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NinoSasgakagra
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Should marijuana remain illegal or should it be legalized?

What are your reasons and why is it illegal when alcohol is more dangerous?
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Reply #1 posted 07/29/03 11:45am

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LEGALISE smoker !
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Reply #2 posted 07/29/03 11:45am

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It should be legal, but it would probably be a good idea for there to be a limit in your system when driving, just like blood alcohol levels. I'm guessing heavy machinery and things of the like, as well...
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Reply #3 posted 07/29/03 11:45am

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Reply #5 posted 07/29/03 11:45am

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legalize it! I mean what's the point everyone does it anyway and the tax revenue could go to the same fund that the cigarette tax goes to.
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Reply #6 posted 07/29/03 11:46am

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INSATIABLE said:

It should be legal, but it would probably be a good idea for there to be a limit in your system when driving, just like blood alcohol levels. I'm guessing heavy machinery and things of the like, as well...

I agree.
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Reply #7 posted 07/29/03 11:49am

Ardeo

ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL!

I have a business to run you know wink

i cant have my clients choking in some cafe now...
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Reply #8 posted 07/29/03 11:51am

PurpleSarah

Imagine the quality control
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Reply #9 posted 07/29/03 11:53am

mrbungle

There is no way in Hell that this should be legal!!!madmad

Wait one minute. I'm so stoned I forgot that I love to smoke
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Reply #10 posted 07/29/03 11:55am

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PurpleSarah said:

Imagine the quality control


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Reply #11 posted 07/29/03 11:59am

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Reply #13 posted 07/29/03 12:00pm

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legalize! it's less dangerous than alcohol!
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Reply #14 posted 07/29/03 12:03pm

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I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high

Well it's the funk elastic
The blunt I twist it
The slammer five
Buddha fine
Funk on your desk, es'
Oh what you missed this
You got to bear witness
Catch a ho', and another ho'
Merry Christmas
Yes I smoke shit
Straight off the roach clip
I roll shit
Fold the blunt
At once
To approach it
Forward motion
Make you sway like the ocean
The herb is more than just a powerful potion
What's the commotion
Yo I'm not joking around, people learnin'
'Bout what they're smoking
My oven's on high when I roast the quayo
Tell Bill Clinton to go and inhale
Exhale
Now you the phunk of the Thai'
When I feel the effects

I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high
I want to get high, so high
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Reply #15 posted 07/29/03 12:03pm

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butterfli25 said:

legalize it! I mean what's the point everyone does it anyway and the tax revenue could go to the same fund that the cigarette tax goes to.





The difference is tobacco can only be grown in like three states to be able to get the quality it is therefore making it easily taxable by the government...If they legalized weed peeps could just grow it in there homes making it more difficult for the government to gain tax control... hmmm I wonder if they would ever legalize it for certain people/manufacturers to grow it and consumers to smoke it but keep it illegal for the average everyday Joe Schmo to grow their own.
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Reply #16 posted 07/29/03 12:04pm

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Legalize it!

Phillip Morris anticipated the legalization of marijuana in the late sixties. They came up with a package concept and marketing plan only to be disappointed.

The original reason for marijuana being illegal in america was because it was widely used by mexicans and this was just another way to persecute them.

What really prevented the leagalization of marijuana were big businesses like Miller and Du Pont. These businesses feared it being legalized because they thought it would affect their business. Miller fought against it because they felt that it would cut into alcohol sales. Du Pont being a manufacturer of paper feared the competetion that it would create within this industry, all pot heads know that a quater acre of weed is equal to 4 arces of trees.

The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.




I'm not adovcating the abuse of marijuana but it being used ocassionaly. It's a beautiful plant with lots of medicinal values that are constanly being overlooked.

FYI if the plant doesn't produce THC it's not illegal. THC is the chemical that they test for if it's not present it's just another weed. Believe it or not the U.S. Army grew crops of hemp in the first and second war, for military use, and no it was not for smoking at least that's what they say.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to make a point. boxed
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Reply #17 posted 07/29/03 12:06pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

Legalize it!

Phillip Morris anticipated the legalization of marijuana in the late sixties. They came up with a package concept and marketing plan only to be disappointed.

The original reason for marijuana being illegal in america was because it was widely used by mexicans and this was just another way to persecute them.

What really prevented the leagalization of marijuana were big businesses like Miller and Du Pont. These businesses feared it being legalized because they thought it would affect their business. Miller fought against it because they felt that it would cut into alcohol sales. Du Pont being a manufacturer of paper feared the competetion that it would create within this industry, all pot heads know that a quater acre of weed is equal to 4 arces of trees.

The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.




I'm not adovcating the abuse of marijuana but it being used ocassionaly. It's a beautiful plant with lots of medicinal values that are constanly being overlooked.

FYI if the plant doesn't produce THC it's not illegal. THC is the chemical that they test for if it's not present it's just another weed. Believe it or not the U.S. Army grew crops of hemp in the first and second war, for military use, and no it was not for smoking at least that's what they say.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to make a point. boxed

worship no need to apologize for a long post.. I agree!!!
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Reply #18 posted 07/29/03 12:07pm

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Reply #19 posted 07/29/03 12:09pm

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smoker weed everyday!
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Reply #20 posted 07/29/03 12:09pm

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cborgman said:

legalize! it's less dangerous than alcohol!




