So, here is the big question:

Why is it that fuckers will believe that god is talking to them or other people if the message is all warm and fuzzy but they will call others liars because god does exactly as god did in the Old Testament and demands blood?

HYPOCRISY!

IceNine said:

Can we start with the religious folk?

Cloudbuster said:

How about with all the smokers?

IceNine said:

EUREKA.!

IceNine said:

Prophecy sent me to the House of a 1000 Corpses, eh? Ahhh... it is all becoming quite clear to me.

Continue to enlighen me.

hmm...you DO make a valid point there...

what was that movie where the guy told his children to kill because it was GOD's will...

he could see the evil they did when he lay his hands on them but everyone thought he was crazy

in the end his son had "the gift" as well

it has the guy from the hurricane movie in it as the lead

that one really made you think

IceNine said:

Either way - that must make Willie Nelson a prime suspect.

LaVisHh said:

I think we'll do alright killing ourselves.

Cloudbuster said:

Excellent Watson!

Anybody that knows me knows that stories like this make me absolutly fuckin sick. People are very very cruel and fucked up in this world. And i really dont'want to hear about people are mentally sick etc.. Then you should not be allowed to reproduce. Why do children have to suffer.. I hope someone ties that bitch to the back of a car and drags her ass across a glass ridden road.

I know that is cruel.. but she deserves to be tortured the way her children were

IceNine said:

Because everyone wants to justify their actions.

DORA said:

That is what really bugs the fuck out of me about some christians!

Here is a list of my previous points and I would really love it if a believer could address these points in an elegant and articulate manner:


If people honestly believe that this imaginary god creature speaks to them, why do they find it so hard to believe that this imaginary god creature speaks to those who do crimes because god told them to do it?

Why is it that people are more likely to believe that god would say nice things to people but would never command them to kill anyone when we know from reading the bible that he commanded Abraham to kill Isaac? He sent plagues... killed the first-born sons... etc.

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It is EXACTLY as likely that this imaginary god spoke to this killer as it is that this imaginary god spoke to anyone else in the history of humanity. You would all accept that god spoke to her if she decided to dedicate her life to helping the poor in America, but you won't believe her when she kills for him.

Maybe she is the real believer, as she follows god's will without question and maybe those christians who disbelieve her are an abomination in the eyes of god, as they would disobey the commands that they are given.

If you believe in god, you should follow whatever god tells you to do... if he tells you to kill, you KILL. God has commanded it in the past and it will do so again. If you do not obey, you can look forward to a nice, long swim in a lake of fire.

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It is convenient to disbelieve when anyone says that god told them to do anything that you don't agree with and believe everything that people say if it is warm and fuzzy. The very real fact is that it is 100% exactly as likely that god spoke to this woman as anyone else and it is impossible to prove otherwise. Saying that this woman could not possibly have been spoken to by god also invalidates any and all claims that god has spoken to anyone else, as there is no evidence in any case where some delusional person has claimed that god spoke to them.

Do you believe that god has spoken to any human in the past? If so, why do you not believe this woman? What makes the warm and fuzzy stories credible while the woman's story is so unbelievable to you? I submit that anyone who believes that god speaks to them is mentally ill.

it's a touchy subject when it comes to mentally ill people.

sometimes they dont get the help they need and end up falling through the cracks of the system

some people are really good at hiding their illness until the day they finally snap and end up doing something like this woman did.

Once again...way to go Icenine. God and the Devil?? What a pile of crap! When it's all good, it's Gods' doing, but when it's bad, it's the devil. How do you people believe in such nonsense??

pimpdoutt said:

Frailty with Bill Paxton & Matthew McConahey (sp?)

kisscamille said:

I think Bender is actually talking to these people. He's impersonated a deity before, and he's repeatedly stated that he wants to kill all the humans. That Bender is dangerous, I tell ya!

I've stressed this before on the org.

Spell check:

God - Good
Devil - Evil

Characters designed as metaphors for the forces of good and evil.

IceNine said:

oh now you are going a bit too far..

elegance maybe

articulate... naaa


your asking that someone explain why the moon is suspended above the earth

or give rational to eve being the mother of all


neither is an argument...

but maybe two false positives make it true
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kisscamille said:

I will never be able to comprehend how people believe that shit at all. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either.

kisscamille said:

I agree to a certain extent. Since I do believe in God, as well as other supernatural beings, it is possible that someone could "hear the voice of God". HOWEVER, I think the vast majority of people like to use God, or the Devil, as a scapegoat. If God exists, then he gave us a free will. If someone were to hear a voice telling them to kill someone, regardless of whether it was God or not, they are still the one's responsible, for they are making the choice to do what the voice says. Ultimately, this woman chose to kill her kids. She may be mentally ill, but she was the one who chose to do the deed.

JediMaster said:

Another way to look at this is this:

She is a true believer and is righteous in that she did not question the will of god. She followed the command from god even though he demanded that she kill her children. She earned an honored place in heaven for her obedience and loyalty to god.

IceNine said:

That is what suicide bombers believe.

IceNine said:

Belief in a supreme being is not on the same level as belief in the Easter Bunny. I believe in God, because I have personally witnessed much evidence to support his existence. We all know that a giant bunny who lays eggs is really fairly unlikely (unless you personally have evidence to the contrary.

You know I respect you, Ice, but in this we just don't agree. Much of history may seem like fairy stories when viewed from a sceptical viewpoint, but that hardly invalidates them as history. In your view, the Bible reads like a fairy tale, but I've read far more fantastical tales even in modern times. We live in an age when people have flown to the moon in tin-foil covered rokets, and magical bullets take out presidents in Dallas.

JediMaster said:

We have mutual respect...

Now... I believe that god is nothing more than a GIANT Easter Bunny who allegedly hopped around creating planets, stars, life, evil, torture and pain.

IceNine said:

But this is actually in contradiction with what Christ taught. It is a misnomer, that even many Christians have, that we are suppossed to have blind faith. Christ taught the power of faith, but he also taught people to question, and to "weigh the spirits".

This type of thinking (that we should never question what we believe) is what has created a bad name for many religions around the world, since time began. People in power like to use religion as a tool to keep the populace in line, and they instill fear of eternal damnation into their followers. This is most definitely at odds with Christ's teachings (and in fact, he threatened those that used God for their own political gain with the same damnation that they were using against the people). A woman killing her own children, for whatever reason, would not gain her a place in heaven (especially since Christ taught that their was only one way into heaven). This woman was a sick individual, and she is using God as a scapegoat for her actions, plain and simple.

IceNine said:

And you are entitled to believe that. Just understand that not all of us who believe are nutjobs who will follow a giant bunny!

This woman is EXACTLY the kind of person who has given religion a bad name. If I'm right, and there is a God, then I think he's going to have words with a whole lot of people who have chosen to use his name as an excuse to kill, maim, torture, opress etc.

JediMaster said:

The idea is this:

If you HONESTLY believe that god is telling you to do something, you better fucking do it... we know that god can get pretty fucking pissed off according to the bible.

We know for a fact that delusional people who believe that god speaks to them really DO believe that they are hearing the voice of god. These people really ARE doing the will of god and they are righteous in their actions.

The actions of a child murderer who kills for god are based in as much fact as the actions of a person who feeds the homeless because god tells them to do it.

I think you just convinced me I want to be a Theology student!

I am going to look into a masters in Theology. I may need your help with term papers.

Muse2noPharaoh said:

You very well might.