anything critical to say about him or his work, you're automatically "anti-Prince" across the board.

I'm sorry, I don't live in that (sur)reality.

Super!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What up, Supa!

Nothing I said "flirts" with anything. I straight out asked you a question. That being: since you said "If my brother behaves like a boob, is he not still my brother?" does this mean you consider yourself part of Prince's famdom at your convenience? - It was you who brought up the "brother" part. Technically the word is purely short for "family." It's a sincere, albeit unanswered, question. Why insert the word "brother" if we're all so anti-"fam"?

It's only those who have a problem with it who attach a negative connotation.

theblueangel said:

To be quite honest, I only skimmed the post at first and thought nothing of it.

Then I saw stymie's/cdaryl's response that basically said "I have something to say about this but I won't" which triggered in my mind that she found something objectionable, so then I re-read it more closely to see what the possible problems would be with the post.

(This is why I say if you want understanding, a possible option is to engage the post and respectfully point out the issues with which you are at variance. Otherwise, if you let it stand or if the moderators let it stand, then people who don't know or aren't familiar with or sensitive to certain issues will take those things for granted as being harmless.)

But here's my answer to your question BlueAngel, which I also posted on the thread at issue at the NPGMC:

Someone who is a long-time Prince fan who has gone to Prince concerts or Prince-related events should be used to being in the company of people from all walks of life, because Prince historically has attracted a very mixed crowd.

But I am not going to lie, I'm a long-time Prince fan and I live in New York City, which has some of the most visible and socially active gay communities in the country, and I still am uncomfortable if I am in a social setting that is predominantly gay.

That's just me being honest. I also recognize that my discomfort is my problem, not anyone else's and I do my best fight any sense of paranoia or irrationality and just have a good time with whomever I am with.

So while I can identify with the discomfort, I would never use the words that the writer of this post used. And I certainly would not invoke God to condemn or cast generalizations about others in expressing any discomfort, which is a personal problem.
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Grammar Edit.
[This message was edited Tue Sep 30 16:23:45 PDT 2003 by NuPwrSoul]

Supernova said:

Actually, you're right, I'm sorry. What you said doesn't flirt with an either-or mentality at all.

It WALLOWS in it.

My statement, to be painfully clear, meant that just because you don't agree with the words or deeds of any particular person or entity, it's not cause to reject the entirety of something for which you have an affinity.

My mother has some political views that I find really uncool. But she's my mother. I love her. And for every one thing on which we disagree, there are a hundred priceless things she's taught me throughout my life.

If someone you care about does something you thought was really stupid, do they suddenly become dead to you? Are they suddenly beneath reproach?

No?

Then reread:

If my brother behaves like a boob, is he not still my brother?

That's cool if you don't want to answer the question.

I just find it very odd that all the loudly, self-proclaimed anti-fams might sometimes use the phrase "my brother" as an analogy to Prince when it's convenient to suit their cause (whatever it may be).

Admittedly, that fam thing is corny as hell tho.

Supernova said:

Ummm...I did answer your question. Unless perhaps your question has more to do with semantics than it has to do with meaning, in which case whatever, you win whatever it is you're trying to win, because semantics mean fuck-all to me 9 times outta 10.

So are you saying that by virtue of being part of a fan community centered around Prince, his definition of "family" must automatically be adopted by us?

Maybe I need to start asking YOU some questions!

Supernova said:

Ummm...I did answer your question. Unless perhaps your question has more to do with semantics than it has to do with meaning, in which case whatever, you win whatever it is you're trying to win, because semantics mean fuck-all to me 9 times outta 10.

So are you saying that by virtue of being part of a fan community centered around Prince, his definition of "family" must automatically be adopted by us?

Nice effort. If you actually think that's what I said, you're not comprehending ANYTHING I said.

It's really not that serious. I got my answer.

Time for new frontiers...

First staircase on the left
Enter the "time" room
Enter "U Tell Us"
Go to "Member Connection"
Click on "Chicagonation NPGMC party review"...

Supernova said:

In other words, you don't know what the hell you're talking about either.

It's not that serious. Unless you allow it to be.

Anxiety said:

i understood all that 'nova said...she knows what she's talkin 'bout.

Supernova said:

If you're not going to make the effort to be clearer after I've wasted my time trying to approach your question as many different ways as I could imagine, then you're right - consider it forgotten.

I hope you ain't under any bridges I need to cross in the near future, 'else I'm screwed!

Anxiety said:

i understood all that 'nova said...she knows what she's talkin 'bout.