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Thread started 03/30/23 12:07pm

ShellyMcG

Recording Without Permission

I've been asked to edit this thread slightly so I figured I'd just remove direct references to specific people and specific incidents and instead just leave it as a general "what would you do in this situation" type of thing.

So, you see someone recording you on their phone. They're not hiding the fact that they're doing it and are actually right up in your face. What is the correct way on handling this kind of situation?
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Reply #1 posted 03/30/23 1:48pm

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After the last five years. there have been even more crimes reported here in Germany since the influx of "refugees".

Most of the accused don't have a legal citizenship.

How is it in Japan?

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Reply #2 posted 03/30/23 2:08pm

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A foreigner grabs a Japanese guy's phone and breaks it – in Japan? Yeah ... that's not going to turn out well – no matter how justified it might have been.

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Reply #3 posted 03/30/23 2:57pm

ShellyMcG

nayroo2002 said:

After the last five years. there have been even more crimes reported here in Germany since the influx of "refugees".


Most of the accused don't have a legal citizenship.


How is it in Japan?



Last time I spoke to her, prior to today, she never mentioned any issues. So I'm not sure?
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Reply #4 posted 03/30/23 2:58pm

ShellyMcG

Genesia said:

A foreigner grabs a Japanese guy's phone and breaks it – in Japan? Yeah ... that's not going to turn out well – no matter how justified it might have been.



He didn't do himself any favours by threatening to kill the guy right in front of the policeman. Which was, admittedly, very stupid. But I think he was justified in his reaction.
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Reply #5 posted 03/30/23 3:04pm

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Wow,Shelly,dear.

Have you ever been out of the house?

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Reply #6 posted 03/30/23 3:42pm

ShellyMcG

nayroo2002 said:

Wow,Shelly,dear.


Have you ever been out of the house?



I don't understand what point you're making.
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Reply #7 posted 04/01/23 9:54am

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Oh no. Emma is a good friend of mine. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything will turn out ok.

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Reply #8 posted 04/01/23 12:37pm

ShellyMcG

kpowers said:

Oh no. Emma is a good friend of mine. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything will turn out ok.



Yeah she's mentioned you before. She's ok. She was a bit shaken up at the time though. As far as I know they're not taking the matter any further with her husband so it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup.

The whole thing made me think though. What are you supposed to do in that situation?
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Reply #9 posted 04/02/23 12:55pm

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ShellyMcG said:

kpowers said:

Oh no. Emma is a good friend of mine. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything will turn out ok.

Yeah she's mentioned you before. She's ok. She was a bit shaken up at the time though. As far as I know they're not taking the matter any further with her husband so it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup. The whole thing made me think though. What are you supposed to do in that situation?



In the states it's called a restraining order but I don't much about it. From what I understand, it's a court order that states that a person can't be within so many feet of the other person.

Not sure how it works in Japan but hopefully they now understand that her other half isn't having it.

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Reply #10 posted 04/02/23 1:51pm

ShellyMcG

S2DG said:



ShellyMcG said:


kpowers said:

Oh no. Emma is a good friend of mine. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything will turn out ok.



Yeah she's mentioned you before. She's ok. She was a bit shaken up at the time though. As far as I know they're not taking the matter any further with her husband so it's all a bit of a storm in a teacup. The whole thing made me think though. What are you supposed to do in that situation?



In the states it's called a restraining order but I don't much about it. From what I understand, it's a court order that states that a person can't be within so many feet of the other person.

Not sure how it works in Japan but hopefully they now understand that her other half isn't having it.



Yeah, I've been asked not to go into too much detail but hopefully it won't happen again now that they've seen him.

It's a scary situation though, I'd say. I honestly don't know how I'd react. I'd like to say that I'd kick the guy between the legs or something but realistically speaking, I probably wouldn't. More than likely I'd just cower indoors (more than I already do) until it all blows over.
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Reply #11 posted 04/02/23 8:41pm

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Answering in as general as possible, in most of the USA you have no expectation of privacy from being recorded either by city closed circuit cameras, private business's or public people with their phones. In most cases, if a person actually touches you without your consent, you can have them arrested for assualt and maybe the camera footage would be used in court if it goes that far.

This post has been modified from its original thought. It has been formatted to fit into the space and run in the time allotted.
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Reply #12 posted 04/03/23 2:34am

ShellyMcG

89Flowers said:

Answering in as general as possible, in most of the USA you have no expectation of privacy from being recorded either by city closed circuit cameras, private business's or public people with their phones. In most cases, if a person actually touches you without your consent, you can have them arrested for assualt and maybe the camera footage would be used in court if it goes that far.




CCTV and security cameras are one thing but going right up to someone and recording them on your phone is surely considered harassment, no?
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Reply #13 posted 04/03/23 12:09pm

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The first time i recorded without permission was in 1982 with a Radio Shack cassette recorder held to the left speaker when "Billie Jean" was on Casey Kasem's American Top 40.

