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Thread started 06/15/03 1:12pm

REDFEATHERS

Let's Discuss, who is responsible - Us, or the Parents

Ok...I think this could be interesting because after some posts on my threads, I cannot be held fully responsible for anyone posting, reading, orgnoting or contacting or meeting up with people on the Org.

People have to be responsibe for themselves, parents should be held responsible for their children.

There are worse things that happen in real life, Child Porn, Rape, Murder...some people are sick, and it really saddens me, but what goes on here, I see as a friendly community on a Prince website.

The content in this site, forums et all, is contributed by people who like or are familiar with Prince music.

In his earlier songs, he has sung about incest, sex, love, war, fucking...too many things to list. I listened to his music as a teen, does not make me irresponsible. Does that however make Prince irresponsible? No it doess not. Neithert should we be made to feel guilty or irresponsible having a laugh and posting (whatever we are posting) on this site...

..Luckily Prince.Org has moderators who can have some level of control...what happens behind the scenes, in orgnotes, e-mails, phone calls, meet ups, they do not control. That is up to the individual, and anyone meeting or contacting a minor must be responsible for their own actions, that is the way it is...


So that is my twocents
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Reply #1 posted 06/15/03 1:20pm

REDFEATHERS

Anyone wanna add, contribute, disagree?
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Reply #2 posted 06/15/03 1:23pm

AnotherLoverTo
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Good thread...I just orgnoted matt, since he's the legal guy here, asking him what the Org's policy is on offers of sex and/or sex talk directed at underage Orgers (or those claiming to be underage).

Obviously, parents should be ultimately responsible for what their kids read/are exposed to on the Net. However, it's impossible to monitor your kid 24/7, and no matter how good of a parent one is, kids will always have their secrets. So for that reason, society needs general laws to protect its people from abusing/taking advantage of each other--especially minors, who might not be mature enough.

On the other hand, there are obviously jokes going on that have no harm intended. BattierBeMyDaddy, for example, can dish out and take insults or sex talk better than most adults!

That's why I think it's a good idea to ask matt what the Org guidelines are...
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Reply #3 posted 06/15/03 1:31pm

AnotherLoverTo
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Looks like matt logged off, and without reading my orgnote.shrug At some point, I think it would be a good idea to get an official word from the Org.
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Reply #4 posted 06/15/03 1:33pm

REDFEATHERS

Yes totally..but do you know what? We know the ages of HRB and Battier, whatabout other kids, maybe younger that do not disclose their ages?

What about older people that may have convictions of sex crimes...the whole thing is really scary, but I cannot, or should not stop what I enjoy, just incase someone who I do not know of reads my words.

There are very mature teens here, and I expect very immature adults...age is a concern regarding minors but someone who is 35 (say) who has the mentality of a teen, we cant control what we post here or what they read.

So where does one really draw the line??
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Reply #5 posted 06/15/03 1:35pm

REDFEATHERS

AnotherLoverToo said:

Looks like matt logged off, and without reading my orgnote.shrug At some point, I think it would be a good idea to get an official word from the Org.


ian did mention quite recently that this site does have adult content and is aimed at adults but he himself cannot control teens using Prince.Org...

..Whichever way, if we had to disclose our age here when registering, that may help, but any kid who wants to get onto a site...adult content or not, they will surely find a way.. shrug
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Reply #6 posted 06/15/03 1:39pm

AnotherLoverTo
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REDFEATHERS said:

Yes totally..but do you know what? We know the ages of HRB and Battier, whatabout other kids, maybe younger that do not disclose their ages?

What about older people that may have convictions of sex crimes...the whole thing is really scary, but I cannot, or should not stop what I enjoy, just incase someone who I do not know of reads my words.

There are very mature teens here, and I expect very immature adults...age is a concern regarding minors but someone who is 35 (say) who has the mentality of a teen, we cant control what we post here or what they read.

So where does one really draw the line??


I don't think this is so much about freedom of speech, as much as actually directing offers or sexual talk towards those we believe are underage. We should be able to write whatever we want in these forums, but perhaps steer clear of directing invitations to those who claim to be underage?

On the otherhand, how do we prove they really are not adults? HRB might actually be an adult...or 14, as she says. Battier might be 17...or 15... I guess we have to go by what they tell us. The real crime probably doesn't occur until it's an actual person-to-person meeting, with the adult trying to sexually abuse the minor.
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Reply #7 posted 06/15/03 1:46pm

REDFEATHERS

Totally, but there were never any sexual offers or invites in my thread, I said "Fantasy"...I never actually made a list of my own lol

People fantasise about pop stars actors etc...amd we are kinda like little celebs in our own right. When it does get out of hand is when those sexual offers/invites are made real, on a one to one basis, by orgnote, e-mail or other way.

Anything I choose to talk about is said publically on the Forum, where it is public and can be monitored and witnessed by others...anyone who is offended may contact the moderator or the moderator will close/delete the thread, or snip the posts.

But we do face offending, being offended in such a large community, we will not all agree on the same things.

