PatrickS77 said:

ufoclub said:

PatrickS77 said:

Just wow. Then why the hell are you here? Why are you even watching Halloween if you think that? But that is today's audience. Those are the ones who think this movie is great. The ones who didn't get the original.

This film was like a dumb ass action movie with him standing off and killing an entire fire fighter squad. It's not scary, spooky, haunting, suspenseful, or anything substantial. It's like when a TV commercial uses a movie genre trope to have fun, or an SNL skit.

The idea that they are trying to promote it as a smart study of trauma passed on through multigenerational women, is like trying to polish a tiny spot clear on a shit splattered floor and say, "Here! This is the good part that we meant to make!"

People are settling for and even celebrating dumb stuff in many, many ways; politics and health being the most important victims of this trend.

At least movies aren't really important.

Hey, I have seen worse horror movies. I didn't even finish "Malignant". I finished watching "Halloween Kills"

I think the way this movie could be redeemed if it was in a crowded theater where everyone's cracking jokes and making fun of it.

"scary, spooky, haunting, suspenseful, or anything substantial..." These are the adjectives I'm looking for in a good horror flick.

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Well we are living in the reboot age. Honestly for me I would be 100% content if they stop making Halloween movies after Halloween 2 (1981)

Well, for me the somewhatmperfect ending point would have been H20.

Which means that they make Halloween part 5, no thank you . H20 was boring and adds nothing. Halloween 2 is the perfect way to end the series with it being the last movie to featured all of the 3 main characters (Michael Myers, Dr. Loomis and Laurie) and the involvement of creators John Carpenter and Debra Hill.

The kills were very sick.

Phase3 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Just wow. Then why the hell are you here? Why are you even watching Halloween if you think that? But that is today's audience. Those are the ones who think this movie is great. The ones who didn't get the original.

That is BS I get the original just find and still love the new one

I like the new one and the old one. I feel Michael kills are more realistic and brutal in these new versions though. No reason to burst a blood vessel over a comment. Homicide is nothing easy and quick as they seem to make it in early horror films speaking from someone who studies crime and works in law enforcement. If you do a scene like that I want it as realistic as possible with no cuts...these last two deliver on that.

paisleypark4 said:

Phase3 said:

PatrickS77 said: That is BS I get the original just find and still love the new one

I like the new one and the old one. I feel Michael kills are more realistic and brutal in these new versions though. No reason to burst a blood vessel over a comment. Homicide is nothing easy and quick as they seem to make it in early horror films speaking from someone who studies crime and works in law enforcement. If you do a scene like that I want it as realistic as possible with no cuts...these last two deliver on that.

See, I thought the opposite ... take the scene when Myes goes all action hero and takes out the firefighters early on. The firefighters all form a nicely orderly queue and go at him one at a time because, you know, movie logic ... can't have the firefighters going at him as a group as they would in real life, taking him down.

Myers then stabs one of them with some pole implement, and lifts them up off the ground right in to the air ... a 200lb firefighter ... balancing right on the end of a metal pole. And Michael is 65 years old.

Yeah, that's not my idea of realistic.

DaveT said:

paisleypark4 said:

I like the new one and the old one. I feel Michael kills are more realistic and brutal in these new versions though. No reason to burst a blood vessel over a comment. Homicide is nothing easy and quick as they seem to make it in early horror films speaking from someone who studies crime and works in law enforcement. If you do a scene like that I want it as realistic as possible with no cuts...these last two deliver on that.

See, I thought the opposite ... take the scene when Myes goes all action hero and takes out the firefighters early on. The firefighters all form a nicely orderly queue and go at him one at a time because, you know, movie logic ... can't have the firefighters going at him as a group as they would in real life, taking him down.

Myers then stabs one of them with some pole implement, and lifts them up off the ground right in to the air ... a 200lb firefighter ... balancing right on the end of a metal pole. And Michael is 65 years old.

Yeah, that's not my idea of realistic.

That's every Kung Fu movie ever made

I always wonder why in the credits who ever plays Michael Myers is listed as playing "the Shape". Nobody in the movie has ever called Michael Myers the Shape. They either call him Michael Myers or the Boogie Man

DaveT said:

I haven't seen it because we are cheap with the channel subscriptions but I really want to see it.

Speaking of Michael Myers, has anybody seen the video about the girl screaming "I love you Michael Myers"? It's hilarious.

automatic said:

DaveT said:

See, I thought the opposite ... take the scene when Myes goes all action hero and takes out the firefighters early on. The firefighters all form a nicely orderly queue and go at him one at a time because, you know, movie logic ... can't have the firefighters going at him as a group as they would in real life, taking him down.

