Phase3 said:

I am a hardcote fan of the halloween series.Seen them all countless times. I rate Rob zombies halloween 2 and halloween 5 as the worst of the series Is the new one,halloween kills,worst than those 2?

I 100% agree with that. I would also put Halloween Resurrection as one the worse. I mean they cast Busta Ryhmes in it, WTF?????? I hate the Rob Zombie movies so much and I don't even count them at all. I really do think Halloween 2018 and Halloween Kills are the best Halloween movies with Jamie Lee Curtis in it since she left after Halloween 2. Halloween H20 was boring and Halloween Resurrection was big pile of shit covered with diarrhea.

DaveT said:

Its better than Halloween (2018) but its still a failed movie to me. Too long, too depressing (the hospital mob stuff), too few likeble characters, too much cringey dialogue, and Myers is not the efficient creepy killer he was in 1978 and 1981.

Besides not acknowledging the events that take place in Halloween 2, I didn't care for the mob stuff as well. But I do like the movie, but Halloween 1 & 2 are the best.

2freaky4church1 said:

Let me guess, Michael Myers lives.

I Hope part 3 takes place in Cincinnati

kpowers said:

DaveT said:

Its better than Halloween (2018) but its still a failed movie to me. Too long, too depressing (the hospital mob stuff), too few likeble characters, too much cringey dialogue, and Myers is not the efficient creepy killer he was in 1978 and 1981.

Besides not acknowledging the events that take place in Halloween 2, I didn't care for the mob stuff as well. But I do like the movie, but Halloween 1 & 2 are the best.

1, 2, 4 and H20 are the best. 5 is alright. 6 and 8 are crap. And H18 and Kills are some/different kind of crap too. H18 has a crappy story, held together by unbelievable coincidences with unlikable and annoying characters, HK has a slightly better story, but unbelievable stupid characters with equally stupid decision making on their part. And both movies are pretty much for brain dead people, who know nothing about the original Halloween, as these movies really are nothing like that, don't care for story and details and just get off on gore. Halloween is not about gore. As for the Zombie Halloweens, like I said before here and there, they are not really Halloween, just a Michael Myers like character transported into a Rob Zombie universe, with the same kind of characters that inhabit all his films. I hate the white trash aspect he inserted into those movies, but overlooking that, the prequel part of his first one is quite alright, the movie falls apart though in the remake part, as it really makes no sense, as Michael is not following and stalking anyone and just teleports to whereever the script wants him to be. Zombie's second one is the more ambitious and better of the two, as Zombie really made it his own and even broke further away from Halloween and created a far more interesting film, for what it's worth. It's bleak, but that happens to someone who goes through something like Laurie did.

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kitbradley said:

It was okay. I have put more energy into killing a fly in my house than they did trying to kill Michael in this movie.

Yeah. That was painful to watch. And not in the way painful it was supposed to be. Painfully idiotic of them.

PatrickS77 said:

kitbradley said:

It was okay. I have put more energy into killing a fly in my house than they did trying to kill Michael in this movie.

Yeah. That was painful to watch. And not in the way painful it was supposed to be. Painfully idiotic of them.

Oh, geez...

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Besides not acknowledging the events that take place in Halloween 2, I didn't care for the mob stuff as well. But I do like the movie, but Halloween 1 & 2 are the best.

1, 2, 4 and H20 are the best. 5 is alright. 6 and 8 are crap. And H18 and Kills are some/different kind of crap too. H18 has a crappy story, held together by unbelievable coincidences with unlikable and annoying characters, HK has a slightly better story, but unbelievable stupid characters with equally stupid decision making on their part. And both movies are pretty much for brain dead people, who know nothing about the original Halloween, as these movies really are nothing like that, don't care for story and details and just get off on gore. Halloween is not about gore. As for the Zombie Halloweens, like I said before here and there, they are not really Halloween, just a Michael Myers like character transported into a Rob Zombie universe, with the same kind of characters that inhabit all his films. I hate the white trash aspect he inserted into those movies, but overlooking that, the prequel part of his first one is quite already, the movie falls apart though in the remake part, as it really makes no sense, as Michael is not following and stalking anyone and just teleports to whereever the script wants him to be. Zombie's second one is the more ambitious and better of the too, as Zombie really made it his own and even broke further away from Halloween and created a far more interesting film, for what it's worth. It's bleak, but that happens, to someone who goes through something like Laurie did.