I get very offended by blasphemous people saying expletive things regarding God etc... We cannot please everyone.
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Reply #8 posted 06/15/03 1:47pm

DORA

PARENTS ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN ON THE INTERNET..!!!


i have a 13 year old that was online last night in her room beyond the 30 minutes i STATED that she could be... SHE HAS LOST IT FOR A WEEK... no more online and i ALWAYS have access to her account... i check out the cache file... she has been very good.. and has never accessed sites that she SHOULD NOT BE ON... and keeps intouch with friends from new england via instant messaging... no way in hell would i think about allowing her access to the web without checking in and making sure she is not only safe but not acting like some little shit... my kids are more into reading then the internet but i believe thats because of the relationship we have given them and the direction we have taken the responsibility to guide them in...disinterest in childrens acces to the internet is like allowing them to go hitch hiking...
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Reply #9 posted 06/15/03 1:52pm

REDFEATHERS

DORA!!! hug kotc
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Reply #10 posted 06/15/03 1:54pm

AnotherLoverTo
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REDFEATHERS said:

Totally, but there were never any sexual offers or invites in my thread, I said "Fantasy"...I never actually made a list of my own lol


I know, and I wasn't saying that you made any sexual offers or anything like that. I was just trying to make it clear what the difference between "okay" and "not-okay" is in my own mind, as far as what crosses the line in talk between adults and children online.

For the most part, I totally agree with you.
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Reply #11 posted 06/15/03 1:54pm

CAMILLE4U

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This site is for Prince fans. And all Prince fans I'm sure are famillier with sex, masterbation, incest, the work fuck, seamen and a whole host of other things. (not discrediting Prince, he was a wild child but he'd changed and good on him) so I think it's fair to put anything we want on here. The org has it's own set of rules.

I don't think we should just ban anyone under the age of 18 or whatever from joining, I think that should be the individuals choice, but they must be prepaired for this unpleasentness.

It is up to parents to be aware of what their children are being subjected to but it's up to the compaies producing adult material to assist the parents in this.
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Reply #12 posted 06/15/03 1:57pm

DORA

CAMILLE4U said:

This site is for Prince fans. And all Prince fans I'm sure are famillier with sex, masterbation, incest, the work fuck, seamen and a whole host of other things. (not discrediting Prince, he was a wild child but he'd changed and good on him) so I think it's fair to put anything we want on here. The org has it's own set of rules.

I don't think we should just ban anyone under the age of 18 or whatever from joining, I think that should be the individuals choice, but they must be prepaired for this unpleasentness.

It is up to parents to be aware of what their children are being subjected to but it's up to the compaies producing adult material to assist the parents in this.




nod


xactly...
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Reply #13 posted 06/15/03 2:01pm

REDFEATHERS

wave em...so I am not responsible for other peoples kids...huh? falloff
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Reply #14 posted 06/15/03 2:02pm

CAMILLE4U

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REDFEATHERS said:

wave em...so I am not responsible for other peoples kids...huh? falloff


No honey.
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Reply #15 posted 06/15/03 2:08pm

AnotherLoverTo
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But if someone comes on here and says they're 10, 12, 14 yrs old, I think we have to be careful of what we say to them in case that minor takes it too seriously or the authorities step in...

Again, it would probably be best if Ben speaks for the Org on this though. shrug I'm just trying to see it from all perspectives, not taking anybody's side or anything.
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Reply #16 posted 06/15/03 2:09pm

REDFEATHERS

AnotherLoverToo said:

But if someone comes on here and says they're 10, 12, 14 yrs old, I think we have to be careful of what we say to them in case that minor takes it too seriously or the authorities step in...

Again, it would probably be best if Ben speaks for the Org on this though. shrug I'm just trying to see it from all perspectives, not taking anybody's side or anything.



What people dont see here is how responsible I am in orgnotes, e-mails etc...concerning this topic we have discussed...
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Reply #17 posted 06/15/03 2:11pm

AnotherLoverTo
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REDFEATHERS said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

But if someone comes on here and says they're 10, 12, 14 yrs old, I think we have to be careful of what we say to them in case that minor takes it too seriously or the authorities step in...

Again, it would probably be best if Ben speaks for the Org on this though. shrug I'm just trying to see it from all perspectives, not taking anybody's side or anything.



What people dont see here is how responsible I am in orgnotes, e-mails etc...concerning this topic we have discussed...


From what I can see on this thread and the other one, you've been very responsible and mature about the whole thing, Red. Don't worry! hug
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Reply #18 posted 06/15/03 2:13pm

CAMILLE4U

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AnotherLoverToo said:

But if someone comes on here and says they're 10, 12, 14 yrs old, I think we have to be careful of what we say to them in case that minor takes it too seriously or the authorities step in...

Again, it would probably be best if Ben speaks for the Org on this though. shrug I'm just trying to see it from all perspectives, not taking anybody's side or anything.