Myers then stabs one of them with some pole implement, and lifts them up off the ground right in to the air ... a 200lb firefighter ... balancing right on the end of a metal pole. And Michael is 65 years old.

Yeah, that's not my idea of realistic.

Michael is supernatural now. At least that's what it looks like from the end mobs scene. John Carpenter himself has described the character in past interviews as "almost a supernatural force—a force of nature. An evil force that's loose," a force that is "unkillable. I know people want him to be just a man but even in the original film he's stabbed and shot 6 times and gets up and walks away. The more sequels that get made he'd have to be more than human. If it was just one movie you could say he walks away at the end but then dies from all his wounds.

He was supernatural in the original. That was the entire spooky vibe of it. The doctor kept harping on that throughout.

An action warrior however is not very scary or horrific to most people. It's just kind of stupid fun.

And they, in the recent movie, really lost the very specific look of the mask that was so cool in the first two movies made. They spiced it up and made it not very remarkable or scary. They made it typical. That's what they did with the whole damn movie. (You have the original cool looking mask in your profile icon.)

kpowers said:

kpowers said:

Phase3 said:

kpowers said:

Which means that they make Halloween part 5, no thank you . H20 was boring and adds nothing. Halloween 2 is the perfect way to end the series with it being the last movie to featured all of the 3 main characters (Michael Myers, Dr. Loomis and Laurie) and the involvement of creators John Carpenter and Debra Hill.

I would be fine with that but I will always have a soft spot for Halloween 4. I discovered Danielle Harris from it and it is not a bad film at all Me and my family member even quote some of the lines from it "Shit earl,its Ted Hollister" "You dumb sonofabitch,you said you saw Myers" [Edited 11/3/21 19:50pm]

Halloween 4 was good but they ruined it with part 5

DaveT said:

paisleypark4 said:

I like the new one and the old one. I feel Michael kills are more realistic and brutal in these new versions though. No reason to burst a blood vessel over a comment. Homicide is nothing easy and quick as they seem to make it in early horror films speaking from someone who studies crime and works in law enforcement. If you do a scene like that I want it as realistic as possible with no cuts...these last two deliver on that.

See, I thought the opposite ... take the scene when Myes goes all action hero and takes out the firefighters early on. The firefighters all form a nicely orderly queue and go at him one at a time because, you know, movie logic ... can't have the firefighters going at him as a group as they would in real life, taking him down.

Myers then stabs one of them with some pole implement, and lifts them up off the ground right in to the air ... a 200lb firefighter ... balancing right on the end of a metal pole. And Michael is 65 years old.

Yeah, that's not my idea of realistic.

I had it points down for that ending and that firefighter scene. IT was a little extra. I do agree with anopther post that Michael was superhuman with anger it seemed by the first film. He walked through gunshots all over his body...

Phase3 said:

kpowers said:

I always wonder why in the credits who ever plays Michael Myers is listed as playing "the Shape". Nobody in the movie has ever called Michael Myers the Shape. They either call him Michael Myers or the Boogie Man

Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

ufoclub said:

Phase3 said:

kpowers said: Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

Your Mom... I was in high school when the original Halloween came out. Great horror flick then...Now it is time for the Halloween fanchise to die!

purplethunder3121 said:

ufoclub said:

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

Your Mom... I was in high school when the original Halloween came out. Great horror flick then...Now it is time for the Halloween fanchise to die!

It will not due to the title alone, Friday the 13th as well will always "live" because they are based on dates.

ufoclub said:

Phase3 said:

kpowers said: Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

Interesting

ufoclub said:

Phase3 said:

kpowers said: Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

Have you read the novel? If so how was it? I was thinking about getting a copy but asking price is $350 and up.

kpowers said:

ufoclub said:

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

Have you read the novel? If so how was it? I was thinking about getting a copy but asking price is $350 and up.

It wasn't anything much that I remembered. But it did have a weird flashback to druidic rituals at the beginning, implying an origin of the supernatural aspect of Micheal Myers.

But I am remembering something I flipped though in 1979 or 1980.

kpowers said:

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said: Well, for me the somewhatmperfect ending point would have been H20.

Which means that they make Halloween part 5, no thank you . H20 was boring and adds nothing. Halloween 2 is the perfect way to end the series with it being the last movie to featured all of the 3 main characters (Michael Myers, Dr. Loomis and Laurie) and the involvement of creators John Carpenter and Debra Hill.