Halloween 5 and Halloween Resurrection (part 8) are total crap. Halloween part 6 Curse of Micael Myers is ok, kinda forgettable. They try to hard to explain Michael Myers back story and some kind of cult thing. H20 is boring, ok at best, kinda disappointing movie return for Jaimie Lee Curtis return to the Halloween projects. Part 3 is good in it's own way. I call it Season of the Witch and not really a "Halloween" movie. Speaking of not really being a Halloween movie are the Rob Zombie fake movies. I'm sad to say I saw both movies, . If Rob Zombie plans on making another movie I will pass. Halloween part 4 was pretty good, even without the Laurie Strode character. Stating that Laurie died in part 4 could of seen Laurie returning to the Halloween movies by saying she faked her death, like they said in H20. Part 5 just fucked up where part 4 left off. The new Halloween trilogy are pretty good. Halloween 2018 was kinda slow but since it's a part of a trilogy I guess that's ok since it's setting things up. Like I said before the 2 things I don't like about the new trilogy is not acknowledging the timeline of part 2 and the mob scene. Honestly I wish the mob scenes would have been deleted scenes for the blu-ray release. I do like all the new scenes with Dr. Loomis in Halloween Kills, guessing CGI which looked pretty believable. Kinda felt bad for all the fire fighters getting killed by Michael Myers.

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Michael Myers needs AARP

2freaky4church1 said:

Michael Myers needs AARP

He will just end up killing his agent

What a shitty movie.

2freaky4church1 said:

What a shitty movie.

Bet you never seen it

Wow I'm shocked. I thought they did some CGI effects for the Dr. Loomis character for Halloween Kills movie. Turns out they just hired an actor, Tom Jones Jr., who looks just like him. For the voice they hired Colin Mahan who also sounds exactly like the Dr. Loomis. Well done

Michael Myers should kill Rothlessburger.

Phase3 said:

So for those who say this new movie isn't good,why is that?? Is it because you can't handle the gory kills? I have watched it 3 times in the past week and it gets better every time

Because the story is bullshit. The characters in the movie are idiotic. Nothing that happens rings really true. And while the gore is not a problem, the original movie never was about gore, quite to the contrary. I feel like all people see is the gore and therefore they like it, but don't realize how piss poor the story is and what a departure from what Halloween originally was about it is.

[Edited 11/1/21 14:56pm]

PatrickS77 said:

Phase3 said:

So for those who say this new movie isn't good,why is that?? Is it because you can't handle the gory kills? I have watched it 3 times in the past week and it gets better every time

Because the story is bullshit. The characters in the movie are idiotic. Nothing that happens rings really true. And while the gore is not a problem, the original movie never was about gore, quite to the contrary. I feel like all people see is the gore and therefore they like it, but don't realize how piss poor the story is and what a departure from what Halloween originally was about it is.

[Edited 11/1/21 14:56pm]

Agreed. This movie was a piece of shit. It seemed like it was written by Danny McBride on a napkin in a bar and they filmed right off the napkins.

ufoclub said:

PatrickS77 said:

Because the story is bullshit. The characters in the movie are idiotic. Nothing that happens rings really true. And while the gore is not a problem, the original movie never was about gore, quite to the contrary. I feel like all people see is the gore and therefore they like it, but don't realize how piss poor the story is and what a departure from what Halloween originally was about it is.

[Edited 11/1/21 14:56pm]

Agreed. This movie was a piece of shit. It seemed like it was written by Danny McBride on a napkin in a bar and they filmed right off the napkins.

LOL! Exactly!

PatrickS77 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Michael Myers should kill Rothlessburger.

Kinda like how Ben Roethlisberger killed the hopes and dreams of all Bungals fans over the past 17 years

Phase3 said:

So for those who say this new movie isn't good,why is that?? Is it because you can't handle the gory kills? I have watched it 3 times in the past week and it gets better every time

Simplest explanation is to sit the film along side Halloween (1978), the movie director David Gordon Green said they were going back to in terms of style, scares, and atmosphere (either a lie or DGG has no idea what makes 1978 great).