Ta-Da-Bum! biggrin

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Reply #14 posted 04/03/23 12:38pm

ShellyMcG

nayroo2002 said:

The first time i recorded without permission was in 1982 with a Radio Shack cassette recorder held to the left speaker when "Billie Jean" was on Casey Kasem's American Top 40.


Ta-Da-Bum! biggrin



lol
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Reply #15 posted 04/07/23 10:33am

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It depends on the state. Most states in the US a person can record a phone call they are on without notifying or obtaining consent. These are called single Party States.


The 2 party states are: California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington. (some having variations and exceptions)

The rest are one party states. And I assume the law would apply based on the state of the calls origin.

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Reply #16 posted 04/07/23 10:42am

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As it is the case with the states laws vary from conuntry to country.

But if someone tells you the call is being recorded all you can really do is hang up.

In some cases it may be in ones best intrests to not hang up...as you may not get whatever you need to do resolved at that time. But it seems it would not be illegal (sans some prior agreement that one agreed to as might be the case in a probation case or some kind of legal hearing to be conducted over the phone.)

Also some states and countries that allow recording with or without consent may prohibit the publcation of such calls.

I would suggest if someone is recoding you that you take steps to record them too! (just know the law where you are.)

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Reply #17 posted 04/07/23 3:20pm

ShellyMcG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

As it is the case with the states laws vary from conuntry to country.

But if someone tells you the call is being recorded all you can really do is hang up.



In some cases it may be in ones best intrests to not hang up...as you may not get whatever you need to do resolved at that time. But it seems it would not be illegal (sans some prior agreement that one agreed to as might be the case in a probation case or some kind of legal hearing to be conducted over the phone.)




Also some states and countries that allow recording with or without consent may prohibit the publcation of such calls.

I would suggest if someone is recoding you that you take steps to record them too! (just know the law where you are.)



Thanks for the info. This particular question was in relation to something different though. I realise now that the edits I made to the original post make it hard to figure out what I'm talking about so that's my bad. The type of recording I'm talking about is not recording of a phone call. My original post referenced an incident involving someone I know who lives in Japan who was experiencing what I would consider to be a form of harassment. Basically, people were recording her with their phone cameras. I can't really go into more detail than that.

But it got me thinking about how I would react if the same thing happened to me. Like, where does the law stand with this kind of thing? If you stick up for yourself, can you get in trouble? The law probably differs from country to country though so it's probably an impossible question to get a definitive answer to.
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Reply #18 posted 04/08/23 1:13pm

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Well when it comes to filming without permission you have different laws for different countries (and different laws within a country such as states and districts). So those who allows it views anyone in public can be shot without permission. So an example would be that I'm a toursit in London and I'm just recording downtown London on my cell phone. I don't need everyone permission in the background, and I think we all can agree on that. Then you have harassing some one, which you would have to prove and once again all depends where you live. I've seen a lot of people getting arrested for trying to shoot videos of women by trying to shoot up their dressess (sick bastards). Then you have following some around in public and filming them. I'm guessing if some one is constantly following you around I guess you could claim stalking (once again going to have to prove it in court) When filming you they bump into you (could argue assualt). Once again all depends on te laws in where you live

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Reply #19 posted 04/08/23 2:21pm

ShellyMcG

kpowers said:

Well when it comes to filming without permission you have different laws for different countries (and different laws within a country such as states and districts). So those who allows it views anyone in public can be shot without permission. So an example would be that I'm a toursit in London and I'm just recording downtown London on my cell phone. I don't need everyone permission in the background, and I think we all can agree on that. Then you have harassing some one, which you would have to prove and once again all depends where you live. I've seen a lot of people getting arrested for trying to shoot videos of women by trying to shoot up their dressess (sick bastards). Then you have following some around in public and filming them. I'm guessing if some one is constantly following you around I guess you could claim stalking (once again going to have to prove it in court) When filming you they bump into you (could argue assualt). Once again all depends on te laws in where you live



Hey, thanks for your help. I don't think they were doing anything perverted. I fucking hope not anyway. But I guess it could be considered a form of stalking?
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Reply #20 posted 04/10/23 1:18am

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Was most likely prevoited, but prevoited or not the best way to counter any potential phone stranger recording unease is recording the person back. It's literally turning the tables. Shout that you're live streaming now even if the phone's on the home page. Similar concept, quid pro quo, Clarice.

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Reply #21 posted 04/10/23 2:26am

ShellyMcG

WhisperingDandelions said:

Was most likely prevoited, but prevoited or not the best way to counter any potential phone stranger recording unease is recording the person back. It's literally turning the tables. Shout that you're live streaming now even if the phone's on the home page. Similar concept, quid pro quo, Clarice.

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That Silence of the Lambs reference... *Shudder*

That's actually not a bad idea though. Just record them back. Never would have thought of that.
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Reply #22 posted 04/10/23 4:13am

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ShellyMcG said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Was most likely prevoited, but prevoited or not the best way to counter any potential phone stranger recording unease is recording the person back. It's literally turning the tables. Shout that you're live streaming now even if the phone's on the home page. Similar concept, quid pro quo, Clarice.

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That Silence of the Lambs reference... *Shudder* That's actually not a bad idea though. Just record them back. Never would have thought of that.