H4 is great

H20 is the better version of H18 (though I still hate them for discarding the series... well, I guess that goes for both movies)

H5 is better than Kills (stupid Man in Black aside)

ufoclub said:

Phase3 said:

kpowers said: Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

They call him "the shape" in the "Halloween" (1978) novelization from the original movie. I remember reading through it in Kmart while my mom shopped.

They called him "the shape" on set in 1978 and in the movie credits. Most likely to distinguish between the kid and the guy who played Michael and Nick Castle who played Michael with the mask on.

[Edited 11/4/21 14:41pm]

DaveT said:

paisleypark4 said:

I like the new one and the old one. I feel Michael kills are more realistic and brutal in these new versions though. No reason to burst a blood vessel over a comment. Homicide is nothing easy and quick as they seem to make it in early horror films speaking from someone who studies crime and works in law enforcement. If you do a scene like that I want it as realistic as possible with no cuts...these last two deliver on that.

See, I thought the opposite ... take the scene when Myes goes all action hero and takes out the firefighters early on. The firefighters all form a nicely orderly queue and go at him one at a time because, you know, movie logic ... can't have the firefighters going at him as a group as they would in real life, taking him down.

Myers then stabs one of them with some pole implement, and lifts them up off the ground right in to the air ... a 200lb firefighter ... balancing right on the end of a metal pole. And Michael is 65 years old.

Yeah, that's not my idea of realistic.

Yep. Ridiculous and over the top.

purplethunder3121 said:

ufoclub said:

This film was like a dumb ass action movie with him standing off and killing an entire fire fighter squad. It's not scary, spooky, haunting, suspenseful, or anything substantial. It's like when a TV commercial uses a movie genre trope to have fun, or an SNL skit.

The idea that they are trying to promote it as a smart study of trauma passed on through multigenerational women, is like trying to polish a tiny spot clear on a shit splattered floor and say, "Here! This is the good part that we meant to make!"

People are settling for and even celebrating dumb stuff in many, many ways; politics and health being the most important victims of this trend.

At least movies aren't really important.

Hey, I have seen worse horror movies. I didn't even finish "Malignant". I finished watching "Halloween Kills"

I think the way this movie could be redeemed if it was in a crowded theater where everyone's cracking jokes and making fun of it.

"scary, spooky, haunting, suspenseful, or anything substantial..." These are the adjectives I'm looking for in a good horror flick.

Yeah. And it is neither. It's just shit riddled with ridiculous characters.

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Which means that they make Halloween part 5, no thank you . H20 was boring and adds nothing. Halloween 2 is the perfect way to end the series with it being the last movie to featured all of the 3 main characters (Michael Myers, Dr. Loomis and Laurie) and the involvement of creators John Carpenter and Debra Hill.

H4 is great

H20 is the better version of H18 (though I still hate them for discarding the series... well, I guess that goes for both movies)

H5 is better than Kills (stupid Man in Black aside)

H20 is boring. No suspence what so ever. The movie really does miss the the Dr. Loomis character. Too many people survie in this movie (Michael getting soft on us???) . What the security guard doesn't killed in a slasher movie??? Oh wait it's LL Cool J, can't kill him off for some reason, and it's not like he comes back for the next movie. Everything about the movie started off good (explaining Laurie Strode faked her death, isolated school). But Michael show up and pretty much nothing happens. Damn at least add a grounds keeper since you don't want to kill off LL Cool J. H20 is better than about half of the other Halloween movies.

ufoclub said:

kpowers said:

Have you read the novel? If so how was it? I was thinking about getting a copy but asking price is $350 and up.

It wasn't anything much that I remembered. But it did have a weird flashback to druidic rituals at the beginning, implying an origin of the supernatural aspect of Micheal Myers.

But I am remembering something I flipped though in 1979 or 1980.

You still have the book??? Apparently it's worth a lot of money even in a crappy condition.

Phase3 said:

kpowers said:

I always wonder why in the credits who ever plays Michael Myers is listed as playing "the Shape". Nobody in the movie has ever called Michael Myers the Shape. They either call him Michael Myers or the Boogie Man

Laurie strode refers to him as being the shape in the 2018 Halloween film It's the scene when Laurie shows up late for when the family goes out to eat and she drinks a lot of wine I always thought that Michael myers becomes the shape when he pits the mask on

Ok yup you are right, missed that. Though it feels forced though. It's like I would be asking her "what are you talking about". Took them 40 years to mention it in a movie.