NuPwrSoul said:

If my brother behaves like a boob, is he not still my brother?

Anxiety said:

I still don't understand why what TPVision said should effect the Prince fan community. His experience is HIS experience. It was a monthly fan gathering...he could have danced by himself, for all I care. Why bash the club here, because of a Fan's reaction to a fan gathering!!

NettieSmiles said:

because he presented it as a "warning" to all other heterosexual males.

Because the club has a heavy-handed moderation policy, which is supposedly rooted in the concept of Love4OneAnother and Unity. This post is as divisive as they come, and nobody at the club cares. It says a lot.

I'd gladly post at the club, if they would let me. They have my money, but my opinion isn't wanted. I'm happy that people care enough about the discussion this topic can prompt to post it here so that I (and others who I presume would not otherwise be able to do so) can participate.

For what it's worth...my reply on NPGMC



I also reported the following to the moderator:

Sage said:

THEN SOMEONE SHOULD REPORT HIM TO A MOD!! Why bash the club because this is how HE FEELS about his experience at a FAN GATHERING!!?!?

NettieSmiles said:

Maybe because people who post on this site might actually engage face to face with this person (someone did). Those events are hardly the place for huge hangups...

NettieSmiles said:

I have reported it. We'll see where it leads...

NettieSmiles said:

This response troubles me. Nobody in this thread is bashing the club. Yet NPGMC dogma requires its faithful members to consider all criticism of its services as "complaining", "whining" and "bashing".

Bottom line: NPGMC is not a safe space for open communication, unless that communication is neatly in line with the moderators and proprietor of the site. Period.

I wonder how "relaxed" about moderating they'll feel at NPGMC if this guy decides to take matters into his hands at Berlin next month, and someone LITERALLY gets "bashed"?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Thanks for replying over there, Supa!

I mean, get some dialogue, some feedback started on the subject!

Sage was right...TPvision did "warn" heterosexual" males of what to expect...for that reason alone, the thread should be deleted. Has anyone reported it to a mod? If you haven't, then live with the consequences. If you have, then discuss how the mods handle the situation after the fact. If they don't delete it, then they are hypocrites, but it will NOT change how I feel about Prince and his music...and that's the truth.

Don't think this is of much interest, to be honest.

First. It has nothing to do with NPGMC. You cannot criticise the club based on a single post from a single member of the club. And unless you have confirmed that moderators have reviewed the post and allowed it to remain, you cannot claim that NPGMC are "allowing it to remain" as such - they may not be aware of it.

Second. Sure, this person made some ill-expressed comments. So what? If I pick any single Org username and look at their past posts, I'll find plenty of dumb moments that we could ridicule and laugh at. We all suffer from verbal diarrhea on occasion.

Third. Despite his clumsily-chosen words, what is the problem here? I'm a heterosexual male, and I wouldn't be particularly interested in going to a "Prince Fan Gay Night" either, thank you very much. This guy felt it was useful to alert people thinking of going in future - and it looks like he at least tried to be inoffensive in the words he chose. Give the guy a break.

There is far far worse stuff on the Org and on NPGMC that you could be making fun of right now. Waste no more time

Anxiety said:

but you've got him wrong, there Anxiety.

he's a modern day hero. he's got an open mind, knows gays, and didn't beat anyone up like so many other hetero men would have (in his estimation).


he is to be... commended.
































or did i mean condemned?

Anxiety said:

If my response troubles YOU, then YOU deal with it! Let's see if you have the balls to state how you feel over there...Supa did and that says a lot!! What are you afraid of??

YOU don't know me, Anxiety! Your comment is unfair and quite biased! Although you didn't call me a minion, it doesn't take much to figure out your implications.

ian said:

Ian, the event to which he is referring is NOT a "Prince Fan Gay Night".

It's a monthly event put together by a Chicago-based fan club, and it's all-inclusive.

There were several gay people in attendance last Sunday, including myself. This is what the individual found distasteful.

NettieSmiles said:

Like I said, I have reported it and we'll see where it leads.

The point of the dialogue on this thread isn't to change people's feelings about Prince and his music. The music stands on it's own, always has and always will. Even when Prince fails on human levels, the music will never fail...

Anxiety said:

Well, that's his perogative is it not? And when you say "several" - the impression given by his post was that homosexual people were the majority. Was that not so?