Yeah and be all extra about it, like leave no question about what you're doing.


Saw some Twitter vid of a lady going off on some dude she thought was like an abductor. He was probably pervin', too, but anyway he scattered like a roach with the kitchen light when she turned on the live stream or record and announced it or whatever.

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Reply #23 posted 04/10/23 7:38am

ShellyMcG

WhisperingDandelions said:



ShellyMcG said:


WhisperingDandelions said:

Was most likely prevoited, but prevoited or not the best way to counter any potential phone stranger recording unease is recording the person back. It's literally turning the tables. Shout that you're live streaming now even if the phone's on the home page. Similar concept, quid pro quo, Clarice.


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That Silence of the Lambs reference... *Shudder* That's actually not a bad idea though. Just record them back. Never would have thought of that.

Yeah and be all extra about it, like leave no question about what you're doing.



Saw some Twitter vid of a lady going off on some dude she thought was like an abductor. He was probably pervin', too, but anyway he scattered like a roach with the kitchen light when she turned on the live stream or record and announced it or whatever.

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Thankfully, this has never happened to me and hopefully it never will. But it is genuinely getting to the stage now where I'm actually afraid to go out sometimes. I live in what would be considered a "nice" part of Dublin but I work in the city. Ever since lockdowns ended and people have gotten back to normal there's been a huge influx of absolute scumbags on the streets. Junkies everywhere. I can't get on the Luas (it's like a tram) without some junkie hounding me for money. I'm strongly considering just moving back home. If nothing else, at least the weather will be better.
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Reply #24 posted 04/20/23 12:12pm

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ShellyMcG said:

Thankfully, this has never happened to me and hopefully it never will. But it is genuinely getting to the stage now where I'm actually afraid to go out sometimes. I live in what would be considered a "nice" part of Dublin but I work in the city. Ever since lockdowns ended and people have gotten back to normal there's been a huge influx of absolute scumbags on the streets. Junkies everywhere. I can't get on the Luas (it's like a tram) without some junkie hounding me for money. I'm strongly considering just moving back home. If nothing else, at least the weather will be better.

Our city is seeing the exact same situation in public spaces.

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Reply #25 posted 04/21/23 10:57am

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ShellyMcG said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah and be all extra about it, like leave no question about what you're doing.


Saw some Twitter vid of a lady going off on some dude she thought was like an abductor. He was probably pervin', too, but anyway he scattered like a roach with the kitchen light when she turned on the live stream or record and announced it or whatever.

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Thankfully, this has never happened to me and hopefully it never will. But it is genuinely getting to the stage now where I'm actually afraid to go out sometimes. I live in what would be considered a "nice" part of Dublin but I work in the city. Ever since lockdowns ended and people have gotten back to normal there's been a huge influx of absolute scumbags on the streets. Junkies everywhere. I can't get on the Luas (it's like a tram) without some junkie hounding me for money. I'm strongly considering just moving back home. If nothing else, at least the weather will be better.

Sorry to hear that. Drugs just ruins everything. Where would "back home" be????

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Reply #26 posted 04/21/23 11:17am

ShellyMcG

kpowers said:



ShellyMcG said:


WhisperingDandelions said:


Yeah and be all extra about it, like leave no question about what you're doing.



Saw some Twitter vid of a lady going off on some dude she thought was like an abductor. He was probably pervin', too, but anyway he scattered like a roach with the kitchen light when she turned on the live stream or record and announced it or whatever.


[Edited 4/10/23 4:16am]



Thankfully, this has never happened to me and hopefully it never will. But it is genuinely getting to the stage now where I'm actually afraid to go out sometimes. I live in what would be considered a "nice" part of Dublin but I work in the city. Ever since lockdowns ended and people have gotten back to normal there's been a huge influx of absolute scumbags on the streets. Junkies everywhere. I can't get on the Luas (it's like a tram) without some junkie hounding me for money. I'm strongly considering just moving back home. If nothing else, at least the weather will be better.

Sorry to hear that. Drugs just ruins everything. Where would "back home" be????

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Australia. Sydney, specifically. I was technically born in Ireland but we moved to Sydney when I was very young. Despite being born here to two Irish parents, I don't really consider myself to be Irish.
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Reply #27 posted 04/22/23 3:46am

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ShellyMcG said:

kpowers said:

Sorry to hear that. Drugs just ruins everything. Where would "back home" be????

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Australia. Sydney, specifically. I was technically born in Ireland but we moved to Sydney when I was very young. Despite being born here to two Irish parents, I don't really consider myself to be Irish.

Your an Aussie

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Reply #28 posted 04/22/23 9:59am

ShellyMcG

kpowers said:



ShellyMcG said:


kpowers said:


Sorry to hear that. Drugs just ruins everything. Where would "back home" be????


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Australia. Sydney, specifically. I was technically born in Ireland but we moved to Sydney when I was very young. Despite being born here to two Irish parents, I don't really consider myself to be Irish.

Your an Aussie



I am. Much to my parents (especially my dad's) disappointment lol
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