I wanted to see Keaton as Bat, too, but I like people saying they're not supporting Ezra Miller even though every discussion on the movie's failure has 50% contrarians arguing regular people don't know nothing 'bout Ezra Miller.

Some people were saying they buy Spider-Verse tickets and sneak in to see Flash, that sounds like a solid course of action.

They should've given us Batgirl and shelved this instead. I'd assume Keaton had a bigger role in that one, PLUS Brenden Fraiser as the main baddie c'mon.

ShellyMcG said:

Full disclosure though, I'm not a big fan of superhero movies in general.

lolwut? Didn't you have an entire thread dedicated to superhero movies like a couple months ago? You seemed like you've seen a solid 85%-90% of the modern ones, for someone who doesn't like them.

Anyway I thought I wasn't a big fan of superhero movies in general, but your re-categorization of yourself is prompting me to adjust myself to: I despise superhero movies.

I love comic books. I love a good movie. Childhood me if you told me the future was going to be all my favorite comic heroes and more dominating the box office release schedule I'dve been so hyped, but this is the ultimate be careful what you wish for Simpsons monkey paw Twilight Zone worst case scenario that could have ever been hypothesized.

Comic nerds always whining outside media doesn't respect their art, well how 'bout trying to respect the art of cinema for once and tell a decent story with solid characters. All these reviews, I know which nerd reviews to discard right out the gate. Any review where they start talking about the stupid costumes and outfits in the first sentence it's a terrible film no matter how many times they write, "I dunno, I was entertained, I had fun."

There's been some great super hero movies, sure. Unbreakable is an incredible film. The first Spider-Verse is an example of what should be the bare miniminum for audiences: characters you genuinely care about and stories you want to see unfold. Miles Morales and Uncle Aaron are on the same level as Peter Parker and Uncle Ben, and that's all character. Then it's got all the usual over-the-top action/multiverse shit that is then enhanced by all these great characters... But most of these movies are just awful, awful, awful, awful.

Yeah the first X-Men was solid, you can see why that literally sparked the modern comic book movie boom, now that X2 is def. Top 5-10 material. Hype philosophical stakes there. The first two Batman movies, well, 30+ years later and you see Tim Burton has carved out basically his own genre/style/following, so of course a real artist made them. The first one is horrifically boring and you could tell he was either restrained in a lot of his direction or maybe wasn't confident enough, but Batman Returns is such an overlooked masterpiece with the tragedy of the Penguin and the duality of the Catwoman/Batman romance and the whole gothic tone/aesthetic.

I watch a lot of YouTube reaction videos and I was psyched this recent one with this alternative style girl she was like floored, "Why does NOBODY talk about the romance in this movie! That was just... amazing!" I'm like, sing it, sis. Jack Nicholson eh, I love Jack, but he's great in his movies because plays Jack Nicholson in every movie. Whether he's doing the Joker or The Witches of Eastwick or The Departed he's dynamic 'cause he's Jack.

Anyway these are like 5 movies. You say your kid keeps you up to date, isn't MCU on like Phase 11 by now? Those reaction vids clog up my feed, too, there's gotta be over 25-30 movies there. Winter Soldier was okay I guess but look at what it's sandwiched between. I had a little brother once who is now over 18, so at one point in time I saw a bunch of these lame movies probably for similar reasons your kid keeps you up with the new ones. Like I said, 85% are just awful.

Tobey Spidey sucked. Andrew Garfield might be a tad better, actually, those were unfairly maligned. Tom Holland... just... make it stop. Make it stop. And these nerds saying he should play reboot Marty McFly.... pleasemakeitstop. Miles Morales is the only movie Spidey worth acknowledging.

My snobbery is based on knowing these characters and stories all have the potential to be great because the comics were so great. And the ones we highlight as superior, always bring it with the characters and stories. Friggin' dialogue callbacks, remember call backs? "You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it," "But a kiss can be even deadlier... if you mean it." CHILLS on that scene, why is Batman Returns so underrated my word my goodness.