I still can't believe that we have establishments where individuals come drive to, park their car, go in and consume alcohol and leave under the influence operating that same vehicle... Come on , I drive fine stoned and I can admit I have no business behind the whell even after two drinks. I'm also a light weight. smile
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Reply #21 posted 07/29/03 12:12pm

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Cloudbuster said:

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Reply #22 posted 07/29/03 12:13pm

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legalize it. stupid government! mad
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #23 posted 07/29/03 12:15pm

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NinoSasgakagrachi said:

cborgman said:

legalize! it's less dangerous than alcohol!




I still can't believe that we have establishments where individuals come drive to, park their car, go in and consume alcohol and leave under the influence operating that same vehicle... Come on , I drive fine stoned and I can admit I have no business behind the whell even after two drinks. I'm also a light weight. smile



There really is no rational reason for this and believe me jack daniels can and does do way more damage than a bud of chronic.
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Reply #24 posted 07/29/03 12:16pm

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They should also create a National Smoke a Joint and Chillout Day. We'll create a long cypher across the world where everyone stands next to each other and puff puff pass! smoker
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Reply #25 posted 07/29/03 12:20pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

Legalize it!

Phillip Morris anticipated the legalization of marijuana in the late sixties. They came up with a package concept and marketing plan only to be disappointed.

The original reason for marijuana being illegal in america was because it was widely used by mexicans and this was just another way to persecute them.

What really prevented the leagalization of marijuana were big businesses like Miller and Du Pont. These businesses feared it being legalized because they thought it would affect their business. Miller fought against it because they felt that it would cut into alcohol sales. Du Pont being a manufacturer of paper feared the competetion that it would create within this industry, all pot heads know that a quater acre of weed is equal to 4 arces of trees.

The actual story behind the legislature passed against marijuana is quite surprising. According to Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes and an expert on the "hemp conspiracy," the acts bringing about the demise of hemp were part of a large conspiracy involving DuPont, Harry J. Anslinger, commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and many other influential industrial leaders such as William Randolph Hearst and Andrew Mellon. Herer notes that the Marijuana Tax Act, which passed in 1937, coincidentally occurred just as the decoricator machine was invented. With this invention, hemp would have been able to take over competing industries almost instantaneously. According to Popular Mechanics, "10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average [forest] pulp land." William Hearst owned enormous timber acreage, land best suited for conventional pulp, so his interest in preventing the growth of hemp can be easily explained. Competition from hemp would have easily driven the Hearst paper-manufacturing company out of business and significantly lowered the value of his land. Herer even suggests popularizing the term "marijuana" was a strategy Hearst used in order to create fear in the American public. "The first step in creating hysteria was to introduce the element of fear of the unknown by using a word that no one had ever heard of before... 'marijuana'" (ibid).

DuPont's involvment in the anti-hemp campaign can also be explained with great ease. At this time, DuPont was patenting a new sulfuric acid process for producing wood-pulp paper. "According to the company's own records, wood-pulp products ultimately accounted for more than 80% of all DuPont's railroad car loadings for the next 50 years" (ibid). Indeed it should be noted that "two years before the prohibitive hemp tax in 1937, DuPont developed a new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was an ideal substitute for hemp rope" (Hartsell). The year after the tax was passed DuPont came out with rayon, which would have been unable to compete with the strength of hemp fiber or its economical process of manufacturing. "DuPont's point man was none other than Harry Anslinger...who was appointed to the FBN by Treasury Secretary Andrew MEllon, who was also chairman of the Mellon Bank, DuPont's chief financial backer. Anslinger's relationship to Mellon wasn't just political, he was also married to Mellon's niece" (Hartsell). It doesn't take much to draw a connection between DuPont, Anslinger, and Mellon, and it's obvious that all of these groups, including Hearst, had strong motivation to prevent the growth of the hemp industry.




I'm not adovcating the abuse of marijuana but it being used ocassionaly. It's a beautiful plant with lots of medicinal values that are constanly being overlooked.

FYI if the plant doesn't produce THC it's not illegal. THC is the chemical that they test for if it's not present it's just another weed. Believe it or not the U.S. Army grew crops of hemp in the first and second war, for military use, and no it was not for smoking at least that's what they say.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to make a point. boxed







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Reply #26 posted 07/29/03 12:23pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

They should also create a National Smoke a Joint and Chillout Day. We'll create a long cypher across the world where everyone stands next to each other and puff puff pass! smoker






there are a few events like this one of them is the Great AMerican Toke Out... also the 420 day celebration which originated at on the date of APRIL 20th in SF at an address 420 sumfin street (I forget) at 4:20 pm... theres more to it but I'm drawin a blank...
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Reply #27 posted 07/29/03 12:25pm

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Reply #28 posted 07/29/03 12:26pm

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I said this in a post a while ago...I work for a police department in the San Francisco bay area. I would much rather deal with someone high on weed than someone high on alcohol. Alcohol is so much more destructive IMHO. Drunks are the biggest assholes...spitting and pissing on themselves, always wanting to fight. Most of our physical altercations are with drunks. But peeps high on weed...mellow fellows.
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illimack said:

I said this in a post a while ago...I work for a police department in the San Francisco bay area. I would much rather deal with someone high on weed than someone high on alcohol. Alcohol is so much more destructive IMHO. Drunks are the biggest assholes...spitting and pissing on themselves, always wanting to fight. Most of our physical altercations are with drunks. But peeps high on weed...mellow fellows.







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