To make the leap (as you did in another post) and conclude that he is not only a homophobe but also a violent person liable to express his alleged bigotry through violence seems ridiculous to me, unless there is more that occurred at the club beyond what we've read in his post here.

With all due respect, I don't think it should be any gay fan's job to tailor their own experience to suit those of straight people who may have personal issues with being near gay people.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This is so true...

ian said:

NettieSmiles said:

Would you respond so combatively if we were at the club?

You're right. I don't know you. And it's for that reason that I don't have any reason to get into a passionate disagreement with you, Nettie.

You wanna know what I'm afraid of? Ask BlueAngel. Ask I'mNotJustSayin. There's no point in engaging in anything of substance over there. I made my complaint to NPGMC via e-mail and that was it.

I have reasons both intuitive and logistical for not engaging in the thread over there. If you wanna tell me how and where to write, you betta be putting me on a payroll soon.

I'm not saying that you or any other member of NPGMC is a "minion". We all have free will, and we're not owned by anyone unless we choose to be. I do worry sometimes that separations aren't made between the artist, his art, and the web of commerce and public relations that has been spun this year.

If I based my love of Prince's music on NPGMC or even the man's own behavior, you coulda found my Prince albums at the Goodwill years ago. Fortunately, art more often than not transcends its maker - at least in my estimation - so at least where I'm concerned, we WILL be leaving the music out of this discussion.

Again, I ask you - would you have responded to me the same way if we were at the club? Aren't you glad you can get it all out of your system SOMEWHERE?

ian said:

Personally, in terms of my beliefs and my views on life - I have no problem with homosexuality. Who is fucking who doesn't matter to me - what goes on in peoples' bedrooms ain't my worry.

However at the same time, I don't have any gay friends. I don't know any gay people outside of Prince.org. To be frank, I feel a little uncomfortable to see two men expressing their affection in public or on TV. Silly, I know. That's my own problem, my own hangup as a heterosexual male with a fragile heterosexual male ego. I don't hate gay people, but if I was going to an event and the crowd was going to be predominantly a gay crowd, I'd be glad of a warning in advance because I might not go. Nothing personal - I just wouldn't feel very comfortable. I'm fine with dealing with people on an individual level but I'm not quite ready to go into "The Blue Oyster" just yet.

I don't know much about this particular matter beyond what I read in the post, but it really seems like y'all are stretching for things to criticise here and demonising someone who, in fairness, chose his words with more consideration and political correctness than most here would, very probably. It looks like he is clumsily trying to avoid offending anyone - that's more effort than I would make

At the same time though, it does read like he's got sour grapes coz that girl wasn't into him

So should I not go to next month's event at Berlin, so the heterosexual males will feel more comfortable? Or is it okay if I'm there, as long as I "butch it up" a little?

You tell me. I promise not to delete you.

Anxiety said:

Of course you should go! Fuck him and his hangups - they are his problem, not yours.

nevermind... i'm not even supposed to be here
[This message was edited Tue Sep 30 18:54:10 PDT 2003 by Sage]

ian said:

And that is pretty much what we're saying...

It's also our prerogative (note the spelling, natch) to find his comments distasteful, is it not?

To make the leap (as you did in this post) and conclude that Anxiety was suggesting that he IS a violent person seems ridiculous to me, unless there is more that occurred in your brain while you wrote it beyond what we've read in this post here.

ian said:

Anxiety said:

If you and me were at the club (Berlin), I'm sure I would've danced my behind off with you, my bad knee permitting me to get my groove on !

If you and me were at NPGMC having this dialogue, I would be just as passionate, because I believe that what happens here and what happens there should be kept on their prospective homefronts.

If the moderators over there refuse to act in some way regarding TPvision, then let them stew in their hypocrisy!
And if the mods are banning people for any reason other than "flaming", they are still hypocrites! Unfortunately, we will have to see how they handle this situation. If anything, TP's "warning" should be edited, deleted or whatever it takes to promote unity.

Sage said:

You're confusing me...I'm going to warn my friends about you!!!

theblueangel said:

Oh, very clever Thanks for correcting my spelling, that's my argument utterly refuted I guess.

Except that Anxiety said this:

Anxiety said:

It is reasonable, is it not, to ask how we arrived at such comments based on the original post that started this discussion? You don't feel it was a LEAP at all?