[Edited 6/28/23 3:36am]

With both Titanic and James Cameron in the news again there is also his appearance on The Howard Stern Show promoting Titanic where he says he was going to direct Spider-Man immediately after Titanic finished but the studio couldn't secure the rights. Says he was going to cast Leo as Peter Parker, says he was hyped to make it, loved the comic books as a kid.

https://youtu.be/KZLfiqwrDnA?t=1000

[Edited 6/28/23 4:01am]

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah the first X-Men was solid, you can see why that literally sparked the modern comic book movie boom, now that X2 is def. Top 5-10 material. Hype philosophical stakes there. The first two Batman movies, well, 30+ years later and you see Tim Burton has carved out basically his own genre/style/following, so of course a real artist made them. The first one is horrifically boring and you could tell he was either restrained in a lot of his direction or maybe wasn't confident enough, but Batman Returns is such an overlooked masterpiece with the tragedy of the Penguin and the duality of the Catwoman/Batman romance and the whole gothic tone/aesthetic.

I watch a lot of YouTube reaction videos and I was psyched this recent one with this alternative style girl she was like floored, "Why does NOBODY talk about the romance in this movie! That was just... amazing!" I'm like, sing it, sis. Jack Nicholson eh, I love Jack, but he's great in his movies because plays Jack Nicholson in every movie. Whether he's doing the Joker or The Witches of Eastwick or The Departed he's dynamic 'cause he's Jack.

Anyway these are like 5 movies. You say your kid keeps you up to date, isn't MCU on like Phase 11 by now? Those reaction vids clog up my feed, too, there's gotta be over 25-30 movies there. Winter Soldier was okay I guess but look at what it's sandwiched between. I had a little brother once who is now over 18, so at one point in time I saw a bunch of these lame movies probably for similar reasons your kid keeps you up with the new ones. Like I said, 85% are just awful.

Tobey Spidey sucked. Andrew Garfield might be a tad better, actually, those were unfairly maligned. Tom Holland... just... make it stop. Make it stop. And these nerds saying he should play reboot Marty McFly.... pleasemakeitstop. Miles Morales is the only movie Spidey worth acknowledging.

My snobbery is based on knowing these characters and stories all have the potential to be great because the comics were so great. And the ones we highlight as superior, always bring it with the characters and stories. Friggin' dialogue callbacks, remember call backs? "You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it," "But a kiss can be even deadlier... if you mean it." CHILLS on that scene, why is Batman Returns so underrated my word my goodness.

[Edited 6/28/23 3:36am]

ShellyMcG said:

Am3121 said:

ShellyMcG said:

Just think of the one liners and spider-based puns. I'm getting Mr Freeze flashbacks

ShellyMcG said:

I've seen it. I didn't like it. Full disclosure though, I'm not a big fan of superhero movies in general. I know you've already spolied a few things for yourself already but I don't want to spoil anything else for you in case you decide to go see it. But I don't think it's a spoiler to say that the movie has a bunch of cameos and in my opinion they are both the best thing and the worst thing about the movie. Barry Allen, AKA The Flash, is not really interesting enough to be the lead in a movie. At least on this evidence. So I never felt invested in anything when he was on screen. Michael Keaton's Batman is definitely the big highlight. I recently went back to watch all the old Batman movies with my son and I'm glad I did because there are one or two references to those movies that I wouldn't have understood otherwise. But, while it's nice to see them referenced, it also feels very forced. As do some of the cameos. I was speaking to my cousin about it though and she's a massive fan of certain characters who have cameos and she was delighted to see them represented. And my son was REALLY excited to see these characters show up. But it wasn't for me. Which leads me to believe that if you're a DC superfan or you're a 10 year old boy, you'll love it LOL The ending, which I hope has not been spoiled for you, almost made the whole movie worth seeing. It's just so random and stupid that it's actually genius. And would actually make me want to see a sequel. So make of that what you will. [Edited 6/27/23 2:23am]

The character is but the actor Ezra Miller is a horrible choice for the role. Plus hollywood can't write a good story for a DC movie. Best bet is just to watch DC animated movies instead of the live movies

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ShellyMcG said:

You thought those effects looked good? I'm glad you liked the movie but if you think those effects were awesome then I think you may qualify for a guide dog

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