Gore is no problem; if I'm in the mood for that I'll glady reach for something from that end of the horror spectrum. I've not even got that much of an issue with it in a Halloween film if its done right. The problem with Halloween Kills is tone and script.

As Kim Newman has said "People make the mistake with Halloween 78 of thinking its Michael's picture; its not, its Laurie's. That film works because the audience love her". So who are we meant to be rooting for in Halloween Kills? Laurie is no longer a fun person to be around because of her paranoia, nagging, and penchant for (woefully written) monologues. Her daughter and granddaughter are pretty empty characters, not especially likeable. So who does that leave? Who are the characters we're meant to love who we're scared for (and thus scared ourselves)?

The remaining characters were unlikeable and dumb. Of course, slashers are chock full of dumb characters, but they're usually likeable and their stupid decisions carry a sense of non-consequential fun. That's not the case in Kills; the dumb choices are big plot points which force the plot in the direction Green wants it to go, against logic; for example, when the residents could easily kill Myers at the end but don't for reasons no one can fathom, or when the police just randomly decide to stop doing the job of the police half way through the film.

Worst for me, I tune in to a Halloween movie for a fun time, but Kills was just depressing. That middle section where they hound that poor elderly chap to the point of suicide because they think he's Myers (which is stupd in itself - he's half the size and looks nothing like Myers in the face, and the resident know Myers' face as it was shown on the news), was unnecessary and sad. What has it got to do Myers and Laurie and October 31st? And the mob thing was done already in Halloween 4 (still not particularly well, but better than this) so its not even a fresh new idea.

And they make all this fuss about bringing JLC back and then she has no bearing at all on the plot of the film. Take JLC out of Kills and it would make no difference at all to the film.

Eugh *sigh*

AvocadosMax said:

ummmmmm well i don't think it's as bad as critics are saying (on rotten tomatoes, they have it 42% as of right now)

i'm fresh from seeing it, i'd say it's more of a 6.5-7/10 ish

if you're a fan of the franchise, i'd say you'd be pleased... it'll feel like they're mainly setting up for Halloween Ends (which is suppose to be the end of this trilogy which comes out next year)

if you love gore, you're gonna love this movie. it's like Michael Myers dialed up to 11. like, he's pissed off and ruthless and as brutal as he's never quite been before. (if you recall the 2018 movie where he curb stomps that doctor.... think of that but like the whole movie)

and i'm not into gore-y stuff... i mainly became a fan of Halloween movies because they were suspenseful.... so i had to try to put my hand in the way because i don't like that stuff because then i start thinking "this shit could happen to a living being, someone i love, in real life..." but i admire the makeup and effects that went into all of that.

and the opening scene.... very cool. you'll love it

i liked the 2018 movie better tho overall. I hope Halloween Ends is terrific to make up for this just being ok for me

I agree with this.

I enjoyed this 'third' envisioning of Michael Meyers storyline where the previous victims are back to take control of their town. Also, pleasing was Laurie's and police officers stories being told as well from their perspectives. The only thing I didnt like was the eye rolling end, where the people in town didnt really try hard enough to get rid of him knowing all they did.

The original had Michael being secretive and odd. Walking slowly and still ...I am glad there was none of that b.s. in here...he was just ruthless and realistic in macarbe. He did not give anyone a chance to talk, trip over everything and be goofy.

[Edited 11/2/21 9:40am]

In some ways Halloween Kills is kinda following Halloween 2 (1981). Both movies features a hospital. Both movies the kills are higher in the sequel (though Halloween Kills wins by a landslide). Both movies features the older couple living next door. In Halloween 2 (1981) the older man is sleeping watching TV while the older lady screams when Michael Myers leaves a blood stain after stealing a knife. In Halloween Kills he straight up kills them.

kpowers said:

In some ways Halloween Kills is kinda following Halloween 2 (1981). Both movies features a hospital. Both movies the kills are higher in the sequel (though Halloween Kills wins by a landslide). Both movies features the older couple living next door. In Halloween 2 (1981) the older man is sleeping watching TV while the older lady screams when Michael Myers leaves a blood stain after stealing a knife. In Halloween Kills he straight up kills them.