I won't start talking dirty to just anyone, especailly if their profile says they're under 16. None of us will. But once u get to know someone and they know not to take u seriously it's a bit different.
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Reply #19 posted 06/15/03 2:21pm

REDFEATHERS

AnotherLoverToo said:

REDFEATHERS said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

But if someone comes on here and says they're 10, 12, 14 yrs old, I think we have to be careful of what we say to them in case that minor takes it too seriously or the authorities step in...

Again, it would probably be best if Ben speaks for the Org on this though. shrug I'm just trying to see it from all perspectives, not taking anybody's side or anything.



What people dont see here is how responsible I am in orgnotes, e-mails etc...concerning this topic we have discussed...


From what I can see on this thread and the other one, you've been very responsible and mature about the whole thing, Red. Don't worry! hug


Thanx, hug fact is, I never made a list on my thread, but I am not blaming anyone, cos I started the thread, purely for fun.
Look at some of the threads...some that are "naughty" get more responses than some "clean" threads so it shows clearly what people want/like to post..we are here to chill out have fun, not to corrupt, hurt or flame people.

Maybe some who are not aware of age etc...but like Battier and HRB, they may post on other threads and ahat they choose to post is their own decisions, I believe they are mature and I know for a fact that HRB is not a stupid adolescent.

I also know for a fact that some people over the age of consent have chased around the world meeting a fellow orger, for relationship/love only to be let down...so really, whatever age, we can all be responsible/irresponsible, foolish and mature, that is life and human nature...it is what makes us, us...

It is when people break the law or play with peoples minds/hearts that I hate completely mad
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Reply #20 posted 06/15/03 2:24pm

matt

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AnotherLoverToo said:

Good thread...I just orgnoted matt, since he's the legal guy here, asking him what the Org's policy is on offers of sex and/or sex talk directed at underage Orgers (or those claiming to be underage).


Thanks--I've contacted Ben and the rest of the .org moderators to discuss this issue, because I do think there are some valid concerns here.

Just to clarify, I don't have an attorney-client relationship with the .org... but when legal issues arise, I do contribute what I can in light of my education and experience.
Please note: effective March 21, 2010, I've stepped down from my prince.org Moderator position.
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Reply #21 posted 06/15/03 2:29pm

CAMILLE4U

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matt said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

Good thread...I just orgnoted matt, since he's the legal guy here, asking him what the Org's policy is on offers of sex and/or sex talk directed at underage Orgers (or those claiming to be underage).


Thanks--I've contacted Ben and the rest of the .org moderators to discuss this issue, because I do think there are some valid concerns here.

Just to clarify, I don't have an attorney-client relationship with the .org... but when legal issues arise, I do contribute what I can in light of my education and experience.


Am I gonna be arrested boxed
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Reply #22 posted 06/15/03 2:30pm

REDFEATHERS

What I mentioned in an orgnote that whatever my GangBang thread created, it has opened up a good thing that we should be made aware of, as we are all mature adults and concerned about such things raised here...so I do not regret anything said or posted. big grin
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Reply #23 posted 06/15/03 2:30pm

REDFEATHERS

CAMILLE4U said:

matt said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

Good thread...I just orgnoted matt, since he's the legal guy here, asking him what the Org's policy is on offers of sex and/or sex talk directed at underage Orgers (or those claiming to be underage).


Thanks--I've contacted Ben and the rest of the .org moderators to discuss this issue, because I do think there are some valid concerns here.

Just to clarify, I don't have an attorney-client relationship with the .org... but when legal issues arise, I do contribute what I can in light of my education and experience.


Am I gonna be arrested boxed



Lmao!!! Awww hug falloff
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Reply #24 posted 06/16/03 12:15am

origmnd

If someone says they're 13 or 15 wouldn't
u get turned off ANYWAY? If u continue to spew sex talk to them U should question your own mind.

If someone lies (most likely) about their age and u meet up to bump U'll see if they are old enough. Post here if u meet anyone underage and lies about it--and then they can change their name and start cycle again.
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Reply #25 posted 06/16/03 3:46am

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The org is for adults, as per the standards of California and Michigan, where the org's "entity" exists. So, that means 18 years old. You are technically not allowed to register if you are not 18. Unfortunately this is not enforced at this time, but will be in the near future... I just seem to have never quite finished the code for the check. It should be fixed within a couple of weeks.
ben -- "the prince.org guy"
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Reply #26 posted 06/16/03 7:28am

REDFEATHERS

worship Thank you ben, much appreciated!
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Reply #27 posted 06/16/03 7:32am

Muse2noPharaoh

origmnd said:

If someone saysthey're 13 or 15 wouldn't
u get turned off ANYWAY? If u continue to spew sex talk to them U should question your own mind.




You would have thought that! shrug
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Reply #28 posted 06/16/03 7:45am

REDFEATHERS

Muse2noPharaoh said:

origmnd said:

If someone saysthey're 13 or 15 wouldn't
u get turned off ANYWAY? If u continue to spew sex talk to them U should question your own mind.




You would have thought that! shrug


Muse rolleyes I am sure they do...
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