OH you are so right. Did not put 2 and 2 together

DaveT said:

Phase3 said:

So for those who say this new movie isn't good,why is that?? Is it because you can't handle the gory kills? I have watched it 3 times in the past week and it gets better every time

Simplest explanation is to sit the film along side Halloween (1978), the movie director David Gordon Green said they were going back to in terms of style, scares, and atmosphere (either a lie or DGG has no idea what makes 1978 great).

Gore is no problem; if I'm in the mood for that I'll glady reach for something from that end of the horror spectrum. I've not even got that much of an issue with it in a Halloween film if its done right. The problem with Halloween Kills is tone and script.

As Kim Newman has said "People make the mistake with Halloween 78 of thinking its Michael's picture; its not, its Laurie's. That film works because the audience love her". So who are we meant to be rooting for in Halloween Kills? Laurie is no longer a fun person to be around because of her paranoia, nagging, and penchant for (woefully written) monologues. Her daughter and granddaughter are pretty empty characters, not especially likeable. So who does that leave? Who are the characters we're meant to love who we're scared for (and thus scared ourselves)?

The remaining characters were unlikeable and dumb. Of course, slashers are chock full of dumb characters, but they're usually likeable and their stupid decisions carry a sense of non-consequential fun. That's not the case in Kills; the dumb choices are big plot points which force the plot in the direction Green wants it to go, against logic; for example, when the residents could easily kill Myers at the end but don't for reasons no one can fathom, or when the police just randomly decide to stop doing the job of the police half way through the film.

Worst for me, I tune in to a Halloween movie for a fun time, but Kills was just depressing. That middle section where they hound that poor elderly chap to the point of suicide because they think he's Myers (which is stupd in itself - he's half the size and looks nothing like Myers in the face, and the resident know Myers' face as it was shown on the news), was unnecessary and sad. What has it got to do Myers and Laurie and October 31st? And the mob thing was done already in Halloween 4 (still not particularly well, but better than this) so its not even a fresh new idea.

And they make all this fuss about bringing JLC back and then she has no bearing at all on the plot of the film. Take JLC out of Kills and it would make no difference at all to the film.

Eugh *sigh*

Spot on.

kpowers said:

In some ways Halloween Kills is kinda following Halloween 2 (1981). Both movies features a hospital. Both movies the kills are higher in the sequel (though Halloween Kills wins by a landslide). Both movies features the older couple living next door. In Halloween 2 (1981) the older man is sleeping watching TV while the older lady screams when Michael Myers leaves a blood stain after stealing a knife. In Halloween Kills he straight up kills them.

What's the point in retreating and retreading old storylines?? They kinda did the same in the last one. If you decide to discard a series that has been going on for 2+ decades at least be creative enough to come up with something new.

paisleypark4 said:

The original had Michael being secretive and odd. Walking slowly and still ...I am glad there was none of that b.s. in here...

Just wow. Then why the hell are you here? Why are you even watching Halloween if you think that? But that is today's audience. Those are the ones who think this movie is great. The ones who didn't get the original.

PatrickS77 said:

paisleypark4 said:

The original had Michael being secretive and odd. Walking slowly and still ...I am glad there was none of that b.s. in here...

Just wow. Then why the hell are you here? Why are you even watching Halloween if you think that? But that is today's audience. Those are the ones who think this movie is great. The ones who didn't get the original.

This film was like a dumb ass action movie with him standing off and killing an entire fire fighter squad. It's not scary, spooky, haunting, suspenseful, or anything substantial. It's like when a TV commercial uses a movie genre trope to have fun, or an SNL skit.

The idea that they are trying to promote it as a smart study of trauma passed on through multigenerational women, is like trying to polish a tiny spot clear on a shit splattered floor and say, "Here! This is the good part that we meant to make!"

People are settling for and even celebrating dumb stuff in many, many ways; politics and health being the most important victims of this trend.

At least movies aren't really important.

Hey, I have seen worse horror movies. I didn't even finish "Malignant". I finished watching "Halloween Kills"

I think the way this movie could be redeemed if it was in a crowded theater where everyone's cracking jokes and making fun of it.